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Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

First thing I do in my car after starting it up is to turn on sports mode and sports exhaust. Had I specced the car myself I wouldn't have considered either to be "must haves" and would have put the money to PCM3. Didn't know how much fuss was going to be generated by the Spyder back then or how those 2 options go with the car so well. In an era when something better is always round the corner and anything you buy is almost instantly obsolete, the Spyder has ended up being an increasingly interesting vehicle. Edited to add - new page, new pic. Apparently these can now fetch over list again already, unloved by some, adored by me.
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ORIGINAL: daro911
ORIGINAL: flat6 Hi daro So you're saying that a car without SC is set up with a slightly sharper throttle response than an SC car's Normal mode, hence creating more contrast between Normal and Sport mode in the SC car. That may tie up with, for some reason nearly all, if not all cars i've seen for sale that are stated as being a press car, don't have SC. Why is that?
Hi flat6 ... Yes the cars without IMO have the perfect throttle response as one would expect from a Porsche sports car ... then the cars with SC have to justify the ridiculous money charged by dulling the SC standard set up just enough to grossly exaggerate the SC feel when switched on    For me the kicker is the fact that there is zero performance gained by switching the SC "ON" It is all another smoke screen and mirror job by good old Porsche bean counters [:'(]   2012 Porsche finally fitted as standard a sport button on the 981 something I had enjoyed as standard kit on my Mini Cooper S since 2001!      Nobody milks the punter better than Porsche[:D]
They are very shrewd business men. But ultimately, the sharpest throttle response can only be had with SC purchased, so still worth having. Unfortunately nearly everything on a Porsche is a cost option and even little things like the large lump of black plastic on the 981's door mirror is chargeable for it to be painted. Whereas, they'd all look premium quality expected of such a car imho if they were just painted them as standard. http://files1.porsche.com/filestore.aspx/zoom.jpg?pool=multimedia&type=image&id=exclusive-cayman-c7s-cognacmetallic-05&lang=none&filetype=zoom&version=9ca8aa0c-a255-4c84-81c6-6fcb76a260e6 vs http://boxsterregister.org/StorageFolder/981_GB/final/IMG_1545.jpg Same goes for the plastic left bare in the side air intake and lower rear skirt, which you need to pay Porsche Exclusive to get it looking like this
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Otherwise you get this
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IMHO, i've only seen it look OK on a white 981 to have the black plastic 'accents'. Anyway, I digress[:)] It does make you realise how much of a fair deal the Spyder and R were considering the equipment you get on them as standard. Optioning carbon buckets, LSD, revised suspension etc (and if you could option aluminium doors usually reserved for the GT3) onto a standard car would cost quite a bit.
 
ORIGINAL: flat6 It does make you realise how much of a fair deal the Spyder and R were considering the equipment you get on them as standard. Optioning carbon buckets, LSD, revised suspension etc (and if you could option aluminium doors usually reserved for the GT3) onto a standard car would cost quite a bit.
flat6 there was a 10% premium charged for the Spyder v 987 S and when you factor back in the cost for the standard fit air con and radio the premium was way over 10% so the carbon buckets, LSD, sport chassis and ali door skins were well and truly paid for by the customer and not by Porsche![:'(]
 
I take your point daro but businesses do not charge a price based on what something costs to manufacture. That is why the 997 Sport Classic and Speedster cost over £140K whereas the 997 Carrera GTS, which has exactly the same mechanicals and X.51 engine cost £79K. The GTS will drive the same as those cars as well, unlike our Spyder, for which a premium is charged for a physically intangible but very tangible pleasure that can be gained from how it drives (companies charge for this). The double bubble roof and ducktail on the Sport Classic don't cost £60K, but some would argue not to look at it that way. I don't see how Porsche would charge any less than a £4K premium for the Spyder, given how they charge for everything else in their portfolio. Not knocking the Sport Classic by the way, just using it as a very pertinent example.
 
It's like the SS I know 3 Spyder owners now who have had it retro fitted and they all love it. Again I had it retro fitted to my 1st cayman but these 2 had it already. The SS is so perfect for this type of car. Imo all these little bits should be standard on the Spyder and the R. not having all these extra little bits on the cars selling 2nd hand are putting these cars at the bottom of the list. As I have stated before my car has all he weighty bits deleted, but still has 32k of parts added to the car if one were to buy a basic car and want to add what my car has, shocking costs which makes even a 30k car with all the bits missing seem very expensive to me. Like wise I paid top money for my R because of spec yes there are cars at 36k I paid 10k more for my R. It's daft what porsche sell cars for and what magazines say is a bargin, but most porsche cars sold have more than 10k options added after. The base cost does not reflect the real cost. Where as when looking at the new fiesta ST to replace out mini, we are NOT adding a single option. My TTRS was the same , I added nothing but the nav unit, every thing else was standard which made the car a bargains imo even though mags said it was too expensive. When you looked at the spec, full, leather, xenons, sports mode ,SS, all standard it was a cheap car. I find options annoying these days with brands like BMW and Porsche as after 3 year you only get back 50% of the base car at best. The 10k is as good as lost, it just makes it sell quicker private, but as a part ex you get offered the same :-( I would rather the car bit a bit more expensive and have he bits built in. On a brand like Porsche to have to spec leather, blue tooth and xenons is a joke on a 50k car.
 
ORIGINAL: MrDemon I would rather the car bit a bit more expensive and have he bits built in. On a brand like Porsche to have to spec leather, blue tooth and xenons is a joke on a 50k car.
I agree and the new Jag F Type S and V8 come with all the essential kit including sports exhaust sat nav dab radio etc included in the base price. Porsche never have and probably never will be going that route It was interesting to see how both the 997 Sport Classic and Speedster came with MEGA prices but partially justified by MEGA spec as standard [:D]. The real bargain here has to be the future classic 997 GTS [;)]
 
Remember this one where a guy specs up his Spyder for £1K less than he'd spec up a Boxster S. See the post by Mario149 part way down the thread. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=781166
 
ORIGINAL: flat6 Remember this one where a guy specs up his Spyder for £1K less than he'd spec up a Boxster S. See the post by Mario149 part way down the thread. [link=http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=781166]http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=781166[/link]
Interesting and he wasted £1520 on "Cream" paint job[:eek:]
 
Also interesting that Porsche can get away with charging £318 for the instrument dials in a different colour. And this isn't PTS, just a pre-set choice such as white or red - a piece of plastic costing the same to make in any colour. And if you have Sport Chrono, that dial isn't included. That carries a separate hefty price for that one dial! That's why my car has white dials except the SC dial which is black[&:][&o] More interesting that people will pay £318 for a part that's already included, just a different colour. Porsche have done their market research I guess[8|]
 
other to that I was looking on the parts/accessoiries pages and to retro fit cruise control to mine is only £280 [&:]
 
Good luck with that - Mine ended up going back 6 times whilst the electronics sorted themselves out after being interfered with! Turned out my car had a factory fit long range fuel tank that nobody knew about. For the first 2 years my fuel gauge read empty when it was still quarter full... I now have a decent range!
 
ORIGINAL: rob.kellock First thing I do in my car after starting it up is to turn on sports mode and sports exhaust. Had I specced the car myself I wouldn't have considered either to be "must haves" and would have put the money to PCM3. Didn't know how much fuss was going to be generated by the Spyder back then or how those 2 options go with the car so well. In an era when something better is always round the corner and anything you buy is almost instantly obsolete, the Spyder has ended up being an increasingly interesting vehicle.
I know what you mean. Before I got the Spyder I was always focussed on working towards the latest & greatest but the Spyder is such a joy to own I no longer crave upgrading in the way I did before. It'd have to be something with a similar 'x' factor to replace the Spyder or a massive slug of more power or 4 seats, well actually, it'd have to be a combination of those for me to even consider it[:)]
 
ORIGINAL: rob.kellock new page, new pic. Apparently these can now fetch over list again already, unloved by some, adored by me.
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The rumour is that the 991 Sport Classic will be based on the turbo S. Unlike the four wheel drive turbo S, it will be rear wheel drive, giving it a unique driving dynamic from the extra wide turbo body (which on the 991 is even wider than the Carrera 4 body for the first time) and will also reduce weight. However, that doesn't make it a GT2. It will be a grand tourer with 4 seats, high specification of luxury options and maintain the turbo S road going suspension set up. The interior will have a classic theme similar to the 997 Sport Classic and 991 50th anniversary edition with classic woven fabric inserts on the seats and leather lining just about everywhere elso possible in the cabin.. Outside it will sit on 20" Fuch style rims, forged to keep the weight down. The car will see the return of the huge rear spoiler commonly known as the 'whale tail' or 'tea tray', synonymous with cars like the iconic 964 turbo. As the rear aero will now be fixed, the active front aero on the 991 turbo will also be replaced with a fixed variant. The 991 Sport Classic will be available only in Carrara White, Guards Red, Black, Basalt Black and one 'special colour' yet to be confirmed.
 
ORIGINAL: flat6
ORIGINAL: rob.kellock First thing I do in my car after starting it up is to turn on sports mode and sports exhaust. Had I specced the car myself I wouldn't have considered either to be "must haves" and would have put the money to PCM3. Didn't know how much fuss was going to be generated by the Spyder back then or how those 2 options go with the car so well. In an era when something better is always round the corner and anything you buy is almost instantly obsolete, the Spyder has ended up being an increasingly interesting vehicle.
I know what you mean. Before I got the Spyder I was always focussed on working towards the latest & greatest but the Spyder is such a joy to own I no longer crave upgrading in the way I did before. It'd have to be something with a similar 'x' factor to replace the Spyder or a massive slug of more power or 4 seats, well actually, it'd have to be a combination of those for me to even consider it[:)]
Four Seats? Massive slug of Power - combo of these? What about this?
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You even have space to carry Two Spyders to use when you arrive![;)]
 
ORIGINAL: jdpef356
ORIGINAL: flat6
ORIGINAL: rob.kellock First thing I do in my car after starting it up is to turn on sports mode and sports exhaust. Had I specced the car myself I wouldn't have considered either to be "must haves" and would have put the money to PCM3. Didn't know how much fuss was going to be generated by the Spyder back then or how those 2 options go with the car so well. In an era when something better is always round the corner and anything you buy is almost instantly obsolete, the Spyder has ended up being an increasingly interesting vehicle.
I know what you mean. Before I got the Spyder I was always focussed on working towards the latest & greatest but the Spyder is such a joy to own I no longer crave upgrading in the way I did before. It'd have to be something with a similar 'x' factor to replace the Spyder or a massive slug of more power or 4 seats, well actually, it'd have to be a combination of those for me to even consider it[:)]
Four Seats? Massive slug of Power - combo of these? What about this?
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You even have space to carry Two Spyders to use when you arrive![;)]
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: I'll be sticking with the Spyder then until something is invented that will tempt me. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
I speced up a 991 GT3 because evo said that was a bargain at 100k £120,600 Doh, not so much that bargain, and I only added the needed bits :) I cannot see me selling the Spyder or the R either, nothing and I mean nothing comes close even if I sold both to own one. Bob who has his R with all the nice tune up bits has just RR at 370bhp. That might be a little over reading , but he is going to Surrey RR in a few weeks who will give a spot on reading. So looking forward to that. Even if it's 350bhp that would really make the Spyder fly. I am going to order RSS lca this week, solid rear toe links and get it set up how I want it, it's going to feel great. Also buying the light battery and finally putting my private plate on which I had last birthday. Call it this years bday presents as it was yesterday :)
 
ORIGINAL: MrDemon Call it this years bday presents as it was yesterday :)
Happy Birthday YESTERDAY man[:D] 991 GT3 @ your £120,600 could still be considered a bargain compared to say a 458 or any other similar exotica out there today What else even comes close for your £120k!
 
ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Apparently these can now fetch over list again already, unloved by some, adored by me.
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Treat yourself to this delivery mileage list priced example[;)] [link=http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-carrera-997/porsche-911-sport-classic-coupe-1-of-250-vehicles-made/268773]http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-carrera-997/porsche-911-sport-classic-coupe-1-of-250-vehicles-made/268773[/link]
 
My fav car sub 150k a f430 scud. And they are going UP in price, a very special car by all accounts. I would not even have to take 2 minutes to think new GT3 or 2nd hand f430 scud at £120k For 100k yes that gt3 would be stonking but as we said base price Porsche are not real items. it's a gt3 and it does not even come with bucket seats as standard !!! That's a4.3k option for leather/buckets ! Also hot 911' are still based on a base model 911. A ferrari does not have a cheap car it's based on. A f430 is always a 140k F430, a scud is the icing on the cake. That's why 911 never really float my boat, they use all he same parts as a base Boxster, even the upgrade parts are the same. The seats are same, the steering wheels are the same etc etc. I never feel 911 are value for money when you sit inside one, you could spend 140k on a 911 and be sitting in a 38k base Boxster. Go sit in a f430 and you feel great and go wow it's all bespoke to that 140k car. I felt the same when I wanted a R8 , it was not as nice as my 40k TTRS inside. Take away the gear gate and you could be sitting in a base A3, but it's a 100k car, very disapointing.
 

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