what did you do to your 944 today

[PAUL RUDDY]

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Hi, Are these B6 Bilstein Inserts ?

If so why don't they fit the standard strut legs?

What year is your 2.5 8v N/A ?

R

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Only the early 944's had struts with threaded tubes and caps to take new inserts, the later cars have non serviceable struts, the factory insert is held in with a crimped cap.

All the aftermarket inserts require some mods to the strut casing to fit them.

cheers, Paul

 

[924Srr27l]

Hi, Are these B6 Bilstein Inserts ?

If so why don't they fit the standard strut legs?

What year is your 2.5 8v N/A ?

R

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Only the early 944's had struts with threaded tubes and caps to take new inserts, the later cars have non serviceable struts, the factory insert is held in with a crimped cap.

All the aftermarket inserts require some mods to the strut casing to fit them.

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Ok, and I guess buying Early struts wouldn't fit ether as the stub axle width is different, also the bolt hole spacing different

and the spring ID was smaller?

Seems Porsche make a backward step with the newer Evolutions, unless it was all done to Sell more parts?

R

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

This is a late strut, not S2 or Turbo, the crimped cap is clearly shown and when removed the actual tube is also crimped over, no threads.

 

[924Srr27l]

This is a late strut, not S2 or Turbo, the crimped cap is clearly shown and when removed the actual tube is also crimped over, no threads.

Got it thanks, were you not also tempted to weld an adjustable spring platform or do you prefer to keep it totally stock.

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[53berliner]

i opened the garage, took the cover off, patted the car, put the cover back and locked the garage.

sounds very familiar

 

[vitesse]

Great to meet & see you,Lee & loved your S2-in the best & fastest colour of course -nice sound as well.

Only got back early this am & had no internet access (& no time either to connect to my neighbour's which requires sitting in the garden with the laptop)

I'll let you know next time I'm over.

Colin Aka "George"

 

[Eldavo]

My Xmas present to myself was supposed to be some light recommissioning of the bodywork on my car. It was pushed back to January, not a problem - it can be a wedding anniversary present I thought. Now been pushed back back to mid-end March so will suffice instead of an Easter Egg I suppose.

Treated myself to a 968 Turbo RS style adjustable carbon spoiler instead - thanks Santa!

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

Began converting the front struts to Bilstein inserts.

Bought a spare pair of struts from EBay, had them blasted and lightly powder primed to protect them from corrosion whilst I mod them.

The threaded adapters came from Germany.

They will be going to get Tig welded then powder coated satin black.

cheers, Paul

So, I had a local engineering firm Tig weld the adapters in place and then had them powder coated, will pop the inserts in and that's job done.

I guess I'll have to do everything else on the rebuild to the same standard.......!!

i'll start a separate thread shortly to keep all the restoration images in one place.

cheers, Paul

 

[Waylander]

nice job

 

[944Scott]

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[Indi9xx]

Very nice! I keep meaning to add an extra bulb into the front indicators on my favourite 944 turbo, its something I have been meaning to do for the last 20 years to one and never got around to. I think it would look better with the whole front indicator flashing rather than just one half of it.

 

[Indi9xx]

Today my favourite white 86 turbo is having an extended birthday period that has been going on and off for the last month or so in the workshop.

So far in the last four weeks it has had..

* New shocks all round

* New brake disks, pads, handbrake shoes, handbrake mechanisms and springs, heat shields, rebuilt callipers (86 Cross drilled - Which is the only deviation from standard on the car)

* Service

Today it is getting...

* Two new front wishbones

* Two new front wishbone caster mounts (968 M030 items, second deviation from standard on the whole car)

* New anti roll bar drop links and bushes.

Originally it only came off the road because I noticed the roads were being gritted one night.. But then it became an epic adventure of trying to get new front brake heat shields, which it turns out Porsche deleted years ago, so I had to get in touch with the original manufacturer and have them make me some more!!

A slippery slope though.. For the first time in 30 years (this year) it has deviated from original spec with having cross drilled disks and the 968 caster mounts... Can I now resist other modifications?? I have done well so far, it has always been my 944 Turbo Reference of how a standard one should drive to show customers what is wrong with theirs.. But those two mods had to be done..

I am trying to fight the urge to put in an 87 onwards DME (keeping the original one and chip) and assembling a hybrid chip of my latest software but with 86 friendly maps (k26/6, not balls out performance, but less lag, smoother running, improved MPG etc) but that is a really slippery slope and where does it end? probably with 150 more torques (as Mr Clarkson would say) and 200 extra ponies (as my dad would have said)... Must.. Remain.. Restrained..

 

[PSH]

Hi Jon

good move on the cross drilled disks and 968 caster mounts, my 86 has had those for some years now, in fact, I really should replace the discs and rebuild the callipers...yet again.... I've done ....err...a few more mods than that though....... although very pleased that externally she still has her standard looks including those most glorious of wheels the 'deep dish teledials'.....IMHO you'd be hard pressed to find a car more purposeful looking than an 86 944 turbo.....I know...I'm a little bias.....

Careful now, it's a slippery slope as you well know...

Pete

 

[Indi9xx]

I am a sucker for the 86 Turbo teledials, I just wish they were 8J fronts and 9J rears for a bit more grip and to fill the arches a bit more.. But then another part of me knows that would increase cornering speed, but also decrease the warning at the limit of grip, which would ruin one of the things I love about her.

A few years ago I was a different man, back then I was part of the "modernise" crowd for my own cars, so it would have been 17inch cup ones, 968 mirrors and door handles and a bridge spoiler on a 90 spec car all day long... But my white 86 has always been a soft spot car for me and now I really like the retro looks of the 86 teledials, rubber spoiler and porsche script door handles.

Back in my 17" cup 1 wheel on a 944 turbo phase, I even thought about having a set of the teledials turned into 17inch split rims having seen a South African Supercar which had some... Very tempting back then, even though I knew it would probably ruin the nature of the car.

My feeling regarding the 968 Caster mounts and the cross drilled disks is that they will just improve the car just that little bit and yet they are still consumable items which can be changed back easily the next time they are due.

The custom chip is where I am wondering where to draw the line in the sand though.. I am currently veering away from it as even though I know it would not cause any reliability issues, part of me still wants to be able to get into it and feel the just out of the factory 1986 944 Turbo feeling (which I spend a fortune to maintain by replacing items before they have failed, but when they have passed optimum, which I know is madness)

However, I just remembered, it does have one other mod, and that is the PrecisionShift and FrontShift, same through, but a perpetual "like new" feeling to the gear shift.. Maybe the slippery slope began long ago!

 

[PSH]

I remember those days well Jon, everyone fitting 17" cups, luckily for me I never liked the look and thus kept the originals....a friend had the later car with 17's, never felt good to me, not as nimble... but then that's not just due to the bigger wheels, it's also the offset geometry and extra weight too..I had forgotten about the scripted door handles, Porsche cut costs so much on the later cars, or was it that they spent too much on the originals, they certainly weren't cheap cars no matter what the snobs say...

Pete

 

[Indi9xx]

Seen the price people sell those 968 sized 17" (7.5J and 9J) cup-1's and Cup-2's for these days??? I have a few sets of those in my aladins cave.

One of my 944 Turbos is wearing a set of 7J and 9J 16" forged CS wheels.. Been thinking of selling the car, but really don't know if I should let it go with the CS's fitted and should maybe fit the original Design90's back onto that car.

 

[PSH]

back in the day, the forged wheels used to be a sort after wheel, hardly hear them mentioned these days....very light, not my cup of tea but again I had a friend who bought a set, had them re-anodised too...

 

[blade7]

Porsche cut costs so much on the later cars, or was it that they spent too much on the originals,

Pete

Those later cars that came with a LSD, bigger brakes, sports seats, MO30 suspension, ABS, to name a few uprates. Then there was the close to £50k list price at the end, doesn't sound like cost cutting to me Pete.

 

[Indi9xx]

I don't think they cut costs on the originals as such, I think they over engineered the first run, in particular the M44.50 engines and to an extent the M44.51s.

I think they threw excess stock of parts in the form of options onto the very late cars to try to sell them, but then again the economy of the country was not great then, which must have hit sales. The car prices were set in stone by the factory to stop grey importing between territories, but I believe options were free of factory regulation and were a good cash cow for dealers, hence the... wait for it... 944 Turbo SE

I also think that by the time the late 80's came along Porsche were aiming the 944 turbo at a specific market and buyer, which wasnt your typical 911 buyer and more of a GT Car for Europe and that buyer wanted toys..

The other theory is that with the 250 car they really were confusing the market with the 250 cars being faster than the still (running out of) in production 3.2 Carrera, so they added the extras as ballast to slow them down a bit

 

[Indi9xx]

The bigger brakes, without the ABS and the M030 suspension is something I would have liked to have been on the 86 cars and on my favourite 86 car in particular, can't argue with them being good bits of kit..

But the LSD is something I can do without unless I was stuck in the mud or snow I like a car to be progressive at the limit and the LSD does make the car faster around a track, as long as you do not go beyond the limit as it is a lot easier to catch and hold a non LSD car, where as the LSD car would be heading for the gravel or grass backwards.