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The answer for RMS problems?

If it helps I have 'nicked' this off the PCA Forum -

The 997 engine is an evolution of the 996 engine. I have to believe it will incorporate fixes for the RMS problem, the porosity problems, the cylinder liner coming loose failures, and so on. The S engine will be the same evolution engine but with increased displacement and associated tuning. It may have additional reliability reserves; it will be interesting to see when & how it finally comes.

Perhaps it will be subject of a greater explanation in the long awaited answer from PGB which must surely be due anytime now[:mad:]
 
Perhaps it will be subject of a greater explanation in the long awaited answer from PGB which must surely be due anytime now

Porsche Cars have indicated there will be no detailed statement on the matter at present, something to do with limiting their liability. I will be writing the "results" up sometime after the Festival has been completed.

We have to carry on as we are doing, lobbying Porsche at every opportunity.

They HAVE expressed a positive response to the detailed RMS Survey presentation I made for them and I believe were passing it back up the chain (so there goes my VIP treatment at the factory!)
 
Peter, thanks for the support. Good idea about getting an independent to stand on the side while they do it. I will have a go at bringing Phil in from Tech9. But last time I asked if I could watch them remove the RMS from my engine they blankly refused.

Nicd, Sorry I missed something here. PCGB haven't helped me at all. I mean, I mentioned the Survey and PCGB and all but they just laughed it off. I am in exactly the same position as I was before. Still have a hosed RMS and gearbox. The only thing I seem to have gained at the moment is the cost of yet another RMS replacement and 50% of the cost of a new gearbox. Which btw is goind to cost me £3,300. That is it should be £6,600. But then I argued that this should be done
at no cost because they have replaced umpteen numbers of them and it's still not right so it's their fault now not mine.
They have owned up to it being their fault. They even said the other RMS's were not put in correctly using the special tool. So that's why they have waivered the labour to fix it agin (supposedly) So, PCGB have'nt helped. But the results ars still not out yet so how did you think I could have benefited from pcgb?

Nic, I hope you don't take this personally as I don't wish to be offensive and I am appreciative for all that you have been doing with this RMS problem for us, the survey and all, but you sure sound like you have made your mind up on whos side you want to be on. I hope I am wrong. I wonder if it is because the club is concerned that it may cause some friction with Porsche UK or that the club is concerned of loosing some sort of earned raport with Porsche? I would hope that this is a peoples club that we all payed hard earned, tax payed fees for a membership. I may be new here but one thing is for certain, I would expect the club to stand by its membership well before it stood behind Porsche GB. I would even go so far to say that once this survey is published, if it shows as expected that this RMS problem is of major concern to club members whos cars may be affected by it, the club should do "all" in its power to have the issue solved. The club should make a stand publically and demand a resolution. I for one will take this to the highest level if I don't get a positive result very soon. My intention is to take it to the media (BBC watchdog, Magazines, Top Gear and more), the courts including if necessary the European courts. I would hope that if and when I have to go this way that PCGB will be there to stand by me if I need to call upon it to speak up.

Porsche Cars have indicated there will be no detailed statement on the matter at present, something to do with limiting their liability.

There they go. Just like any other self centered corporation. They don't give a damn about its customers. Just making
lots of money is all they care about. Keep the shareholders happy. All the profits they have published, you would think they would inject some back into its customer base [:mad:]

There's a lot I have learned in this and the many other forum threads i have taken part in in regards to the 996
RMS and engine problem: IMHO the days of Porsche being an elite race track going sports car are numbered.
From this thread alone we have learned that the 996 is not a true 911, that is, it was never designed for the track. OK,
yes, the GT2/3 maybe but the stock 996 engine can't do it. Then there's all these RMS and engine problems and all
these loyal Porsche owners Sh*ting their pants worrying about their cars. Then there's the known fact that
Porsche UK won't stand by its product. Finally, Porsche have moved into the mass market with Cayenne's
and tacky clocks in the cockpit in the 997. To be honest I think they have lost the plot. I sat in my wife's
car today behind a Ferrari. It struck me that for most of us the dream car is either a Porsche or
a Ferrari. The rarri is just ludicrously expensive to run but at least it's retained its eliteness and it is a true
sports car. The 996/997 I think are the end of the road for Porsche as we knew it. The last true 911 was indeed the 993.
The 996 has lost all its apeal, hence the plumeting residuals. My 996 is drop dead gorgious like everyone elses
but underneath it's an unreliable heap of junk waiting to suck my bank account dry. I am coming down to the
Festival in it and I got a place on the register stand. I just hope it gets me there......see this is the thing I am talking about,
I am going to a big Porsche event in my late model Porsche but I just don't trust that it will get me there.

Safe jeorney to everyone whos heading there anyway. SHould be a great event. I am soooooo looking forward to it.
Cheers
 
Is there no standing ovation icon? Bernie, I hope you have a safe journey, godspeed my friend, and keep it up - it's inspiring and I hope you get your just reward in the end.

Gary
 
Berney,

Not sure how you got that idea from Nic's post. I can read it with the frustration and exasperation I know Nic will be feeling.
Maybe it takes meeting someone to realise the nuances in thier posts?

I hope you get things sorted as well. and that you have a good trip to Brands (and back[:D])

M
 
ORIGINAL: NicD

Porsche Cars have indicated there will be no detailed statement on the matter at present, something to do with limiting their liability. I will be writing the "results" up sometime after the Festival has been completed.

Nic

Correct me if I am wrong but at your recent Board meeting you are shown as reporting that

"a report that was tabled at the recent meeting with G Turral at Porsche Cars GB, that GT had been impressed by the survey work although the results are higher than his experience and that you had asked for a technical response.

You are now saying that your request for a technical response has been binned by Porsche - when was that said and by whom and what are you planning to take back to the Board as OUR next step.

Can I also assume that your tabled report to Porsche together with OUR survey results will also be included within the "results" after the festival or is there another wait for some reason?

I expected to get the run around from Porsche but I get the feeling that all within our own Club is not as transparent as I would have hoped for or is that just the feeling of mine?

I hope that all goes well at the Festival for everyone and that there turns out to be enough room on the track on Monday[:D].
 
Keep the shareholders happy

Public company - first priority. Always.

Not sure how you got that idea from Nic's post. I can read it with the frustration and exasperation I know Nic will be feeling.
Maybe it takes meeting someone to realise the nuances in thier posts?

I agree with Mark on this. Nic strikes me as a careful person, with the members best interest at heart.
 
Berny

You might like to know that Phil at Tech-9 managed to source me a rebuilt gearbox for my MY'99 C4 via his contacts at Porsche Motorsport in Germany. This after my 'box fell apart at 66000 miles - Porsche engineering at is finest - NOT! Cost me £2500 + VAT (one helluva pain but a huge improvement on a new 'box at £5500) and works a treat. My local Porsche specialist in Manchester (R&D Motorsport) removed my old 'box and installed the recon for about £400 including doing some other bits and pieces for me.

Tech-9 said they can usually get recon boxes quickly - mine was delivered in 2 days.

Definitely worth a call!
 
So its now September and have PGB got anything to say with re. to the RMS issue or do we have to continue to wait??
 
I have had the second meeting with Porsche Cars and NO break through, I am afraid - I have already reported this on the Forum.

I see no chance to make further progress at the moment, for all the reasons that have been speculated. I will write up the results and publish when I have time, things have been pretty hectic lately.

Porsche Cars position is, each case will be dealt with on its merits, this means that owners have to advance their own cause, and perseverance will be important. They have not made any statement on the issue, except for "each case will be dealt with on its merits". I suspect they may have softened a little their position on goodwill, but this is a feeling only.

I recommend taking out the extended warranty, as this includes "get you home" cover, as well as major items and oil leaks. I will be doing this myself when the Boxster S warranty runs out shortly. Shame, but what else to say? Remember, whatever the value today, these were expensive cars new, and parts and repairs are commensurate.

I am sad at this outcome having fought hard in the members interests, but I have to recognise commercial realities. Any member who thinks the Club is not being transparent enough is welcome to that opinion, but from where I stand, the world is more complicated than simply publishing all and sundry on the Forum. Note, I WILL be publishing the survey results.
 
ORIGINAL: NicD

I have had the second meeting with Porsche Cars and NO break through, I am afraid

I am sad at this outcome having fought hard in the members interests, but I have to recognise commercial realities.

Nic many thanks for your time and efforts on behalf of all those with an interest, shame the mystery behind the exact cause and satisfactory cure still remain somewhat blurred [&o] Enjoy whats left of summer 2004 ... Robert
 
A real shame.
But I can understand it from Porsches point of view. (No matter how unpalletable that is[:mad:]).
Why should they come out and admit to there being a problem?
If they keep thier mouths shut, then 90% of the people will pay up, 10% will argue, and "be dealt with on their own merits", meaning some will get a contribution.
If they say that "oh yes, RMS leaks are a problem" they are going to get everyone pile in with a claim for a new engine (who wouldn't?).

As I said, not good news. Not the news people wanted to hear (I'm sure[:D]) but an understandable stance from a big company (sales of which go mostly to non-members/enthusiasts, and therefore who don't really care).

Anyone want to be moderator for the next month? I'm not looking forward to this...[&:]
 
ORIGINAL: NicD

Any member who thinks the Club is not being transparent enough is welcome to that opinion,

Nic

My hand is one of those raised at the moment - I will however make a final judgement following receipt of your notes, survey results and minutes etc from your meeting with Porsche.
 
My hand is one of those raised at the moment - I will however make a final judgement following receipt of your notes, survey results and minutes etc from your meeting with Porsche.


Nigel,

I will be writing up a summary, that is all. I somehow get the impression you expect the Club to mount a class action legal case, but this has never been even on the horizon.
 
Looks like this angle has been exhausted now, and current owners are left out on a limb for a design fault.........Watchdog anyone?

I would imagine a public campaign like that Land Rover suffered would raise the profile to the general public, and publicise the facts to those who havent been 'informed' enough and probably paid out handsomely for what should have been a Porsche recallfix?

Also it wouldnt do the 997987 publicity and marketing any favours as these will invariably suffer the same fate as the current crop of engines
 
Nigel,

Bear in mind that the club is a club. Nic doesn't get paid to do what he does. He does what he does because he loves the car, has got a lot out of the club over the years, and is eager to contribute and give something back. This does not mean he is at your beck and call, nor answerable to demands from you.
I'm sure the information will be provided, but no need to be so flat rude with your request (that's the way it comes over...)
 
Firstly I have to thank Nic for is efforts.

I have to say that while I understand the position of PorscheGB, its not one that other countries adopt. PCNA for example are very understanding of the problem and replace even out of warranty cars. The whole notion that "every case is delt on its individual merits" is a whole load of tosh. PGB customer services have publicised that any car over 5 years should not expect a good will of more than £250! Does this mean that PGB on all Porsches over 5 years are willing to issue a health warning?

"Owning this car may seriously affect you bank balance and or your sanity as it contains design flaws that may or may not affect the engine"

I am sorry but I just wait for the PCGB results to be published as i know where i will be taking out a full page add.
 
Want to add my two-penneth, and sorry in advance if I upset anybody (actually I don´t really care too much - I have seen this namby pamby attitude for too long in the UK which is why I deserted and went to live in the sun).

This is a clear case of unequal treatment; just look at the way PCA treat its customers compared to how you guys are being treated in the UK. This is NOT acceptable, nor should it be the case anywhere in the world - if there is an inherent design problem (this may take some proving in court but hey there´s always a risk involved) thenthe car should be subject to either a) a factory recall to fix (probably not possible) or b) a lifetime guaruntee extension on the RMS

I have just taken delivery of a brand new C4S, and if my RMS shows any sign of leakage I will be going public immediately. Lets get off the fence and go find some expert help to get Porsche in court and admit liability or for them to settle and extend the warranty on this faulty part.

I am personally prepared to put up 1,000 pounds to get the ball rolling, if others will match then we can set a target of 50,000 (for instance) to get a barrister on board and I am sure Top Gear etc will be very interested !!!!!

Time to stop pussy footing about and lets see some action and money where the mouths are !!!!! If you are not prepared to contribute then stop moaning and accept Porsche´s corporate response and be damned.
 

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