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time for a 911?

Nooooooo!!!!! That Iris Blue one is lovely, and I could live with purple for a 993.

It's funny, I was just talking with my girlfriend last night about how for the next few months I won't spend anymore money on cars and yes I'll put a deposit on a flat/house instead.

I wonder if she could be persuaded that a 993 is just as sound an investment as a house at that price. Scarily though, in the current climate and with strong 993 prices it might well be!!

Of course the bit where I persuade her that living in a 993 would be doable may be going a step too far!
 
ORIGINAL: Wigeon Incognito


It's funny, I was just talking with my girlfriend last night about how for the next few months I won't spend anymore money on cars and yes I'll put a deposit on a flat/house instead.

Don't you mean that she was talking to you about how you mustn't......?!!![;)]

 
ORIGINAL: appletonn

ORIGINAL: Wigeon Incognito


It's funny, I was just talking with my girlfriend last night about how for the next few months I won't spend anymore money on cars and yes I'll put a deposit on a flat/house instead.

Don't you mean that she was talking to you about how you mustn't......?!!![;)]

That may be a more accurate representation of the conversation........[:D]
 
ORIGINAL: appletonn


Matt, the £15k 996 is now a reality, although maintenance costs at that level of car might be scary, depending on how well it has been looked after....

I would stick my neck out and say it would be no more worse than our cars if you kept to a good Indy garage. That particular one is 10 years old and pretty low mileage at 75k compared to my own S2 that I bought at 8 years old and 92k miles. Depreciation is a funny old game, mine was £40k new and I bought it for £12k at 8 years old. That 996 was possibly £60k new and is now £17k at 10 years old so no longer the depreciation proof 911 of the late 1980's
 
Been there done that, as my cars show below.

I must admit it took me a while to warm to the 964, mostly because I had an unfortunate buying experience, but now its sorted I see the appeal but I'm not sure how to describe that appeal. They said on the 964 Forum that it would grow on me and it has.

It is MUCH faster the the S2 (the S2 feels slow, especially in gear compared to the 964) and catches me out occasionally (that means its faster than I was expecting, not that I end up in ditches on a regular basis!) and whilst I have not learnt to drive it properly yet I am looking forward to the challenge.

The only thing that is strange is that I was expecting it to be noisy (exhaust wise) and unrefined, but now I find the exhaust to be too quiet (the tunnel thing is a bit disappointing) and it is plenty refined enough for long trips (heading for the South of France at the weekend for my first BIG adventure).

Maybe I will invest in a freer flowing exhaust when I have stopped smarting from the recent service bill!!

 
ORIGINAL: Lemon

Loved the looks of this, was just trying to work out how to get 2 x cars in 1 x garage.

And then I saw this

http://www.cardok.co.uk/

There we go problem solved [:D]

I'd be careful about installing that in your garage, unless you want a car pushed through the roof/into the room above!!

Nice solution though, I've always wanted a disguised door that raises Thunderbirds style to lead into my cellar where all my cars shall be kept nice and secure. Maybe just leave an old Mercedes 450SEL 6.9 outside for bombing to the shops in, and not park it on my secret door by accident!
 
ORIGINAL: Wigeon Incognito


Maybe just leave an old Mercedes 450SEL 6.9 outside for bombing to the shops in, and not park it on my secret door by accident!

Have you been reading my extensive dream garage list?![:D] Ronin is one of my favourite films, partly because of that 6.9l Merc[:)]
 
Scott, you're right about the relative ride comfort. I'm in the lake district this week, in the 964, and it's not soaking up the bumps like my 944 did!
 

ORIGINAL: appletonn

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Maybe just leave an old Mercedes 450SEL 6.9 outside for bombing to the shops in, and not park it on my secret door by accident!

Have you been reading my extensive dream garage list?![:D] Ronin is one of my favourite films, partly because of that 6.9l Merc[:)

2nded but wasn't the S8 the star car in Ronin? those mercs are uber cool though (and lots of ppl agree) so may be on the dream list for some time.

BTW silver or black with blue or black leather is my ideal modern pork spec. Would make for a very agreeable every day car being silver and for me this is the point with the 996 surely?
 
ORIGINAL: steve 944t

I have long been a big fan of 911s, but as an ownership prospect, the only one that is a real attraction to me (leaving aside the GT3s and RSs) is the 3.2 Carrera CS. I just love the brash 80s styling with the red script down the side. I know the changes from the standard carrera were not great, but my understanding is that the difference is very noticeable. Also, I have followed the value of these over the last few years and they certainly appear to be appreciating, not leaping in value but enough to justify a claim of true depreciation-proof ownership. The only thing that really stops me is that I can totally justify thrashing the pants off a <£10k 944 on trackdays, not so sure I would be happy doing the same in a £30k almost-unreplaceable CS.

I bought a 1985 3.2 Carrera Sport in 1994 for 15,500 and I could have bought a CS for about 17,500 at that time. Nowadays the 3.2 Sport would be worth what, 12k or less? The CS more like 25-30k?

I'm a 911 fan, but would I buy another one? Probably not if I'm honest. I agree with those who say the 996 isn't the one (and I disagree totally it's in the spirit of the 60's 911 - OK it has 4 seats, but how HEAVY is it compared with the original, or indeed how in actually NEEDS to be?). I had a 964 C4 and God, was it boring, so I tend to agree the 993 probably would be as well. That being the case for me a real 911 should have torsion springs and upright headlights. the problem then is that without exception they are old enough to be a very expensive corrosion repair in the UK, and it's very difficult to know if a car you're looking at is rotting from the kidney bowls out or not - how many owners faced with a 5k repair bill opt for a quick cosmetic tart up and out the car while it still looks nice?

I also wouldn't go for a "cheap" one. There is no such thing as a cheap Porsche and that goes double for a 911. I know a guy who bought a reasonable one without engine from the 'Bay a couple of years ago for about 4k and last time I spoke to him he was something like 10k into it (plus hundreds of hours of his time) and it still wasn't nearly finished.

In my 8 Porsche experience I've learned that you should only ever buy the best as the premium you will pay is far less than you'll spend trying to get an average car anywhere near that good (and don't even touch a ropey one) - and the average car will only ever get average money when you come to move it on as well. The trouble is with the 911 (in the UK climate anyway) you have to worry that paying a premium for a tidy looking car that you believe is the best could still land you with something that needs the B-pillars opened up to make it safe, or you have to get a 964 on which is only a fraction of the true 911 experience.
 
Isn't a 964 just as suspect to rust as an earlier car, other than it's a few years younger? Had an inspection on a 3.2 monday & found some suggestion of rust in the B pillars - I'd rather have a bit of boredom & the odd mechanical foilble than the dreaded tin-worm, especially if it was a C2 rather than a C4, but thought it was the same story, or at best just delaying the inevitible for a few years.
 
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Isn't a 964 just as suspect to rust as an earlier car, other than it's a few years younger? Had an inspection on a 3.2 monday & found some suggestion of rust in the B pillars - I'd rather have a bit of boredom & the odd mechanical foilble than the dreaded tin-worm, especially if it was a C2 rather than a C4, but thought it was the same story, or at best just delaying the inevitible for a few years.

I think there are also 993s that have had rust issues, around windscreen frames etc.
 
I had my 2.7 Lux from 2000 to 2007 but had always lusted after a 911.

Had the same dilemma as you this time last year of do I finally get a 911?

Well I did just that. Was it a good move?

The 911 is different, that's for sure. Mine is a 3.2 Targa Supersport.

Targa's are noisy due to the roof. First mistake - shouldn't have bought a Targa!

Performance is great; brakes are great (compared to my 944); gearbox (915) takes some getting used to. Mechanically (I hope with MOT looming), my car is sound considering it's 20+ years' old. Have had and still experiencing issues with standard items failing or probably not working when I bought it, this despite, quote, 'meticulous pre-delivery preparation' by the dealer. I forgot that, in the main, dealers are dealers, regardless of what they are selling. If they can get away with minimal work to sell a car, they will.

My tips would be to get any car you feel inclined to purchase properly inspected and make sure the check includes ALL the switches, dials, functionality as well as the mechanical aspects. This is in addition to the normal requirements of good service history, etc.
If you like a 'civilised' car, don't buy a Targa (no doubt this will bring the Targa lovers out in force...!)

Do I regret finally getting a 911? Yes and no. I should have been more particular in my choice; and I put far too much trust in a dealer's reputation. Performance is awesome, though.

Do I miss my 944? Most definitely! Spent an enjoyable time in getting it how I wanted it, not that there was any thing wrong when I bought it (from a private seller, incidentally).

Given the space and finances to match, I would have liked to keep the 944. If yours is a good example, think long and hard before you move it on. Their numbers are diminishing: finding another one in as good a condition could be very difficult.

Regards.
 

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