ORIGINAL: RSR
ChrisW. Sorry for the delay in responding, but this is the first time I've had chance to look at the forums since my lats post. I've been very very busy with work. Appologies if my post read as a condemnation of your car it was not intended as such. I had a feeling it was indeed the car I looked at. You seem to have confirmed that. The reason for my post was because you implied its not been damaged but merely repainted. This is not the case. Your statement then meant that Julian held back the full truth when you bought it from him or if he told you the truth then I'm not sure why you said what you did.
First of all I'd like to say that I'm not your usual dealer. My small niche business has grown from my love of the 90's RS and GT cars and I buy cars with my own money which I like. Because I pay my daily bills from a nice lucrative professional career I have no pressure to sell cars. This allows me to tell people exactly what they are buying. For example if I buy a damaged car I tell people exactly what they are buying so they are never disappointed in the future. I'm not a salesman I'm an enthusiast who has personally stripped and rebuilt 964RS / 993RS cars and know them inside out. In addition to this my bodyshop man is the best in the business and having spent a long time with him and been fortunate enough to own mega timewarp museum pieces I have good knowledge of how they left the factory and what body repairs signs to look for, etc, etc. In fact a current project I am working on is a genuine 964 RSR factory racer with very good race provenance. It arrived last week and is already completely stripped to a total bare shell to be freshly rebuilt to concors condition.
I'm not bragging but just wanted to clarify my position. Regarding 964 RS's no I don't only buy accident free cars. This is very hard these days. Truely original paint cars even more impossible, there are not plenty around! I did travel up north to see this car in the spring time for the RS trackday at Oulton Park. I was absolutely assured over the phone that it was genuinely accident free, etc, etc, (every seller tells me this) and we agreed £35k for the car on its original mags that I was also told were fresh. £35k was a lot for me to pay for it but I thought if its accident free then I'm happy to be able to offer the best cars for sale so I went up with a draft in hand. I was disappointed to say the least. That does not mean its a bad car, for me it basically makes a price difference. The bottom line is even after all the money spent with Autofarm, full repaint etc, I could see the left front wing had been replaced, door / door skin, and rework with filler for the rear wing. Everything else was in order and it drove very well. The deal fell through because Julian basically still wanted £35k. I'd just sold a car that week with only 1 front wing replaced and no other damage for £35k with warranty, etc. The deal made no sense for me anymore. IMPORTANT! I would have still bought the car if we could have agreed a new price.
I am happy to show you around the car from my perspective to clarify my points about it. There's at least one other member of this forum that looked at the car and saw the same things as me, but he wanted an original panel car and finally found what he wanted.
Paul, I really appreciate your reply, thankyou.
Like you I am a total car nut. Like you I have taken the trouble to learn what I could about how to read the histoy of a car from the way in which it presents and the paperwork.
Unlike you I have only looked at tens of 964RS really closely --- you will have looked at far more.
But I also read people --- and the one thing Julian never needed to do with me, is lie. I wanted it as a track day car. I paid a track day car price.
But I did check the background very carefully and the Autofarm reports are very detailed, all the work having been done by Mikey.
As explained, Mikey saw no evidence of work other than that which they were to repair, the only panel shown is a nearside door panel, and in fact, both front wing tag welds have been released by Autofarm at the front scuttle in order they said to correctly paint the wings and refit the trims to new spec. By my reckoning therefore, both front wings are original --- certainly the bonnet has the original build number stamped into it (as does the engine cover).
As regards the rear wing, again there is no evidence to suggest damage --- all the welds are perfect along the rear valance and down the seam. There is no visible evidence from inside the wing (Track Torque could see nothing when they did the tracking) and I have had a magnet all across it and can see no evidence of any damage whatsoever.
So, it's either an incredible repair (?), or it's pristine.
Of couse the full body paint is both a plus and a minus --- but Julian went to great lengths both in his choice of Autofarm and in the freedom he gave them to make it look like new.
Anybody wish to add anything else to this ?
Paul, I would love you to show me round the car, but there is quite a distance between us. Ever learning !
Do you often venture North ? I can make a reason to venture South !
Thanks again, Chris.
P.S. Looking at the opener to this thread in April, two cars had just been sold on Pistonheads at £38k and £40 k ? (they may have SOLD for less ...)
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