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what did you do to your 944 today

Indi9xx said:
The other theory is that with the 250 car they really were confusing the market with the 250 cars being faster than the still (running out of) in production 3.2 Carrera, so they added the extras as ballast to slow them down a bit :)

More than likely. I've never seen a road test where a 220 turbo has out performed the 250. And how many M44.50 blocks are running in RHD cars today ?

 
Indi9xx said:
I don't think they cut costs on the originals as such, I think they over engineered the first run, in particular the M44.50 engines and to an extent the M44.51s.

I think that's what I meant Jon....the 85-86 were over engineered (more so than the later models having costs cut)and I guess had to be flagship type material, especially as at the time the 911's future was uncertain...hence the scripted door handles and the brake cooling ducts etc etc, you would know the differences far better than I, my memory is bad these days. They were expensive cars, the cost of my own car in 86 was some 25% dearer than what my London suburb house cost a year later in 87. I do laugh when I hear the comment...'a poor man's Porsche' these people really have no idea of what they're talking about...lol

 
Indi9xx said:
But the LSD is something I can do without unless I was stuck in the mud or snow :) I like a car to be progressive at the limit.

Not comparing apples with apples I know Jon, but I fitted an LSD axle in my 83 Capri 2.8 injection turbo and it transformed the traction it had. I could drift all 3 roundabouts on the St.Neots bypasss :ROFLMAO:.

 
blade7 said:
Indi9xx said:
The other theory is that with the 250 car they really were confusing the market with the 250 cars being faster than the still (running out of) in production 3.2 Carrera, so they added the extras as ballast to slow them down a bit :)

More than likely. I've never seen a road test where a 220 turbo has out performed the 250. And how many M44.51 blocks are running in RHD cars today ?

It wasn't a road test, it was comments given by Porsche designers/testers, I read it myself somewhere in one of my many books on the subject of 944's. Regarding engines I think you'll find it's the M44.50 engines that are difficult to find, the M44.51's not so difficult, I have one in mine, mind you there aren't a lot of 86's left so I guess the 51's are perhaps getting a little rarer each year. Not sure when the 52's started, perhaps the 87 year had 51's.. Jon will know...

 
Quite right the M44.50 block is what I should have said, though I still think the 2.7/3.0 block is a better design. I remember quoting something I'd read to one of the top Cosworth tuners back in the 90's, he laughed and told me I read too much and a lot of the stuff in print was put out to misinform the competition...

 
I spent an hour looking at an F1 engine in the Beaulieu museum years ago for that very reason... Having injectors outside of the trumpets is a well used tactic, but this engine had the nozzles pointing away from the trumpets... A spent an hour just looking at the engine and thinking "Was this a press engine, with this setup just to confuse the competition? or what could the effects and benefits be?"

I came to the conclusion that it was just to throw off the competition..

I think the argument of which is faster, 220 or 250 depends very much on the same variables of the turbo versus S2 argument.. On the right track, the 220 would be quicker than a 250, a good example might be a track like Bedford or Blyton, however somewhere like silverstone I would expect the 250 to pull away on the fast sections...

However when it comes to the "whos hands they are in", a lesser driver would probably be safer in a non LSD 220 on a track, than a LSD 250 on a track as far as loosing and recovering power oversteer, but that same lesser driver would probably get into trouble due to the lack of ABS and smaller brakes and having to be careful to not cook the brakes on the 220, but that is some of the charm for me, the dynamic of the 220 requires you to play with engine braking and clutch modulation during the engine braking, as well as brake modulation to avoid lockups, all judged on how weight transfer is happening at the time, whereas with the 250 M030 cars, you can just stand on the ABS/Big brakes into a corner a lot more and rely on things working out, lap after lap.

 
Indi9xx said:
Very nice! I keep meaning to add an extra bulb into the front indicators on my favourite 944 turbo, its something I have been meaning to do for the last 20 years to one and never got around to. I think it would look better with the whole front indicator flashing rather than just one half of it.

That's already on my to do list, I did put some drl's in there but decided to remove them because they didn't look right.

 
Today my white 86 turbo passed the MOT (Luckily the MOT place we use for impartiality is only 100m away!)

I then discovered it still has a standard steering shaft, so that is on my to do list to change before I spend a evening perfecting the alignment.. But that will require test drives between setup phases, and that means salty roads... So that may be on the to do list for once some spring rain has washed the damn salt off of the roads!

Also had a brief slot today for my chaps to fit the retrimmed dashboard in my 89 turbo, looks good, but now I need to wait for the replacement plastic centreline trims to turn up from Porsche and then for us to have time to finish putting everything back together in the dashboard, customers cars come first (groan!)

Business is shutting down between the end of the 23rd and the 3rd of Jan, so hopefully I can break away from family and have some quality time with my cars and my mad scientist lab!

 
Eldavo said:
I recall you making a modified steering shaft Jon, are these still available?
We can re-manufacture an old one with new bearings with a higher temperature rating than the originals.

The problem is that Porsche designed the car firsty as a left hand drive car, where the steering shaft is away from the exhaust, but on the right hand drive car, they used the same bearings but the shaft comes very close to one of the hottest points in the exhaust, so the seals shrink with age (5 years typically) which is accelerated by the high temperature and then the heat from the exhaust melts the grease in the bearings which then run out of the bearings.

A new genuine one will typically start to have play soon after 5 years (when the seal shrinks partly through age, but partly through heat) and once the grease melts away and out of the bearing, the bearing runs dry, as the seal shrinks more road grit and dust gets in and acts as an abrasive.

So when we have a used shaft re-manufactured, the new bearing has a higher temperature seal and higher temperature grease.

We fit these all the time in the workshop, where we know we get the old one to re-manufacture for someone else, but for mail order it is difficult to get originals back, so we don't really advertise them that much.

We had the same problem with our original PrecisionShifts, where we used to reuse one small cast iron item but with new stainless steel moving surfaces as one tiny re-used part of the assembly, but it was always a problem to get old ones back, which then meant we never had ones in stock, so now we make that part from scratch from stainless steel, but it increased the cost of the entire assembly by quite a margin.

We even tried charging a surcharge, but price the surcharge too low and you don't get the old ones back to re-manufacture, and price them too high and people do not buy the product... But manufacturing the entire steering shaft from scratch is very expensive unless we had several hundred made at a time.

For my car I have had to buy a new one from Porsche and remanufacture that, and we have had to do that quite a few times for customers on mail order.

Our ones should last a lot longer, but I would also advise customers to make sure all the heat shields are in place on their car, both between the engine and manifold, but also around the steering shaft on the cross member (these are often also missing and aggravate the problem!)

I guess that is a long winded way of saying we can do them, but I would ask you to send the old one back and pay a surcharge on it which would be refunded when we get your old one back.

 
I have an easier way around that Jon - I've got one in the car and a spare.

I could send you the spare to modify and then you send it back when done!

PM me the cost and I'll dig it out over Xmas to send down.

 
Hmmm - I must send my steering shaft back to JMG in 2017.. been sat in my garage for nearly 3 years now

 
picked my car up after some time spent in the bodyshop over xmas......good to have the old girl back, totally rust free now too....:)

Pete

 
Evening all...I had been smelling fuel on and off for a few days, couldn't quite work out where it was coming from. Asked my son to have a look, he spots things much quicker than i... anyway he soon found the culprit as in the rubber fuel hose from the FPR to the fuel rail. So today I replaced the offending hose with some that my son supplied, double walled so should be good for a while. when

I had been smelling fuel on and off for a few days, couldn't quite work out where it was coming from. Asked my son to have a look, he spots things much quicker than i... anyway he soon found the culprit as in the rubber fuel hose from the FPR to the fuel rail. So today I replaced the offending hose with some that my son supplied, double walled so should be good for a while. When I took the old hose off you could see that it was cracking when bent, close call as this hose runs over the exhaust manifold. so guys don't forget to check your fuel hoses, mine had been replaced some years back but it's pretty hot in our engine bay as you guys are well aware....

cheers

Pete

 
Pete, there was a recall on the front fuel hose off the rail (fuel damper) Porsche will still honour the recall.

 
Frenchy said:
Pete, there was a recall on the front fuel hose off the rail (fuel damper) Porsche will still honour the recall.

Hi Jim

on my car it's not the front hose, mind you I changed that when putting the car back on the road two years ago too..lol I doubt that Porsche would do it on my car anyway, far too many mods. no on my car the Adjustable FPR is fitted to the bulkhead near the clutch reservoir, the hose then goes across to the rear of the rail, passing through the lifting eye to keep it as high as possible above the exhaust manifold.

Thank's for the heads up though...:)

cheers

Pete

 
presumably a fellow classic car enthusiast. ! tsk tsk what is the World coming to eh .

You might try giving Steve Strange a call he's always breaking 944

 
Took a picture after giving it a good thrashing.....new centre exhaust makes a much more throaty noise than the old one.

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