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Upgrading from M001 to M003

ORIGINAL: chfs911

I checked a few shell nos at Spa. Mev's mine and Haki's(from email) all come from C2 production nos.

They are all in correct order for VINs to which is reassuring.


Ian's Cup and ex Des M003 cars had the RS series shell nos.

The shell nos are visible through the rear widow on the RHS. The engine lid, doors and bonnet all have the same shell no. stamped.

Porsche can give you a ipass with the shell and VIN nos so you can check the car has not been reshelled and or major bits replaced.

If shell nos are missing then it is likely the car has been tampered with but why would they do that.....?

This is why you need to inspect these cars before purchase.
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Good to know (ex-Des = H____'s car now!). I am aware not all the panels (i.e. bonnet )are original.
 

ORIGINAL: paul howells

Chris where do you get your info from,no production number is a time to worry,or you have a special car of some sort.
Its not just on the back shelf
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This particular piece of info came from a dealer selling a Cup car. It had no visible number on the shell beneath the rear window. When I mentioned it I was told that the Cup shells didn't have numbers because they were intended to be re-shelled. Wot I said !

 

ORIGINAL: Hacki

ORIGINAL: ChrisW

And interestingly, there isn't a shell number on a Cup car.

Because shells were designed to be replaced ?? !!

As an aside, how does this shell number relate to the panel numbers ? It seems to be completely different !

Or does Porsche have a master file somewhere ? [:D]
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My Cup car has a shell no., didn´t check the panelnumbers though. AFAIK they should match.

Rgds

Hacki
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Hacki, just had a quick look at my M003 --- the number on the rear shelf (couldn't get to the under dash area) is a 7 digit number of which the last four digits are also stamped on the bonnet, rear engine cover and I understand inside the doors (couldn't get in there either).
This seven digit number is also printed on the top of the label under the bonnet --- in the format first three numbers, hyphen, last four numbers, but isn't printed on the label inside the service manual.

e.g. Shell number 1234567, top of bonnet label 123-4567, panel numbers 4567.


 

ORIGINAL: ChrisW


ORIGINAL: paul howells

Chris where do you get your info from,no production number is a time to worry,or you have a special car of some sort.
Its not just on the back shelf
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This particular piece of info came from a dealer selling a Cup car. It had no visible number on the shell beneath the rear window. When I mentioned it I was told that the Cup shells didn't have numbers because they were intended to be re-shelled. Wot I said !
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Well, if a dealer told you, or even if you read it somewhere on the internet....then it must be true!? [:eek:]
 
Still learning --- which is why I believe what I learn until something more logical comes along !!

Incidentally, there is no relationship between the last four numbers of my Vin --- those defining the N-GT M003 964RS and the build number.
 
This what you are looking for.




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  • Designated code M001
  • pre-'92 models based on modified Carrera body shells
  • 1992 model based on 1992 Porsche 911 Carrera RS NGT
  • Built primarily for the Carrera Cup series (Germany, France and Japan) and the Supercup series (Worldwide)
  • Dry weight 1100 kg (2425 lbs)
  • Most bodyshells were Grand Prix White (code P5) with some other colors produced like black and red.
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Thanks Charles,

And interesting that Ian's Cup car also has the later style RS mirrors rather than the earlier small Cup car mirrors ?
 
Oh no not dealer information,as clubsport says it must be true bull.
There were a few gt2 made with just production numbers for customer race team etc,such as rook.
Also something to note,even the factory make mistakes with the production numbers,i know of a very nice rsr with 2 numbers crossed out with a stamp,PA stamped next to the two crossed out numbers and the 2 correct digits next to the PA,PA as in per amendment..
The one 964 rs that i would like in my garage is the famouse Montecarlo gp winning Hakinen car,this also has the pa and 2 numbers crossed out.etc
Now where is my rain coat.
 
ORIGINAL: ChrisW

Thanks Charles,

And interesting that Ian's Cup car also has the later style RS mirrors rather than the earlier small Cup car mirrors ?
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Ruling brought in in '92 for 110 sq. cm.
 
Intense? Certainly Chris! I'll take one of the door panels off tonight and have a look for a number!
 
ORIGINAL: chfs911
  • Designated code M001
  • pre-'92 models based on modified Carrera body shells
  • 1992 model based on 1992 Porsche 911 Carrera RS NGT
  • Built primarily for the Carrera Cup series (Germany, France and Japan) and the Supercup series (Worldwide)
  • Dry weight 1100 kg (2425 lbs)
  • Most bodyshells were Grand Prix White (code P5) with some other colors produced like black and red.
  • [FONT=verdana,geneva"]Final assemby at Porsche Weissach racing division[FONT=verdana,geneva"]
  • [FONT=verdana,geneva"]

    [FONT=verdana,geneva"]
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If I´m right the M code of the early Cups was M 700. you won´t find that in the standard lists. Mine is M 700 (´90 model).

Rgds

Hacki
 
I feel obliged to go and look for all these numbers on the car now! I have to say some great tech info on here. Please keep the info coming. I've got a lot to learn!
 
This is where this dedicated 964RS Forum comes into it's own. Very interesting reading.

All this combined knowledge ought to be captured somehow.
 
I've just checked my car and yes it has two wheels at the back and also two at the front.

The tyres are matching, albeit quite worn.

There is a stamp on the envelope in the passenger seat of a card I still need to post.

PHEEEEEWWWWWW!

[;)][;)]
 
ORIGINAL: Hacki

ORIGINAL: chfs911
  • Designated code M001
  • pre-'92 models based on modified Carrera body shells
  • 1992 model based on 1992 Porsche 911 Carrera RS NGT
  • Built primarily for the Carrera Cup series (Germany, France and Japan) and the Supercup series (Worldwide)
  • Dry weight 1100 kg (2425 lbs)
  • Most bodyshells were Grand Prix White (code P5) with some other colors produced like black and red.
  • [FONT=verdana,geneva"]Final assemby at Porsche Weissach racing division[FONT=verdana,geneva"]
  • [FONT=verdana,geneva"]

    [FONT=verdana,geneva"]
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If I´m right the M code of the early Cups was M 700. you won´t find that in the standard lists. Mine is M 700 (´90 model).

Rgds

Hacki
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Your right!




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ORIGINAL: jason

I've just checked my car and yes it has two wheels at the back and also two at the front.

The tyres are matching, albeit quite worn.

There is a stamp on the envelope in the passenger seat of a card I still need to post.

PHEEEEEWWWWWW!

[;)][;)]
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I'll bet that's not what you said when you were planning the 3.0RSR !
 
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