what did you do to your 944 today

[Dan944t]

Cheers Pete,

not gonna be easy with 3 under 5 now though especially all the work I still want to do on the car happy days though! I’m going to see how it behaves once driven and I change the grade of oil after run in.

cheers Jim,

good to know someone may have some spares for sale if needs be the criminal thing is when I was 20 I drove around with a 944 complete engine I. Bits in the boot of my old 5 series , to the point I scraped the hole lot becuase I needed my boot back and had no where to store it.

perfect opertunately to create a light weight race engine or just for spares ,just scrapped Weird and frustrating in hiend sight!

 

[Waylander]

INA 16v Golf lifters are the same dimensions and a full set is £68

That's for 16

I remember when my car was laid for a while it took at least 10 mins for one lifter to shut up, if I don't use the car for a week or two it comes back sometimes, depends where the cam stops when I turn the car off

 

[Dan944t]

INA 16v Golf lifters are the same dimensions and a full set is £68

That's for 16

I remember when my car was laid for a while it took at least 10 mins for one lifter to shut up, if I don't use the car for a week or two it comes back sometimes, depends where the cam stops when I turn the car off

That is very interesting about the golf having the same dimensions.

And yes I never heard mine make a noise in all the years I had it before the rebuild it was only wheb I didn’t drive the car for 3 years.im just assuming that as long as it gets pumped up with oil preasure ( noise disappears ) then you won’t feel any performance loss and the valves will still open the right amount? And if it stays noisy then you need to worry and change it?

 

[Eldavo]

INA 16v Golf lifters are the same dimensions and a full set is £68

That's for 16

I remember when my car was laid for a while it took at least 10 mins for one lifter to shut up, if I don't use the car for a week or two it comes back sometimes, depends where the cam stops when I turn the car off

Is that for the 16v or 8v head though?

I have a couple of squidgy ones with the cam cover off currently, was going to attempt to rebuild them unless there’s a reasonably priced alternative either new or from Jim

 

[PSH]

I took the car out to get some fuel today, God, that was a better tonic than anything the doctor can prescribe... Interestingly, on the way home I felt some heat coming through the vents, I put the fan on full and had some very decent heat output which is a little confusing, it then tailed off to a warm effect by the time I got home some 10 minutes later. this led me to wonder, just what the hell is going on with my heating? you can see that the large flaps in the middle vent are working which at least shows something is working. I did switch on the demister to clear the windscreen at the beginning of my journey ( fuel station is only 20 mins away) and I noted some warm air coming through the vents with the demister on which quickly dispersed?, nothing like what I experienced later after it had been switched off again?

Regarding the lazy lifter, I'm still struggling with this as it just doesn't sound like a lifter me (I've heard stuck lifters and this is nothing like it), my son, however, is sure that it is a lifter, it sounds too 'tinny' to me and it's gone instantly? The cause may go undiscovered until my son has time to get the car up on the ramps and give it a good check over, it's a metal to metal contact sound but it resonates, if that makes sense? the closest that I can think of to describe it is like a fan blade tip clipping something and then pushing whatever it is away, it's only there on first startup with makes it more confusing? Not sure it would be right to say it's a cold thing, what i mean is, yes the engine is always cold when first started but to think it's something that once hot goes away may be misleading. I can go back out in the car after some hours when technically the engine is 'cold' and the sound wouldn't be there? I'll be going out late this afternoon and I know that the sound will not be there.

Basically when I turn the key, the engine fires up, there's a squeak which we think is the power steering belt and this 'clang' sound, perhaps 2 or 3 high pitched metallic sounds, very shortly spaced and all gone within a second or two? Both sounds start and disappear together but not sure if they are linked? It is a bit of a head bender to say the least...

Pete

 

[Eldavo]

Sounds awful Pete, think you should sell me the car for pennies now before it gets worse. I’ll chuck in a bag of Wotsits if you deliver x

 

[PSH]

Sounds awful Pete, think you should sell me the car for pennies now before it gets worse. I’ll chuck in a bag of Wotsits if you deliver x

haha.. that made me smile Dave, thank's for that...... ah but the sound of it popping on overrun and just the instant response and pure power that can be felt with the slightest pressure on the right foot will make me cling on to it until the end... mind you SWMBO keeps making noises when she see's values discussed like...'is your car really worth that much'? with £ signs in her eyes, good job you guys don't have her number....

 

[Dan944t]

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I took the car out to get some fuel today, God, that was a better tonic than anything the doctor can prescribe... Interestingly, on the way home I felt some heat coming through the vents, I put the fan on full and had some very decent heat output which is a little confusing, it then tailed off to a warm effect by the time I got home some 10 minutes later. this led me to wonder, just what the hell is going on with my heating? you can see that the large flaps in the middle vent are working which at least shows something is working. I did switch on the demister to clear the windscreen at the beginning of my journey ( fuel station is only 20 mins away) and I noted some warm air coming through the vents with the demister on which quickly dispersed?, nothing like what I experienced later after it had been switched off again?

Regarding the lazy lifter, I'm still struggling with this as it just doesn't sound like a lifter me (I've heard stuck lifters and this is nothing like it), my son, however, is sure that it is a lifter, it sounds too 'tinny' to me and it's gone instantly? The cause may go undiscovered until my son has time to get the car up on the ramps and give it a good check over, it's a metal to metal contact sound but it resonates, if that makes sense? the closest that I can think of to describe it is like a fan blade tip clipping something and then pushing whatever it is away, it's only there on first startup with makes it more confusing? Not sure it would be right to say it's a cold thing, what i mean is, yes the engine is always cold when first started but to think it's something that once hot goes away may be misleading. I can go back out in the car after some hours when technically the engine is 'cold' and the sound wouldn't be there? I'll be going out late this afternoon and I know that the sound will not be there.

Basically when I turn the key, the engine fires up, there's a squeak which we think is the power steering belt and this 'clang' sound, perhaps 2 or 3 high pitched metallic sounds, very shortly spaced and all gone within a second or two? Both sounds start and disappear together but not sure if they are linked? It is a bit of a head bender to say the least...

Pete

I too have a screach on rev untill it’s warm which I thought was my main front shell at first! ( rebuild paranoi ) but later saw that my power alternator/compressor belt was very baggy so that put my mind at rest there.

i also had a clat clat noise untill maybe 5 minutes which sounded like a loose belt clattering in the belt covers which I checked but all was well. It sounded like it was in the cam front cover so I even remooved and double checked the torque in the cam pully but all it good.

I put this noise down down to the lazy lifter which I knew I had one that wasn’t pumped up on rebuild even though I tried to soak in oil before I installed. This noise resonates as you say like something hard and plastic hitting something hard and hollow sharply like something colliding with something inside the covers.

i would tighten up your belts that are loose Pete and check the sound again , but my money would be on the lifter as that’s what I think mine is.

So so frustrating becuase I’ve never had this problem before only since the engine hadn’t been started for 3 years.

Oh and that feeling you describe Pete is exactly what I’m missing in my life and long for again to ease my worries away for that moment anyway bet that was linked with a heavy foot back from the petrol station

 

[PSH]

Belts were checked yesterday Dan, no problem there, I don't get chance to rev the engine, never get near the throttle, the sound disappears almost immediately. It's not an internal engine noise as in something in the block, plus there's no symptoms to suggest it could be. Engine runs fine, no misfires, no smoke, no burning of oil, no loss of oil from leaks either. I have a small steering fluid leak which is on the list of 'things to do' If the alternator wasn't new (well 3 years old) i'd think excessively worn bearings. Once the warmer weather gets here I'll get my hands dirty and see what I can find. I'd try testing with a stethoscope around various locations but I could only do that once a day, as like I said, the sound is gone once started and for subsequent starts until it's been standing for a day or two, yes this would suggest 'lifter' but if so? it sounds like no lifter sound that I've heard before nor does it act the same way, IE: takes a few minutes to pump up and clear.

No heavy right foot sir but the wheels did start to loose grip a little, lots of torque.. I doubt I used more than 40% throttle for the whole trip, I was just enjoying the drive, I should have checked the log before switching off...

 

[Dan944t]

Yes sounds frustrating if it disappears quickly.

And not a situation I would bother tripping the cam tower for till things showed them self more of where i t could be coming from?

hopefully with a Oil flush and fresh oil it disappears , I wonder if it’s so very slightly lazy and leaking the oil in a later just enough to hear a difference in sound, but then it wouldn’t make sense that it builds oil preasure that quick and disappears ( unless it’s just a lifter that has just turnt bad with lack of use?)

i hate a guessing game!And hope you find the culprit mate , do let us know if you do.

atb

Daniel

 

[PSH]

I've just been playing around, it's clearly making the noise sooner than before?.. it's nothing to do with the engine...it's coming from under the car, near the bell housing, at least that's where it seems to be loudest. Perhaps it's a torque tube bearing as this is still original and I have suspected(mentioned) in the past that this may need my attention at some point in the future. It would certainly explain the rattle in a can type of sound, why it would disappear after a second or two I'm not sure. I tried starting the car with the clutch depressed which did seem to lesson it a little, also with the car in gear, or was it just my imagination? I'm not sure though if it was me pressing the clutch or the fact that the car was warming a little? I ran the car for 5 minutes , switched off and tried again and there was no noise? which kind of rules out bearing...perhaps? When I can I'll get under the car to have a good look, it could just as easily be something exhaust related, that would explain why it disappears once warm? again..perhaps?...

Pete

 

[Dan944t]

what About the starter teeth retracting slow and clipping the flywheel teeth?

have a check of battery power when you get a minute min day or two, weathers cold which could have a bearing on things ?

 

[PSH]

I would expect starter teeth to be a lower sound, more 'clunk' than 'clang', battery was fully charged as I had taken it off to charge as it hadn't been used for 8 weeks, plus it's built in indicator is green showing 'fully charged'. IIRC the starter is new, most things were renewed when the car was put back on the road 3 1/2 years ago

 

[Waylander]

could well be the starter bendix not releasing fast enough cos its cold and possibly full of clutch dust, quite a common thing.

can you get it to do it more than once before it warms up? and if you need your starter rebuilt send it to me.

 

[blade7]

Occasionally I just get a click from the starter, and it then works when I turn the key again. Once though I had to rock the car with it in gear for it to start?

 

[PSH]

could well be the starter bendix not releasing fast enough cos its cold and possibly full of clutch dust, quite a common thing.

can you get it to do it more than once before it warms up? and if you need your starter rebuilt send it to me.

I played around this afternoon and yes it made the noise each time I started the car , I did this for a number of minutes with the noise getting slightly less each time, assumingly as parts warmed up?

I would certainly like it to be the starter as it's the easiest option...

 

[Dan944t]

seeing as it’s not a difficult task I would hack one side up on stands and remove the starter inspect and clean and spray some grease or even some wd40 and just see if the noise dissapears As a trial measure.

Simple and quick to do but understand not everyone can drag them self’s under the car espeacially in this weather. Or just get your son to do it on the ramp will be super quick on there.

Daniel

 

[PSH]

seeing as it’s not a difficult task I would hack one side up on stands and remove the starter inspect and clean and spray some grease or even some wd40 and just see if the noise dissapears As a trial measure.

Simple and quick to do but understand not everyone can drag them self’s under the car espeacially in this weather. Or just get your son to do it on the ramp will be super quick on there.

Daniel

Haha, simple for some maybe, very simple for me 5 years ago, alas my days of getting under cars are history, among many health problems, two frozen shoulders makes it impossible to try and use a spanner in confined spaces, it will have to wait until son number 1 has time to take a look at it.. the joys of getting old...lol

Pete

 

[Dan944t]

I wish life wasn’t so hectic Pete I would have offered to come over and do it for you no problem! With kids now days even I find getting an hour to myself impossible hence I was rebuilding my engine at night till early morning once the kids were asleep

hopefully it’s something as simple as this mate, and hope you can get all your bits done that are on the list.

I cant wait for the longer warmer days to come back so I can have the extra time to finish mine off as this season is terrible and the want to go outside and get the tools out just isn’t very appealung once the kids are in bed, although I will have to drag myself out to fit the new rad when it arrives even if I do and hour every other night

 

[PSH]

that's very kind of you Dan but I couldn't allow that, I try to be as independent as i can. Hopefully my son will find some time, he did promise that he'd make time this year, I can but hope....he's a very busy lad with his own problems to sort. in the meantime I have a steam loco to finish building...

Kind regards

Pete