718 Cayman GT4 is here – at long last.!

[Motorhead]

More money than sense? I'm sure that he's not the only one or the flippers wouldn't be in business.

I'm sure that Porsche will still hold back on supply to a certain extent to protect the GT "aura", although their VAG masters are probably pushing for supply to meet demand to pay the massive Dieselgate fines and to finance the very costly BEV development programme.

Jeff

 

[MAD07]

I do hope they stay a little special, I'm a tad disappointed they are going to be over shadowed so soon.

I plan to put 100,000 miles on mine by 2060 when I pass it on to my not yet born grandson/daughter.

 

[Twinfan]

They were never going to be as special as an RS, but they're still a GT car at the end of the day and there won't be 5000+ on UK roads.

Even with increased numbers, there isn't the build slot capacity at the factory to do more than say 1000 cars for us? There were 602 981 GT4s registered in the UK.

 

[MAD07]

I just need to tell the wife now.......

Note to self, flowers on the way home.

 

[Twinfan]

My wife's a car nut too so we both went in to do my final spec. We spent most of the time talking cars and Porsche with my Sales Associate, the Parts Manager and the Dealer Principal!

Her Focus RS in Nitrous Blue stood out in the car park somewhat...

 

[Motorhead]

I reckon the RS is some way off yet; perhaps a 718 run-out model. It's bound to be PDK and we need to see that introduced first, most likely on the 718-6 and then the GT4/Spyder which is expected Q3 or Q4 2020.

Like Dave points out, I can't see there being thousands of UK GT4s running around. I'm sure that the 718-6 will have much greater appeal to those who don't want or need the motorsport bias of the GT4.

Jeff

 

[Motorhead]

They were never going to be as special as an RS, but they're still a GT car at the end of the day and there won't be 5000+ on UK roads.

Even with increased numbers, there isn't the build slot capacity at the factory to do more than say 1000 cars for us? There were 602 981 GT4s registered in the UK.

There's going to be a lot of demand for all the naturally aspirated mid-engined cars in Europe, and especially in the all important US market.

We've touched on this before but I'm not sure there's much excess capacity on the Osnabrück Cayman production line, although I assume that it would be possible to supplement production by using the Boxster line at Stuttgart if capacity was available there.

Jeff

 

[ralphmusic]

Jeff,

There is just the one line for sports cars in Stuttgart.

 

[Motorhead]

Thanks Ralph.

With high demand for the 992 with all its variants, I doubt that there's any excess capacity.

Jeff

 

[Steve Brookes]

More money than sense? I'm sure that he's not the only one or the flippers wouldn't be in business.

I'm sure that Porsche will still hold back on supply to a certain extent to protect the GT "aura", although their VAG masters are probably pushing for supply to meet demand to pay the massive Dieselgate fines and to finance the very costly BEV development programme.

Jeff

Possibly a bit harsh on the buyer chap Jeff! From his postings on PH about buying the slot he comes across (to me) as someone who wants to own and enjoy a new GT4 and made a calculated decision that the £10K extra is worth it. He's actually paying the same sort of premium that some of us paid to get a two year old GT4. And he's even getting to spec a new car for himself. His train of thought is the same as mine was in that I paid overs for a car I really wanted and didn't have to buy cars I didn't want, losing a lot of a cash on them in depreciation, in order to be given the opportunity to buy a new one.

While it might be true that he could have saved himself £10K by waiting a year or two to get his own allocation (because the rumour is that there will be plenty to go round) it's not really a significant amount when buying cars at this level. If he sells it in a couple of years (when they will probably be still trading at list) he might only lose that £10K which in terms of depreciation is not much more than 5% per annum. Which is pretty good going for any new car.

However, as for the flipper that had the slot originally and simply made 100% interest on a £10K deposit within a few weeks....there are no words harsh enough to say about their actions!

 

[Twinfan]

I've just posted these very rough calculations over on PH, but as they're relevant to the current chat I'll post them here too:

As a rough guess, one car per month per OPC seems about the level at the moment for GT4s. Over the suggested production run, that would be 2019: 3 x 35 = 105 2020: 12 x 35 = 420 2021: 12 x 35 = 420 2022: 6 x 35 = 210 That's approx 1200 UK cars, or twice as many as last time, over 3 years. There were 600 UK 981 GT4s built over 12 month period (mid 2015 - mid 2016) with many non-GT Cayster slots being re-allocated to GT4 builds instead.

I can't see 718 GT4s trading a list or over list in a couple of years. You may even be able to walk into a showroom and order one.

 

[MAD07]

Just to wee wee on the fire a tad, Silverstone will be getting 3 per month.

So if the others are having the same volume that figure will obviously triple.

 

[Twinfan]

I suspect that not every centre will get that many, but clearly there will be plenty to go round this time []

 

[Fletch88]

Good comment Steve

yet again people pissing on someone's dream - could those with the strong opinions and obviously think they work for porsche and are experts please explain what satisfaction they get from their comments. Would love to have a personal chat at a porsche meet, to understand what drives your comments and desire to upset people

 

[Motorhead]

More money than sense? I'm sure that he's not the only one or the flippers wouldn't be in business.

I'm sure that Porsche will still hold back on supply to a certain extent to protect the GT "aura", although their VAG masters are probably pushing for supply to meet demand to pay the massive Dieselgate fines and to finance the very costly BEV development programme.

Jeff

Possibly a bit harsh on the buyer chap Jeff! From his postings on PH about buying the slot he comes across (to me) as someone who wants to own and enjoy a new GT4 and made a calculated decision that the £10K extra is worth it. He's actually paying the same sort of premium that some of us paid to get a two year old GT4. And he's even getting to spec a new car for himself. His train of thought is the same as mine was in that I paid overs for a car I really wanted and didn't have to buy cars I didn't want, losing a lot of a cash on them in depreciation, in order to be given the opportunity to buy a new one.

While it might be true that he could have saved himself £10K by waiting a year or two to get his own allocation (because the rumour is that there will be plenty to go round) it's not really a significant amount when buying cars at this level. If he sells it in a couple of years (when they will probably be still trading at list) he might only lose that £10K which in terms of depreciation is not much more than 5% per annum. Which is pretty good going for any new car.

However, as for the flipper that had the slot originally and simply made 100% interest on a £10K deposit within a few weeks....there are no words harsh enough to say about their actions!

Not meant as a personal criticism of the chap Steve; just a generic comment. I've not read his PH post so can't comment on his reasons - and thankfully everyone's free to do as they please - but the point I really was trying to make about flippers I think you have covered eloquently in your last sentence.

Jeff

 

[Motorhead]

I've just posted these very rough calculations over on PH, but as they're relevant to the current chat I'll post them here too:

As a rough guess, one car per month per OPC seems about the level at the moment for GT4s. Over the suggested production run, that would be 2019: 3 x 35 = 105 2020: 12 x 35 = 420 2021: 12 x 35 = 420 2022: 6 x 35 = 210 That's approx 1200 UK cars, or twice as many as last time, over 3 years. There were 600 UK 981 GT4s built over 12 month period (mid 2015 - mid 2016) with many non-GT Cayster slots being re-allocated to GT4 builds instead.

I can't see 718 GT4s trading a list or over list in a couple of years. You may even be able to walk into a showroom and order one.

That sounds like a reasonable starting point Dave. As Mark has pointed out, I'm sure that there will be differences in allocations across the dealer network with time, perhaps with the larger dealerships getting more cars. At the moment there's no competition for F-6 engined slots but that's bound to change when the 718-6 comes along.

Jeff

 

[ChrisW]

More money than sense? I'm sure that he's not the only one or the flippers wouldn't be in business.

I'm sure that Porsche will still hold back on supply to a certain extent to protect the GT "aura", although their VAG masters are probably pushing for supply to meet demand to pay the massive Dieselgate fines and to finance the very costly BEV development programme.

Jeff

Possibly a bit harsh on the buyer chap Jeff! From his postings on PH about buying the slot he comes across (to me) as someone who wants to own and enjoy a new GT4 and made a calculated decision that the £10K extra is worth it. He's actually paying the same sort of premium that some of us paid to get a two year old GT4. And he's even getting to spec a new car for himself. His train of thought is the same as mine was in that I paid overs for a car I really wanted and didn't have to buy cars I didn't want, losing a lot of a cash on them in depreciation, in order to be given the opportunity to buy a new one.

While it might be true that he could have saved himself £10K by waiting a year or two to get his own allocation (because the rumour is that there will be plenty to go round) it's not really a significant amount when buying cars at this level. If he sells it in a couple of years (when they will probably be still trading at list) he might only lose that £10K which in terms of depreciation is not much more than 5% per annum. Which is pretty good going for any new car.

However, as for the flipper that had the slot originally and simply made 100% interest on a £10K deposit within a few weeks....there are no words harsh enough to say about their actions!

I am really pleased to see that it appears Porsche Dealers are again allocating new GT cars on a reasonable time frame to normal Porsche customers.

For anybody reading some of my recent comments and considering them critical, this has to be viewed through the lens of my now being a disaffected Porsche enthusiast following my dealer telling me that I would not get at new GT4 because I hadn't bought enough new cars from them.

Since then I have bought two new non-Porsche cars, substantially modified my existing GT4, and added two classic cars to my garage without ever thinking about calling in to my local OPC.

Maybe the adverse comment is starting to have some effect ... I would like a GT4RS but I won't cry into my beer if my OPC is still using the "how many new cars that you didn't really want" metric against which to allocate their GT car slots. I'll enjoy taking the new car on in my old GT4

On this journey I have discovered that complete exciting cars can be bought new --- almost for less than the extra cost from Porsche of the desireable extras that are standard kit on the aforementioned complete exciting cars.

(I hope that makes sense.)

As a counterpoise to this, I have just received a re-call of the GT4 to ameliorate a potential fault on an airbag control unit, -- Porsche have therefore offered a software fix and a warranty extension to 10 years on the aforementioned control unit. Class.

... Not sure how to correct this, sorry !

 

[geoff lane]

Just to wee wee on the fire a tad, Silverstone will be getting 3 per month.

So if the others are having the same volume that figure will obviously triple.

Not sure I agree, I know Exeter only had 2 slots for the 2019 allocations and Tewkesbury had 3 which is more in line with 1 per month.

I cannot see 3000 plus GT cars I would tend to go with David's opinion but lets see.

 

[snowy999]

[attachment=832B785B-62A9-47C2...4D29F5B12A0(1).jpeg] This was in West London Porsche today. Not sure why people have been negative about how it looks. This is one gorgeous car ! Except it needs Gold wheels !

say it later being carefully driven around Acton !

 

[Nick_USA]

This was in West London Porsche today. Not sure why people have been negative about how it looks. This is one gorgeous car ! Except it needs Gold wheels !

saw it later being carefully driven around Acton !

This was in East London on Thursday, but isn't anymore []