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Character, soul, tactility, feel etc...

Binary versus digital...

The difference between objective and subjective choices![:D]

I love my 944t, but would sell a kidney to replicate that ST/RSR kermit green 911 of Chris Harris...
 
ORIGINAL: stevep2000

...especially as I may have to virtually give the S2 away due to it's high mileage.......
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I have the same problem as you. I have known my car for over 11 years, looked after and pampered it as much as I could and know it is a great car that will gives years of pleasure to the new owner.

But people must only see 191K miles and move on.
 
Well i'm afraid i'm one of those that got my 944 as a step towards a 911, however I have been so impressed with the 944 that I can't see me selling it for a 911. The fact it is not worth that much just means that i'd keep it alongside any 911 I bought. I think it is accepted that a 944 is a better car than 911's upto the 993 - even the legendary 993 isn't as comfortable and doesn't drive as well as a 944, but there is something about a 911 that i can't put my finger on. And I don't mean just the older air cooled cars. Even the 996, which is often dismissed as an inferior car, is a superb car whichever way you look at it, and took the levels of performance into another league from the 993. Even in bog standard C2 trim it is as quick if not quicker than an M3, and I don't hear anyone slagging that sooped up repchavmobile off. And I don't believe the nonsense about it being unreliable. The whole RMS and engine failure thing has been blown out of proportion and the 996 was as reliable as any of its predecessors. It has to be more reliable than the 964 for example.

I just love the way people love bashing the 911 saying it's reign has finally ended and every time Porsche raises the bar as if to stick a finger up at the critics who say "The 911 is as good as it can get there is no more development in it". It is a car that punches above its weight. When are they going to learn? Look at the hype about the R8 for example. Is was as quick and as good as the equivalent 997, but is about £20k+ more expensive and about 50bhp more powerful - that makes the 997 a better car in my book (does the same for significantly less money and significantly less BHP) - and with the new facelift 997 with near as damn it GT3 performance, it has surely surpassed the R8. It really is an amazing piece of kit.
 
I might be one of the few who does not feel sincerely attracted, even remotely, to any variant of rear-engined Porsche.
The only one that won't hurt my eyes too much is the 993 ; Its design and detail cues haved aged quite well (bar the ghastly 2S & 4S versions), at least as well as the 944 turbo/S2 shape. However I got to drive a well-sorted one (with the PSS9 kit and a few other RS goodies) on a fair bit and it was still a let down.
I want to believe I would have loved it if I had never driven a 944 before, but I will have to wait until another life to figure this one out ...
 
Good article in the latest 911 & Porsche World about the fact that this is now the time to buy a 911. Good write up of a 996 selling at £15K... yes £15K.
 
Scott, better than a 911? No I really don't think so. But different yes. Horses for courses me thinks.
 
Like I said earlier, and I agree with Scott because he is just reiterating what Baz Hartech has said on this issue. A nice condition 15 grand 996 (you could if lucky get a really nice one who knows) could be the best secondhand buy right now for a regular road use Porsche. I am still trying to get over the shock that Baz reckons they are cheaper to run and maintain then an S2. Bolton might be a bit far to go though for the service and warranty work for many ppl.

Sometimes it is difficult to reconcile how far Porsche moved the game on with that car. Reviews at the time extol how you could use all of the 300 Bhp all of the time, and this in a car at 1320 Kg weighs the same as an S2. OK the dash is not wonderful but is anyone seriously saying the 944 dash for example is any better designed or made.
 

Alright Nick , If your thinking of building an RS then why not consider a salvage vehicle with some light damage , you could if you shop about get a real bargain , here is a nice 964 from Douglas Valley
Porsche 911 Turbo
Category: Vehicle salvage
Damage to N/S Front & N/S Rear:- RADS, BOOTLID, O/S Front oil cooler. DENTS/SCRATCHES.ENG + TRANS? A/C FITTED. Comes with RS kit inside (fire extinguisher, RS door cards)
Make/marques: Porsche
Model: 911 Turbo
Specification: Reg: XIL5928 3.3L Petrol Turbo Manual 964
Year: 1991
Category Damage: Salvage Category C
Keys: Yes
V5 or Logbook: No
Service History: No
Price: £ 14500
Bet this was a real lovely 964 in it's day , but like Jeremy Clarkson has said the 911's are plotting on how best to kill you one day !!!!
Give me a 944 and 968 any day , love them , best regards J
 
hi guys, if you want my two pennies worth, i have owned and run a 924S for over 10 years now and have truly loved every minute of it, although i always had one eye on 911's, at shows,meets and events. I would walk back to my little 924 saying "one day". Some time ago i (like many) decided to make "One day", Today. My budget didnt allow me the get a 930, which is what i thought i fancy'ed, and after looking at lots, and i mean lots, i finally purchased a 1977, 2.7 911. I can still remeber the drive home, with my father in the passengers seat, he remarked after about 5 minutes, its too loud, too old and quite frankly your 924 it a better car by miles. At the time i really didnt listen, as i was driving my hero home. But in reflection unless your a real 911 nut,or have lots of cash to buy a new one (996-7) then stay in thoughs wonderful 924/944/968/928. As the old saying goes "Dont meet your heros".

my 911 is in the garage ( up for sale if anyone is interested) and my 924 is on the drive and used as regularly as i can.

Marc
 
ORIGINAL: NeilW

Scott, better than a 911? No I really don't think so. But different yes. Horses for courses me thinks.
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OK, maybe the word better was not the best word to use. I think you'd agree that the 944 is more comfortable and nicer for the long journeys? and the handling characteristic is more conventional and therefore familiar to the driver, therefore providing the driver with more confidence. A 911 on the other hand requires a bit of faith that the light front end will actually turn in when you turn the wheel (which it invaribly does) and requires the driver to get used to the characteristics of the car and adjust their driving style to suit (the challenge often being the main appeal).

If you can indeed get a good 996 for £15k then that is the bargain of the century. I reckon a 996 C2 with KW suspension would be a very good drivers car.
 
Id love an '80s 911SC ... A friend had one and it was really really clean. When you drove down the street every man, woman and child knew exactly what it was. I drove it on a few occasions and found it wasnt as nice a driver as my own 944. You would have to be used to it and watch it. Its a horses for courses thing as said earlier. I like the look of the 911 but the drive of the 944..... In fact I like the look of the 944 as well.....[&:]
 
ORIGINAL: J.C944TurboMan


Alright Nick , If your thinking of building an RS then why not consider a salvage vehicle with some light damage , you could if you shop about get a real bargain , here is a nice 964 from Douglas Valley
Porsche 911 Turbo
Category: Vehicle salvage
Damage to N/S Front & N/S Rear:- RADS, BOOTLID, O/S Front oil cooler. DENTS/SCRATCHES.ENG + TRANS? A/C FITTED. Comes with RS kit inside (fire extinguisher, RS door cards)
Make/marques: Porsche
Model: 911 Turbo
Specification: Reg: XIL5928 3.3L Petrol Turbo Manual 964
Year: 1991
Category Damage: Salvage Category C
Keys: Yes
V5 or Logbook: No
Service History: No
Price: £ 14500
Bet this was a real lovely 964 in it's day , but like Jeremy Clarkson has said the 911's are plotting on how best to kill you one day !!!!
Give me a 944 and 968 any day , love them , best regards J
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Already seen that one, not that I've been looking or anything.....[;)]

My 964 had been lowered but was otherwise standard and part of the attraction is the engine note and characteristics. The unique driving sensations are also central to the character of the car.

My 994t is easier to drive fast on a winding road than that 964 was, but therein lies the challenge!

As far as the 996 is concerned, I appreciate that it is indeed a lot of car for the money these days but it singularly fails to stir my loins [:D] (GT3 etc excepted) in the looks or quality department. The fact that the higher performance derivatives of the car (GT3 & Turbo) use developments of the 964 3.6l engine rather than the 996's newer one, says it all for me...

The 911 will only kill you if you drive it like a muppet, ignoring it's unique weight distribution[:D]
 
£14.5K is a lot for a cat C 911 turbo with no history, thats basically a proper write off, would only be economical to repair if you did the work yourself and then how are you going to do any pulling needed to get it back into shape??

And then it will still be a repaired Cat C with no service history.
 
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