4 OPC cars is 3 to many for my personal liking [] Nice normal average low mileage Spyders can only sell in the current market if the asking price begins with a 3 Late 3's for 2011 cars and mid 3's for 2010 cars irrespective of the exact specification When I went to the PEC for two of the many Spyder test days I was convinced of several things those days in no particular order:- If I bought my 11th Porsche brand new I was guaranteed a massive depreciation deal and a headache to place the vehicle with the next owner should I decide not to keep car indefinitely as was and is the plan Carbon seats top of my wish list were going to be serious deal breakers when selling on[] Anyone can live with the standard heated sport seat but only certain people would and could live with the racey carbon standard option Roof for a daily driver was another deal breaker too and even though I had lunch one day with 4 like minded owners who's Boxsters were all low mileage 2nd or even 3rd cars they were still not hooked by the look v the compromises and substantially higher list price especially when air con was added back Armed with all this info I decided to wait a year and see how the sales and numbers panned out and if my limited market research related to the real world As they say the rest is history and I bought a 10 month old 1035 miles example for £16k below original list which means dealer probably paid list less £20-22k at the time[] and sadly I didn't get the dream chairs either but on the upside I did get full leather interior and then a load of stuff I would never have ordered sat nav and auto dimming mirrors to name just 2 Two years on and the prices seem to have held firm as the cars have disappeared and the mileages have very slowly crept up to 8-15k milers being the norm It also seems unless you are an OPC or well respected Porsche indi these cars sell quite slowly and must be priced in the £3's [:-] nobody seems to sell them for £4's unless they are literally brand new examples with just a few thousand miles IMO Carbon seats, sports seats, manuals, pdk's, etc in a limited market place seem further down the must have lists for the time being and if I was looking today I would be putting low miles and FPSH right at the top of my wish list Mr Demon as a new proud Kman R owner how are they fairing v Spyders and await your back to back driving experiences please []ORIGINAL: MrDemon they wont sell them and they dealers will get scared of them again. I would not buy those in and put them at 42k with no buckets or PDK those need to be 35k cars. do they still NOT know the market ?
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Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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or xenons[] i wonder if ms sharapova could be persuaded to do some factory tours brian??[]ORIGINAL: kitchens http://ucl.porsche.de/ucl/plsql/uk/clients.show_cars?reihe_=98X&art_=boxspy&bauart_=all&vpreis_=&bpreis_=&vezl_=&bezl_=&postcode=&pcenter=&sid_=07262600R1262L1UD8AJSZ86SRHBU10&styp_=s And then there are FOUR and not one with buckets
I wish you would stop stating your opinion as fact! There is no evidence that buckets and manual are essential buyers requirements for a Spyder!ORIGINAL: MrDemon they wont sell them and they dealers will get scared of them again. I would not buy those in and put them at 42k with no buckets or PDK those need to be 35k cars. do they still NOT know the market ?
Now there are FIVE![] [link=http://ucl.porsche.de/ucl/plsql/uk/clients.show_cars?reihe_=98X&art_=boxspy&bauart_=all&vpreis_=&bpreis_=&vezl_=&bezl_=&postcode=&pcenter=&sid_=07550313D4STCIOQPB5UAOGWK7631FO&styp_=s]http://ucl.porsche.de/ucl/plsql/uk/clients.show_cars?reihe_=98X&art_=boxspy&bauart_=all&vpreis_=&bpreis_=&vezl_=&bezl_=&postcode=&pcenter=&sid_=07550313D4STCIOQPB5UAOGWK7631FO&styp_=s[/link]ORIGINAL: kitchens [link=http://ucl.porsche.de/ucl/plsql/uk/clients.show_cars?reihe_=98X&art_=boxspy&bauart_=all&vpreis_=&bpreis_=&vezl_=&bezl_=&postcode=&pcenter=&sid_=07262600R1262L1UD8AJSZ86SRHBU10&styp_=s]http://ucl.porsche.de/ucl/plsql/uk/clients.show_cars?reihe_=98X&art_=boxspy&bauart_=all&vpreis_=&bpreis_=&vezl_=&bezl_=&postcode=&pcenter=&sid_=07262600R1262L1UD8AJSZ86SRHBU10&styp_=s[/link] And then there are FOUR and not one with buckets
Lol ok, the manual cars with buckets don't even make it to OPC sales as people have their names down at OPC's. Like wise Cayman R sell in 1 to 2 days in the right spec, the 9 cars for sale are all non buckets, PDK or wrong wheels. The price range on the right spec cars are very high over the wrong spec cars. But I know 4 new owners with manual, bucket seated cars with Spyder wheels that did not make it to OPC sales. It's pretty much fact that these cars have to have the big 3, buckets, manual, Spyder wheels, Add in PSE and full leather and the cars are gone. The 5 Spyder cars for sale are just not the specs the market wants. Yes there will be cars sold and bought without, but expect much lower prices and longer sale times. Some dealers get it, some still have no clue.ORIGINAL: homerdogI wish you would stop stating your opinion as fact! There is no evidence that buckets and manual are essential buyers requirements for a Spyder!ORIGINAL: MrDemon they wont sell them and they dealers will get scared of them again. I would not buy those in and put them at 42k with no buckets or PDK those need to be 35k cars. do they still NOT know the market ?
kitchens
PCGB Member
Been to a club cleaning day today and the car was gleaming at the end of the day ....then the drive home [] never seen rain like it and guess what dry as a bone inside the cabin and just a few spots in the rear bulkhead where the lever is ,must run off the scarf and into the rear ...so very impressed .I suppose it also has to do with the direction the wind is coming from but at 60mph in a monsoon it works for me []. Brian
Brian that is not the sort of story I like to hear [][] Unlike my 89 Speedster the 2010 Spyders didn't come with a similar non water tight hood disclaimer although if I recall it did advise against going through an automatic car wash[] Andrew K who sometimes posts on here drove 100's of miles back home day one in his then brand new Spyder and experienced torrential rain and a completely water tight cabin too I hope I never have to experience that nightmare myself [&o] Trust you have put the car away all sparkling clean once again []ORIGINAL: kitchens Been to a club cleaning day today and the car was gleaming at the end of the day ....then the drive home [] never seen rain like it and guess what dry as a bone inside the cabin and just a few spots in the rear bulkhead where the lever is ,must run off the scarf and into the rear ...so very impressed .I suppose it also has to do with the direction the wind is coming from but at 60mph in a monsoon it works for me []. Brian
I’ve come back from a 3 great days of Porsche-Clubbing so catching up with the topics here rather than challenging anyone’s opinion. Wasn’t sure I understood the question of whether anyone has weighed their Spyder so I am not claiming to answer that question when I say I really couldn’t care what my Spyder weighs. The car turns me into a half decent driver with its stability and predictability. I’ve just driven some great roads in Wales and then had a great time at the Angelsey track day with a great bunch of guys. “Living the dream…†[8D]
But more on that later… I know there are opinions around optioning extras onto a Spyder and diminishing the weight reduction. Weight reduction is only part of what enhances the Spyder IMO. The other elements are: Lowering the centre of gravity by losing weight in the right places. Revised suspension and chassis. The reduced ride height. If you take just the roof: -21kg, aluminium doors: -15kg, aluminium engine cover: -3kg, lightweight fuel tank: -7kg, Spyder wheels -5kg and interior trim: -2kg, that’s -53kg alone. The debates about radio and air con delete is over a relatively smaller amount of weight, than the ‘de-facto’ 53kg (Factor in the 12kg for the carbon fibre bucket seats and that’s 65kg vs the radio and air con). Regards to going for PCM, climate control etc, if you’d option those on your Spyder and would option those on an S, they add weight to both cars. The weight debate can go on and on but as I say it’s only one contributing factor to enhancing the car’s dynamics. Whatever my car weighs, it was great on track and on twisty roads with much of that due to how they’ve refined the suspension and chassis, how much of a lower centre of gravity you get from the ‘at least’ 53kg weight loss (as well as the weight loss itself reducing inertia under acceleration, braking and turning). As for sports seats vs bucket seats, there’s 5 OPC cars on sale with sports seats. Whether the OPC’s spec’d these cars or not, they have found happy homes for the last 3 years. Out of the 9 Spyder owners who frequent here, 4 of them have sports seats and for at least 2 of them, sports seats were a must have. IMHO there is a clear market for both even if the markets might not be the same size. There’s also a group who will take a car with either, if they have other more important criteria. I’d like buckets because I like how they hold but I have plenty of fun without them. Market supply and demand cycles around unpredictably. Who’s to say that in years to come, owners with sports seats keep their cars for longer as they can still climb out of them when they’re older, or because their wives don’t force them to sell them because they can get out of the car without showing their underwear[]. Then the ones with sports seats would be in shorter supply for those who really need them. No grounds for or against that fictitious theory. PDK vs manual is a personal thing. As the world moves more and more towards PDK, who’s to say that the classic, 20year old Boxster Spyder is favoured more with PDK than manual as more in keeping with the favoured technology that the car will be owned alongside in future times. Who’s to say that manual will be favoured more for nostalgia in future times when manual will be rarely available. Then again, who’s to say that everyone will think the same way. With such a small number of cars I reckon there’s someone out there for any car, except those that have been butchered with grotesque visual personalisation modifications. We’ve certainly seen a lot of Spyders of different specs shift in the last few months and most with a similar asking price. We may even see numbers for sale at OPC’s climb as the OPC’s work hard to source these cars. Even last year when I was looking, an OPC was contacting a guy to see if he wanted to sell his Spyder because they knew he had multiple cars and didn’t use it much. There may be more of that going on and OPC numbers may climb. Also, the more there are for sale the less people will rush, so we may see some of these 5 cars for a little while. Just my opinion. Brian, glad to hear your roof didn’t leak under monsoon rain and wind[]. Water will flow down the rear screen into the drains as it’s designed to seal the cabin and channel any water down there. If the rear deck lid is covered in water, you'll also send more water down there if you lift the rear deck lid to have a look[] But isn't it great that a car designed first and foremost as roofless, has a hood that has had as much thought put into how that performs[]. My journey home from the dealership was also in bad rain and after that I’ve never mollycoddled the car[].
So, where to start? Here is a good place!
Back home after an incredible weekend involving some of the country's greatest driving roads, our own private top class race track, 4 Spyders in total, 214 Porsches on a Prom and great banter with some top guys. Friday afternoon was spent here:
Friday night line up:
Ready for Saturday morning's early start. So early I took a photograph of a bag for you all.
But the early start was worth it because we got this place all to ourselves:
Spyder was unbelievably good. Superb instruction from Merv revealed he had more than a little soft spot for the Spyder. It's grip was phenomenal. It was me that needed a rest, not the car!
Saturday night also spent at the famous inn but we missed you flat6. Got the money shot this morning though.
One or two Porsches made it to the prom at Llandudno.
Oh yeah, and would you believe Team Mangetout's latest recruit was generous enough to throw me the keys to this beauty at Anglesey and let me go out alone for a few laps? I still can't, oh my word, what a beast!!
And just for fun, look what was waiting for me in the en suite back home!
Daro, I appreciate the response on the weight of a Spyder. I am familiar with road test weight and how heavy individual components are. I was more interested in a real world, actual weight from an owner who has the roof on or stored and fuel in the car. My estimation would be for it to come in at around 1290kg......which is not bad considering all of the necessary safety equipment and fripperies such as 'leccy windows and carpets. Cheers.
Great response on the pro's and cons' and market demands etc []ORIGINAL: flat6 I’ve come back from a 3 great days of Porsche-Clubbing so catching up with the topics here rather than challenging anyone’s opinion. Wasn’t sure I understood the question of whether anyone has weighed their Spyder so I am not claiming to answer that question when I say I really couldn’t care what my Spyder weighs. The car turns me into a half decent driver with its stability and predictability. I’ve just driven some great roads in Wales and then had a great time at the Angelsey track day with a great bunch of guys. “Living the dream…†[8D]But more on that later… I know there are opinions around optioning extras onto a Spyder and diminishing the weight reduction. Weight reduction is only part of what enhances the Spyder IMO. The other elements are: Lowering the centre of gravity by losing weight in the right places. Revised suspension and chassis. The reduced ride height. If you take just the roof: -21kg, aluminium doors: -15kg, aluminium engine cover: -3kg, lightweight fuel tank: -7kg, Spyder wheels -5kg and interior trim: -2kg, that’s -53kg alone. The debates about radio and air con delete is over a relatively smaller amount of weight, than the ‘de-facto’ 53kg (Factor in the 12kg for the carbon fibre bucket seats and that’s 65kg vs the radio and air con). Regards to going for PCM, climate control etc, if you’d option those on your Spyder and would option those on an S, they add weight to both cars. The weight debate can go on and on but as I say it’s only one contributing factor to enhancing the car’s dynamics. Whatever my car weighs, it was great on track and on twisty roads with much of that due to how they’ve refined the suspension and chassis, how much of a lower centre of gravity you get from the ‘at least’ 53kg weight loss (as well as the weight loss itself reducing inertia under acceleration, braking and turning). As for sports seats vs bucket seats, there’s 5 OPC cars on sale with sports seats. Whether the OPC’s spec’d these cars or not, they have found happy homes for the last 3 years. Out of the 9 Spyder owners who frequent here, 4 of them have sports seats and for at least 2 of them, sports seats were a must have. IMHO there is a clear market for both even if the markets might not be the same size. There’s also a group who will take a car with either, if they have other more important criteria. I’d like buckets because I like how they hold but I have plenty of fun without them. Market supply and demand cycles around unpredictably. Who’s to say that in years to come, owners with sports seats keep their cars for longer as they can still climb out of them when they’re older, or because their wives don’t force them to sell them because they can get out of the car without showing their underwear[]. Then the ones with sports seats would be in shorter supply for those who really need them. No grounds for or against that fictitious theory. PDK vs manual is a personal thing. As the world moves more and more towards PDK, who’s to say that the classic, 20year old Boxster Spyder is favoured more with PDK than manual as more in keeping with the favoured technology that the car will be owned alongside in future times. Who’s to say that manual will be favoured more for nostalgia in future times when manual will be rarely available. Then again, who’s to say that everyone will think the same way. With such a small number of cars I reckon there’s someone out there for any car, except those that have been butchered with grotesque visual personalisation modifications. We’ve certainly seen a lot of Spyders of different specs shift in the last few months and most with a similar asking price. We may even see numbers for sale at OPC’s climb as the OPC’s work hard to source these cars. Even last year when I was looking, an OPC was contacting a guy to see if he wanted to sell his Spyder because they knew he had multiple cars and didn’t use it much. There may be more of that going on and OPC numbers may climb. Also, the more there are for sale the less people will rush, so we may see some of these 5 cars for a little while. Just my opinion. Brian, glad to hear your roof didn’t leak under monsoon rain and wind[]. Water will flow down the rear screen into the drains as it’s designed to seal the cabin and channel any water down there. If the rear deck lid is covered in water, you'll also send more water down there if you lift the rear deck lid to have a look[] But isn't it great that a car designed first and foremost as roofless, has a hood that has had as much thought put into how that performs[]. My journey home from the dealership was also in bad rain and after that I’ve never mollycoddled the car[].
It's not all about weight imo, It is about having a choice and if you want all the toys and sports seats the normal Boxsters a much better car to do it in. Which leaves a fully comfort speced Spyder in no mans land with a shit roof which 95% of people seem to hate. You can fit Spyder sus to a normal Boxster and have a car which feels as good with a great roof and use it as a only car winter and summer for 10k less money. My Cayman R is fully speced up with toys, it's a daily driver and it has no bespoke body work but is was cheaper than buying a S and adding shocks and bucket seats. The roof makes the Spyder not a daily driver and prob a 3rd car in a house hold, so you may as well have it as hard core as possible, which seems to go with sales and what is actually selling. The normal Boxster is such a good car, you really need to want a Spyder to pay a 10k premium.
Thanks for sharing your terrific weekend adventures and looks like your car made it home cleaner than Brian's []ORIGINAL: rob.kellock So, where to start? Here is a good place!Back home after an incredible weekend involving some of the country's greatest driving roads, our own private top class race track, 4 Spyders in total, 214 Porsches on a Prom and great banter with some top guys. Friday afternoon was spent here:Friday night line up:Ready for Saturday morning's early start. So early I took a photograph of a bag for you all.But the early start was worth it because we got this place all to ourselves:Spyder was unbelievably good. Superb instruction from Merv revealed he had more than a little soft spot for the Spyder. It's grip was phenomenal. It was me that needed a rest, not the car!Saturday night also spent at the famous inn but we missed you flat6. Got the money shot this morning though.One or two Porsches made it to the prom at Llandudno.Oh yeah, and would you believe Team Mangetout's latest recruit was generous enough to throw me the keys to this beauty at Anglesey and let me go out alone for a few laps? I still can't, oh my word, what a beast!!And just for fun, look what was waiting for me in the en suite back home!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-PORSCHE-BOXSTER-3-4-SPYDER-2DR-GEN-2-/321104647855?_trksid=p2046732.m2060&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D7299597425431322819%26pid%3D100040%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D2%26sd%3D350781925734%26 Another for you
Mr D I don't think the Spyder was all about toys or no toys. Your point about having a heavy spec Spyder might as well have a heavy spec Boxster also appiles to have a lightwieght Spyder have a no frills Boxster [&o] On paper and more importantly in the real world their are only fractions of a second performance gains but the feel of each model is as different as their looks When I was speccing up a brand new Spyder I had one spec in mind and it was very much a light weight spec apart from radio and air for next owner not me When I went to my 2 Spyder days at PEC to finalise colours etc I had the pleasure of driving probably the lightest Spyder you could get, OK it had the radio, but it also had ceramic brakes [] I also drove a full fat version running on the 911 Turbo Style wheels and have to confess both cars felt the same! My instructor that day pretty much repeated what flat6 has said .... it's the lower centre of gravity, the removal of the electric roof, chassis suspension changes and use of alloy panels that really makes the difference against the stop watch (0.01 secs maybe) but no difference what so ever against the seat of your pants feel and that was why both examples felt the same to me that day Long story short I didn't buy a brand new light weight due to my personal market research mentioned elsewhere and I bided my time and waited for a suitable used examples which by fete turned out to be a fat boy but armed with my driving experiences and the instructors opinions on light v heavier I parted with my cash and have never regretted a single mile For me the Spyders 2 main compromises (roof & ride comfort) are far out weighed by exotic car looks, the way the car feels on the road or track and exclusivity something you can't often say about many other Porsches Only yesterday whilst having a blast out to view the new kid on the block (F Type) I spent most my time talking to an interested party (also considering a 981 S) talking about the Spyder and what it is in the Porsche world especially as mine is only the 2nd one they had ever seen to date in the fleshORIGINAL: MrDemon It's not all about weight imo, It is about having a choice and if you want all the toys and sports seats the normal Boxsters a much better car to do it in. Which leaves a fully comfort speced Spyder in no mans land with a shit roof which 95% of people seem to hate. You can fit Spyder sus to a normal Boxster and have a car which feels as good with a great roof and use it as a only car winter and summer for 10k less money. My Cayman R is fully speced up with toys, it's a daily driver and it has no bespoke body work but is was cheaper than buying a S and adding shocks and bucket seats. The roof makes the Spyder not a daily driver and prob a 3rd car in a house hold, so you may as well have it as hard core as possible, which seems to go with sales and what is actually selling. The normal Boxster is such a good car, you really need to want a Spyder to pay a 10k premium.
I got to admit they are my thoughts exactly. After having a ride in Cecils Spyder on Saturday I was staggered how much better it was than my 987 2.7. Engine so much crisper with so much more power and the pick up was exceptional along with the brakes and turn in etc. I could feel all of this from the passenger side and at the time I thought I would love one of these if I could afford it, but then the reality of it made me think it would not be as practical as my Boxster for general use. I think they are the best looking car in the Porsche stable with the roof off, but with it on changes it to the other extreme. I know I'll probably get "flamed" on this string but it's just my opinion [8|]ORIGINAL: MrDemon It's not all about weight imo, It is about having a choice and if you want all the toys and sports seats the normal Boxsters a much better car to do it in. Which leaves a fully comfort speced Spyder in no mans land with a shit roof which 95% of people seem to hate. You can fit Spyder sus to a normal Boxster and have a car which feels as good with a great roof and use it as a only car winter and summer for 10k less money. My Cayman R is fully speced up with toys, it's a daily driver and it has no bespoke body work but is was cheaper than buying a S and adding shocks and bucket seats. The roof makes the Spyder not a daily driver and prob a 3rd car in a house hold, so you may as well have it as hard core as possible, which seems to go with sales and what is actually selling. The normal Boxster is such a good car, you really need to want a Spyder to pay a 10k premium.
No flames Andy what you have said goes along with what I learnt during my research but the kicker for me was nobody I spoke to about why they would never buy a Spyder used their regular Boxsters as daily drivers! Hence my deciding to buy used and lower the depreciation hit When I owned a brand new 89 Speedster for 14 years the arguments for and against when compared to a stock 911 Cabrio with many more toys for less money raged on and on for similar reasons but in reality and unlike Spyder v Boxster, the 89 Speedster was a far inferior driver to a 911 Cabrio [] Extremely heavy and slow steering and rock hard suspension that in real world didn't make the car user friendly at all and an awkward roof system not water tight compared to the standard cars full electric option but on the upside looks to die for and exclusivity 65 UK cars only and 2104 world wide The one trick Porsche missed with the Spyder they should have supplied cars to "firm customer orders only" and the numbers sold would have been nowhere near the 237 supplied but the PR and instant classic Porsche status would have far outweighed the extra profits made on 237 cars many of which were so seriously discounted the urban myth that they lost money on the venture may have a ring of truth to it in which case selling less cars officially could have resulted in making less lossesORIGINAL: Andy Fagan I got to admit they are my thoughts exactly. After having a ride in Cecils Spyder on Saturday I was staggered how much better it was than my 987 2.7. Engine so much crisper with so much more power and the pick up was exceptional along with the brakes and turn in etc. I could feel all of this from the passenger side and at the time I thought I would love one of these if I could afford it, but then the reality of it made me think it would not be as practical as my Boxster for general use. I think they are the best looking car in the Porsche stable with the roof off, but with it on changes it to the other extreme. I know I'll probably get "flamed" on this string but it's just my opinion [8|]
no one got the car at launch though est in the UK were it rains all the time (me inc, I laughed at it) , the dealers clearly did not either , trying to spec them like normal Boxster's and heated seats lol. it's taken 2+ years to start to get a following. now it's not about the weight as I 1st thought, though it's great pub talk, it's seems now about having a rare car in the right spec, which means, as silly as it is, if the cars not got Spyder wheels it sits for sale. could be a great bargin if a car has buckets and no spyder wheels, then add the wheels your self later. but the killer is still 6k for the buckets, then that starts to sound expensive. if you want a car which looks good , don't care about depreciation or resale , buy any of them as those cars will be great buys at sub 30k but the buyers atm seem to be ex Caterham and Lotus owners. Not sexy house wifes.
ORIGINAL: MrDemon The normal Boxster is such a good car, you really need to want a Spyder to pay a 10k premium.
+1 for everything Daro just said[] And I really really wanted a Spyder and have never ever wanted a Boxster AND I didn't pay a £10K premium. So i'm really really happy[8D] I think everyone who's got one is happy with the one they've got, why they've got it and what they get out of it. And every Spyder owner obviously doesn't want one with a spec that they...erm... don't want, obviously[&:]. And everyone who doesn't want the hassle of a manual roof is... erm... not going to want one. That's OK too. I'm glad for the manual roof for 2 reasons. You couldn't create the look it has top down, if it had a mechanical roof. It'd be a tonneau cover like over the 997 Speedster, with flatter bulkier humps to provide storage for a mechanised roof. Also because the manual roof is not to everyone's liking and kept the sales numbers low and the exclusivity high[8D] Mine is a daily driver spec'd to carry a child seat and I make a lot of use of the roof and i'm really happy, as is everyone else with what they've got. Didn't Porsche make a comfort spec and clubsport spec (I don't know what they are officially called and don't have time to look) on the GT3 / GT2 cars, so that some people can spec whatever they need, rather than settle for a Carrera when they really wanted a GT3?ORIGINAL: daro911 Mr D I don't think the Spyder was all about toys or no toys. Your point about having a heavy spec Spyder might as well have a heavy spec Boxster also appiles to have a lightwieght Spyder have a no frills Boxster [&o] On paper and more importantly in the real world their are only fractions of a second performance gains but the feel of each model is as different as their looks When I was speccing up a brand new Spyder I had one spec in mind and it was very much a light weight spec apart from radio and air for next owner not me When I went to my 2 Spyder days at PEC to finalise colours etc I had the pleasure of driving probably the lightest Spyder you could get, OK it had the radio, but it also had ceramic brakes [] I also drove a full fat version running on the 911 Turbo Style wheels and have to confess both cars felt the same! My instructor that day pretty much repeated what flat6 has said .... it's the lower centre of gravity, the removal of the electric roof, chassis suspension changes and use of alloy panels that really makes the difference against the stop watch (0.01 secs maybe) but no difference what so ever against the seat of your pants feel and that was why both examples felt the same to me that day Long story short I didn't buy a brand new light weight due to my personal market research mentioned elsewhere and I bided my time and waited for a suitable used examples which by fete turned out to be a fat boy but armed with my driving experiences and the instructors opinions on light v heavier I parted with my cash and have never regretted a single mile For me the Spyders 2 main compromises (roof & ride comfort) are far out weighed by exotic car looks, the way the car feels on the road or track and exclusivity something you can't often say about many other Porsches Only yesterday whilst having a blast out to view the new kid on the block (F Type) I spent most my time talking to an interested party (also considering a 981 S) talking about the Spyder and what it is in the Porsche world especially as mine is only the 2nd one they had ever seen to date in the flesh
kitchens
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Directors of the Board of Porsche Club GB, Club Office Staff, Register Secretaries and Regional Organisers are often requested by Club members to provide information on matters connected with their cars and other matters referred to in the Club Rules. Such information, advice and assistance provided by such persons is given in good faith and is based on the personal experience and knowledge of the individual concerned.
Neither Porsche Club GB, nor any of the aforementioned, shall be under any liability in respect of any such information, advice or assistance given to members. Members are advised to consult qualified specialists for information, advice and assistance on matters connected with their cars at all times.