Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: flat6 Just goes to show that putting a value on these is still guess work. The Byfleet car is now very cheap and someone who's always wanted a Spyder but didn't have the budget can get in one with 2yr OPC for £35K. Silver has noticably been the colour people seem to crave after the least but for someone with other priorities it's now a bargain that will put plenty of smiles on the face of whoever buys it. PSE, PCM, Sports Chrono, manual box etc will tick someone's boxes even if they have to source some Spyder wheels. It's unfortunate that it's needed such a price drop to get someone to look at it but it seems colour is a very big factor.

Silver is still a popular colour on 981's and Silver was the classic 550 Spyder colour so it is very strange how it seems to be so out of favour on the Spyders today! If I hadn't had a Silver Speedster for 14 years followed by 4 Silver Boxsters my Spyder could have been Silver too[] I always wanted a White Boxster but each time I went to order the dealer warned me it would cost me at least £3000 come px time so I always backed off and went Silver [&o] So when White was back in favour and White was the launch colour for the Spyder my colour choice was limited to just 2 choices Aqua Blue or Carrera White and having decided to buy used limited me even further []

 

[flat6]

Silver is indeed a good colour and one I like and I recall seeing your cool Speedster pics with it hanging in the Porsche exhibition. Was the perfect colour for it and black Fuchs alloys go well. Personally I don't think it looks bad on a Spyder either & goes better with the red leather than any other imho.

I can only imagine that the other Spyder colours are the preferred flavour for cars of a certain character. E.g.

Maybe a contrasting wheel colour will spice up a silver Spyder but even on the GT3 that doesn't seem to work as well as the other colour options imho. Don't know why.

 

[flat6]

One for Steve Brookes []

 

[Andy Fagan]

Just been for a drive out on some of my local roads including the Evo triangle. They seem to have resurfaced the B543 in parts and there are lots of loose chippings so beware down there but the B4501 is still as good as ever [8D] Initial thoughts on the R are that it does handle exceptionally well although the front end seems to turn in well but goes light on bends over brows and undulations in the road at times. It feels like it is going to leap a foot or so left or right but it's probably only a few mill. On long fast bends the rear has a tendency to lean and bounce a bit at times but generally very acceptable. 6 speed Gearbox is nice with good ratios, it reminds me of the quaife CR box in the rally car only much quieter. It certainly drinks the gas when pushed and I didn't even have it in sport mode [:'(] all round and excellent car for a road car in standard trim and I'm sure I'll be more than happy. I hope it continues to bring a smile to my face every time I drive it!!

 

[kitchens]

ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan Just been for a drive out on some of my local roads including the Evo triangle. They seem to have resurfaced the B543 in parts and there are lots of loose chippings so beware down there but the B4501 is still as good as ever [8D] Initial thoughts on the R are that it does handle exceptionally well although the front end seems to turn in well but goes light on bends over brows and undulations in the road at times. It feels like it is going to leap a foot or so left or right but it's probably only a few mill. On long fast bends the rear has a tendency to lean and bounce a bit at times but generally very acceptable. 6 speed Gearbox is nice with good ratios, it reminds me of the quaife CR box in the rally car only much quieter. It certainly drinks the gas when pushed and I didn't even have it in sport mode [:'(] all round and excellent car for a road car in standard trim and I'm sure I'll be more than happy. I hope it continues to bring a smile to my face every time I drive it!!

Flat 6 will be interested in your road report .Glad you are enjoying it and the more you drive it the more you learn about the cars characteristics .. Saw the wee write up in PP page 118 No 1 spot well done all

 

[homerdog]

ORIGINAL: flat6 It doesn't look any better with time[:'(]

True!

ORIGINAL: flat6 The wider track might be interesting to drive if it's been done properly but with so little information on it it's likely to be purely a crude cosmetic mod with extreme wheels and spacers.

This is a list of the mods done to it - I imagine it's anything but crude, although not to my taste! 911 design custom headers 911 design custom front lip 911 desigh custom rear carbon wing 911 design Lightweight 12V lithium systems 911 design custom front/rear swaybars 911 design custom drop links kw v3 rss Toe Steer Kit lightweight carbon hood aerocatch Performance Developments ss brakeslines Performance Developments custom exhaust Performance Developments lightweight flywheel/racing clutch Performance Developments hi power CDI ignition Performance Developments race tune IPD Plenum cobra seats sparco shift knob sparco steering schroth harness belt remove all air bags gt3 brake ducts Shift Light

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: homerdog

ORIGINAL: flat6 It doesn't look any better with time[:'(]

True!

ORIGINAL: flat6 The wider track might be interesting to drive if it's been done properly but with so little information on it it's likely to be purely a crude cosmetic mod with extreme wheels and spacers.

This is a list of the mods done to it - I imagine it's anything but crude, although not to my taste! 911 design custom headers 911 design custom front lip 911 desigh custom rear carbon wing 911 design Lightweight 12V lithium systems 911 design custom front/rear swaybars 911 design custom drop links kw v3 rss Toe Steer Kit lightweight carbon hood aerocatch Performance Developments ss brakeslines Performance Developments custom exhaust Performance Developments lightweight flywheel/racing clutch Performance Developments hi power CDI ignition Performance Developments race tune IPD Plenum cobra seats sparco shift knob sparco steering schroth harness belt remove all air bags gt3 brake ducts Shift Light

Thanks homerdog. I don't know how much that lot costs but for me they picked the wrong car to throw it at.

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan Just been for a drive out on some of my local roads including the Evo triangle. They seem to have resurfaced the B543 in parts and there are lots of loose chippings so beware down there but the B4501 is still as good as ever [8D] Initial thoughts on the R are that it does handle exceptionally well although the front end seems to turn in well but goes light on bends over brows and undulations in the road at times. It feels like it is going to leap a foot or so left or right but it's probably only a few mill. On long fast bends the rear has a tendency to lean and bounce a bit at times but generally very acceptable. 6 speed Gearbox is nice with good ratios, it reminds me of the quaife CR box in the rally car only much quieter. It certainly drinks the gas when pushed and I didn't even have it in sport mode [:'(] all round and excellent car for a road car in standard trim and I'm sure I'll be more than happy. I hope it continues to bring a smile to my face every time I drive it!!

Hi Andy How does the handling compare to your old car and was that stock also? What do you think of Sport Mode? Some don't like it if they prefer more granular throttle control.

 

[Andy Fagan]

Hi Cecil It's certainly got a lot more power than the boxster. Handling is much better too, but I find you need to be far more precise with *ALL* the controls when pushing it as it reacts a lot sharper to all input. It will be interesting to get it on the track to see how different it is then. PS: I haven't tried the sport mode yet. Thought I get acclimatised to the basic car 1st []

 

[Andy Fagan]

On another note has anyone tried this wheel cleaner? http://www.bilthamber.com/cleaning-and-degreasing/auto-wheel-1

 

[kitchens]

ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan On another note has anyone tried this wheel cleaner? http://www.bilthamber.com/cleaning-and-degreasing/auto-wheel-1

Used a similar product by Angelwax products turns the wheels purple then washes of best with a power hose .Just be careful not do overdo it as i have noticed my tarmac in the back yard is stained taken the oil out of the tarmac around the washing area .certainly safer than Wonderwheels []

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan Handling is much better too, but I find you need to be far more precise with *ALL* the controls when pushing it as it reacts a lot sharper to all input.

That is certainly true. If you sneeze you will change lanes [] But after you've had it while it'll feel like "this car does exactly as it's told whereas others do do their best transfer your input to the road"[] Well, that's how I feel, you'll make your own mind up[] Don't forget that Sport Mode not only sharpens the throttle response but also backs off the Porsche Stability Management 'safety net', not as much as the 'PSM Off' button, but worth noting nonetheless.

 

[Andy Fagan]

ORIGINAL: flat6 Don't forget that Sport Mode not only sharpens the throttle response but also backs off the Porsche Stability Management 'safety net', not as much as the 'PSM Off' button, but worth noting nonetheless.

That's well worth knowing Cecil thanks

 

[MrDemon]

PSM off is still not PSM off though which is a shame, I can still get the light flashing on a fast run out. I only ever drive in sports mode , I really dislike the lazy throttle and the PSM cutting in on normal. Even In town I am 100% in sports mode. I seem to stall the car in normal mode because of the lag due to the switch on the clutch which is a delay switch, a stupid thing by all accounts. It seems a lot of people disconnect the clutch delay switch, but in sports mode it does not seem to play a part. I have also disconnected the PSE valve so it's on all the time.

 

[jdpef356]

Another new one to the forecourt - PC Bristol - All the wrong bits for some people and just the right bits for others![][&:] Edited to add:- Sorry False Start - Note to self - Keep up John![]

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon I only ever drive in sports mode , I really dislike the lazy throttle

I was told by a Porsche techy that a standard spec car, which IMO has the perfect throttle response, is the equivalent to say 8/10 24/7 but cars fitted with the expesnive Sports Chrono option get a standard throttle feel of 5/10 hence the slightly lazy sluggish feel and when SC is switched on you get 10/10 making it seem mega sharp even compared to a standard non chrono car[&o] Personally if I was specking a manual car I would stick with a non sports chrono version as this appears to be the perfect set up 24/7 and if it ain't broke why try to fix it[:-] Found this on PH so can't say whether it is right or wrong but here goes Normal. Throttle pedal

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25%-------------50%-------------75%-------------100% Throttle body

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25%-------------50%-------------75%-------------100% Sport Throttle pedal

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25%-------------50%-------------75%-------------100% Throttle body

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25%--------50%--------75%--------100%--------------------

 

[MrDemon]

When I had my chat with the GT3 boys on the other forum, a big issue it seemed by them was the dead feel and lag on the throttle on our cars. I have to agree, I have sports mode on all 3 of my caymans and Boxster and even had it retrofitted to my Spyder. And also owned a GT3 , so have driven all forms. I know it always personal but sports mode is a 100% must have on my cayman/Boxster. Unlike Audi's sports mode which make you kangaroo in town, Porsche sports mode is spot on and hence why when I get in it the 1st thing I press, ALso stops the nanny PSM cutting in at the slightest wiggle which is another reason it's a must have if you want to actually drive the car Again this clutch delay thing seems to go away in sports mode.

 

[flat6]

Hi daro So you're saying that a car without SC is set up with a slightly sharper throttle response than an SC car's Normal mode, hence creating more contrast between Normal and Sport mode in the SC car. That may tie up with, for some reason nearly all, if not all cars i've seen for sale that are stated as being a press car, don't have SC. Why is that?

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: flat6 Hi daro So you're saying that a car without SC is set up with a slightly sharper throttle response than an SC car's Normal mode, hence creating more contrast between Normal and Sport mode in the SC car. That may tie up with, for some reason nearly all, if not all cars i've seen for sale that are stated as being a press car, don't have SC. Why is that?

Hi flat6 ... Yes the cars without IMO have the perfect throttle response as one would expect from a Porsche sports car ... then the cars with SC have to justify the ridiculous money charged by dulling the SC standard set up just enough to grossly exaggerate the SC feel when switched on For me the kicker is the fact that there is zero performance gained by switching the SC "ON" It is all another smoke screen and mirror job by good old Porsche bean counters [:'(] 2012 Porsche finally fitted as standard a sport button on the 981 something I had enjoyed as standard kit on my Mini Cooper S since 2001! Nobody milks the punter better than Porsche[]

 

[Dylan1]

ORIGINAL: jdpef356 Another new one to the forecourt - PC Bristol - All the wrong bits for some people and just the right bits for others![][&:] Edited to add:- Sorry False Start - Note to self - Keep up John![]

Pretty near perfect spec for me John just a few months too soon and several thousand £ more than I believe it's worth !!