TiAL Wastegate group buy
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ITS HERE... YES
I dont want to put it on the car, looks absolutly lovely.
I am surprised how heavy it is, will have to try and fabricate some sort of bracket to support it, i am not sure about having something that heavy just clamped to the exhaust...
Oh I am not feeling too great, might have to be off work tomorrow!! [
] Will resist till the weekend, give me a chance to get a uni joint for the 13mm socket.
Wow does it look good.
Just need to figure out how to sneak it into the house!!
I dont want to put it on the car, looks absolutly lovely.
I am surprised how heavy it is, will have to try and fabricate some sort of bracket to support it, i am not sure about having something that heavy just clamped to the exhaust...
Oh I am not feeling too great, might have to be off work tomorrow!! [
] Will resist till the weekend, give me a chance to get a uni joint for the 13mm socket.Wow does it look good.
Just need to figure out how to sneak it into the house!!
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Good stuff Tony, doesnt it look nice. []
So how long do people think to do the swap. THe wastegate was off to fit the new exhaust about 2 months ago.
I have not pesonally taken it off, and will be working with the car on ramps at the front.
What tools do i need. I will not be doing this at home (no level driveway) so will have to take the appropriate tools with me.
Will go for it this Sunday(weather is looking good up here(for once!!)
]So how long do people think to do the swap. THe wastegate was off to fit the new exhaust about 2 months ago.
I have not pesonally taken it off, and will be working with the car on ramps at the front.
What tools do i need. I will not be doing this at home (no level driveway) so will have to take the appropriate tools with me.
Will go for it this Sunday(weather is looking good up here(for once!!)
Diver944
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Well if the old wastegate has been off recently and none of the bolts are seized I reckon 2 hours should do it.
I used the instructions at www.lindseyracing to get it off (see my pics on page 5 of this post)
Just attach everything loosely when you fit the new one and gradually tighten it all up.
You need a 10mm and 13mm socket to get the old one off and a 6mm allen socket to put the new on. A universal 'swivelley' adaptor and two 12" extension bars are really helpful to get at the two bolts that hold the WG to the torque tube and I also used a tiny 1/4" socket set to get at two of the 13mm bolts on the WG beacuse the standard 1/2" sockets were just too chunky
Don't forget to Zymol it first []
I used the instructions at www.lindseyracing to get it off (see my pics on page 5 of this post)
Just attach everything loosely when you fit the new one and gradually tighten it all up.
You need a 10mm and 13mm socket to get the old one off and a 6mm allen socket to put the new on. A universal 'swivelley' adaptor and two 12" extension bars are really helpful to get at the two bolts that hold the WG to the torque tube and I also used a tiny 1/4" socket set to get at two of the 13mm bolts on the WG beacuse the standard 1/2" sockets were just too chunky
Don't forget to Zymol it first [
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No experience yet - its still in its box - but the Tial shouldn't open until you want it to. It opens the other way from the factory item - Upwards rather than downwards so the exhaust pressure shouldn't be able to force it open. I have ordered a manula boost controller from Demon tweeks (from the link above) will let you all know how I get on. Tial looks very nice the only thing comment so far there is quite a step between the size of hole in the adaptor and the size of hole through the wastegate itself. I guess this isn't really an issue as we do not necesarily need great flow through there.
To get member status you have to e-mail sophia at club office with your name, membership number and I think login name. Stars are connected to number of postings.
Cheers,
Tony
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To get member status you have to e-mail sophia at club office with your name, membership number and I think login name. Stars are connected to number of postings.
Cheers,
Tony
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I am going to try and fit some sort of support bracket, either using the origional one as is or in some sort of moddified fashion. It just seems slightly too heavy to me to be hanging from the exhaust alone. I gather its 6oz lighter than the origional, that just a quote from rennlist.
I will be using the accuboost Andrew, so if there is any boost bleeding then it will be form tha of the hoses NOT the wasegate, as has been stated, it should stay clamped shut till the required pressure is applied. I went for the 0.9bar spring.
I will be using the accuboost Andrew, so if there is any boost bleeding then it will be form tha of the hoses NOT the wasegate, as has been stated, it should stay clamped shut till the required pressure is applied. I went for the 0.9bar spring.
Diver944
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Hi Andrew. Yes I was totally happy with the fit. I did get slightly worried that the adaptors seemed 2mm too thick when connecting to the pipe that leads to the back box but this was because I had fully tightened the side to the crossover pipe. When I loosened everything off and tightened them all up gradually it fitted in just fine. I also found that the original support bracket on the torque tube was slightly in the way, but as it is not needed with the TiAL I loosene it and slid it down the torque tube about an inch or so.
Sadly I took plenty of photographs but omitted to weigh it. As Slim said, there is a post on Rennlist stating that the TiAL with its adaptors is actually 6 oz lighter than the standard. The TiAL itself is VERY light. When all bolted in it seems very solid, I am not worried it has no bracket (but we shall see what happens [] )
I am thinking of getting an MBC to run dual port but Danno has stated to me previously that at our power levels it is better in single port, because the boost builds quicker, so I am just using the Reliaboost in single port. As for boost bleed I have tested to the redline in 4th gear and it held 15psi all the way. Strangely in 3rd gear it did start to bleed to about 13psi at just under 6000rpm. I think I will shortly be buying your vaccum kit and DV30 just in case this is causing it. I haven't tried in 5th [] my test track is too short. I haven't tried without the Reliaboost, I shall give it a go on Monday
If you wanted to fully test one of your MBC's in dual port on my TiAL you are welcome anytime.
I hope Goldtrack do have evening Silverstones this year but I am getting doubtful. I will call Melindi and see?
Sadly I took plenty of photographs but omitted to weigh it. As Slim said, there is a post on Rennlist stating that the TiAL with its adaptors is actually 6 oz lighter than the standard. The TiAL itself is VERY light. When all bolted in it seems very solid, I am not worried it has no bracket (but we shall see what happens [
] )I am thinking of getting an MBC to run dual port but Danno has stated to me previously that at our power levels it is better in single port, because the boost builds quicker, so I am just using the Reliaboost in single port. As for boost bleed I have tested to the redline in 4th gear and it held 15psi all the way. Strangely in 3rd gear it did start to bleed to about 13psi at just under 6000rpm. I think I will shortly be buying your vaccum kit and DV30 just in case this is causing it. I haven't tried in 5th [
] my test track is too short. I haven't tried without the Reliaboost, I shall give it a go on MondayIf you wanted to fully test one of your MBC's in dual port on my TiAL you are welcome anytime.
I hope Goldtrack do have evening Silverstones this year but I am getting doubtful. I will call Melindi and see?
I was at Northway today as i have a strange problem with my car (more later) but whilst it was on the ramp I had a look at the wastegate. The way the spacer plates are fitted on mine the engine side attaches to the bottom the exhaust to the side port. This means the valve could open under exhaust pressure as with the standard WG. It also means the Tial would be leaning backwards rather than the same orientation as the original. Which way round did you fit yours Paul?
I think the plates are interchangeable so I am wondering if mine were installed wrongly.
I also ordered one of the demon tweeks boost controllers I am not sure it is suitable or in fact how it is meant to work (didn't come with instructions) it has three ports into a chamber, the centre port can be closed / restricted by screwing in the knob.
Tony
I also ordered one of the demon tweeks boost controllers I am not sure it is suitable or in fact how it is meant to work (didn't come with instructions) it has three ports into a chamber, the centre port can be closed / restricted by screwing in the knob.
Tony
Andrew,
The more postings you make the more stars you get. Keep posting and you could become a five star anorak like me [
]I'm not sure about the membership heading, I think I read that you have to e-mail head office with your membership number to get it changed, or something daft like that.
Diver944
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Hmmmm, I wonder if I have mine the wrong way round [&:]
Mine does lean towards the back, and the engine side is at the bottom with the exit from the side.
You better check yours while you are doing it today Tony, and I'll await redfaced []
My earlier pics do look like the plates are fitted the same as yours
Mine does lean towards the back, and the engine side is at the bottom with the exit from the side.
You better check yours while you are doing it today Tony, and I'll await redfaced [
]My earlier pics do look like the plates are fitted the same as yours
The picture of Fens in this thread I think shows the same orientation. However the flanges are the same size so it could go the other way. I wonder if it will open against the exhaust pressure though.
Anyway with the exhaust able to push it open (as delivered input on bottom) it makes sense to use the top port to hold it closed - I posted on rennlist this morning about combining an MBC and a reliaboost.
Tony
PS I will be plastering today so its not getting fitted just yet, I still have the mysterious oil leak to find as well []
Anyway with the exhaust able to push it open (as delivered input on bottom) it makes sense to use the top port to hold it closed - I posted on rennlist this morning about combining an MBC and a reliaboost.
Tony
PS I will be plastering today so its not getting fitted just yet, I still have the mysterious oil leak to find as well [
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Diver944
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Hurrah [] I have done it right []
I found a few threads on Rennlist all querying how to install a TiAL. This is the best one and has a number of pics of different peoples wastegates (yawn)
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122623&highlight=Tial+and+picture
The bottom of the TiAL does face the inlet (engine) and the side port is the exit down the exhaust. This is completely opposite to the standard WG and means it leans towards the rear of the car as opposed to the front like the standard one. I believe the bolts have different spacing so you can't install it incorrectly, but I can't exactly check that now - over to you guys with shiny wastegates in your hands
So this means that we were mistaken in our belief that exhaust pressure cannot open the valve prematurely. It can, because even though the TiAL valve opens inwards it makes no difference because it's mounted opposite
] I have done it right []I found a few threads on Rennlist all querying how to install a TiAL. This is the best one and has a number of pics of different peoples wastegates (yawn)
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122623&highlight=Tial+and+picture
The bottom of the TiAL does face the inlet (engine) and the side port is the exit down the exhaust. This is completely opposite to the standard WG and means it leans towards the rear of the car as opposed to the front like the standard one. I believe the bolts have different spacing so you can't install it incorrectly, but I can't exactly check that now - over to you guys with shiny wastegates in your hands
So this means that we were mistaken in our belief that exhaust pressure cannot open the valve prematurely. It can, because even though the TiAL valve opens inwards it makes no difference because it's mounted opposite
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Hurrah [
I found a few threads on Rennlist all querying how to install a TiAL. This is the best one and has a number of pics of different peoples wastegates (yawn)
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122623&highlight=Tial+and+picture
The bottom of the TiAL does face the inlet (engine) and the side port is the exit down the exhaust. This is completely opposite to the standard WG and means it leans towards the rear of the car as opposed to the front like the standard one. I believe the bolts have different spacing so you can't install it incorrectly, but I can't exactly check that now - over to you guys with shiny wastegates in your hands
So this means that we were mistaken in our belief that exhaust pressure cannot open the valve prematurely. It can, because even though the TiAL valve opens inwards it makes no difference because it's mounted opposite
Great stuff i am fitting mine tomorrow...
Dont forget it will take alot more then 0.8 bar or whatever you spring is rated at to push open the valve as the surface area is much much smaller, about 1/4 atleast of the diaphragm. So it will take about 3.6-4bar to open it, and i doudt you will be able to get this much pressure anyway...
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