Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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I have both cars as some of you know, the Spyders the faster car in my spec vs my Cayman R in a straight line to 90mph above 90mph the Cayman R is faster, more BHp and better aero I guess. But regarding that track test, the Cayman R is more tail happy on tighter bends, they have increased the Rear ARB stiffness on the Cayman R over the Spyder. So on a tighter track you can get the power down to WOT earlier in the Spyder than you can in the R out the bends. Some like the R because of that more adjustable rear end. hope that helps a little.
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You would be amazed. I have done it. 1 1/2 hours on the handling circuit at the PEC, Silverstone. Spyder v Cayman R, manual and PDK in each. I had got quite confident by the time we ended up in the manual Spyder - heaven. They are remarkably different - Ask MrD!! Personally I preferred the Spyder (good job!) but each to their own and all that.ORIGINAL: clubsport Both great cars etc....but don't really see how it is an open and shut case? I can imagine an average driver would not be able to notice too much difference, other than one is breezier than the other. []
Rob, tks for the selected edit of my post....I am more interested in what the differences might be, I don't really do "amazed", when there is normally a logical reason as to why they drive differently. So other than the Spyder having "added fairy dust" what to you put the difference down to.?
Remember that the 986 and 987 platform was designed to be a roadster and launched as the Boxster first. The Boxster wasn't designed as a coupe and then compromised by removing the roof and adding compensating, weighty, stiffening structure to the chassis. Therefore, in normal Boxster guise, with roof motors etc, the Boxster weighs similar to the Cayman. However, Porsche could remove 80Kg from the Spyder and 55Kg from the R, the difference being that the Spyder has an aluminium rear deck and a roof made of a single layer fabric and carbon fibre frame. That lot weighs a lot less than a Cayman's roof and steel rear tailgate with glass window.
Quote it all then if it makes you happy. Please... Was hardly selective quoting to make a point. [8|] Spring rates are different as Cayman shell is stiffer. This impacts on the way they drive.ORIGINAL: clubsport An interesting video, but doesn't make much sense if the cars are on the same tyres. You can only assume there was a difference in the geo's? Maybe the spring rates are different making the Spyder slightly more compliant? With the added rigidity and slightly lower weight you would expect the Cayman R to perhaps be the slightly better handling car at the margin? Both great cars etc....but don't really see how it is an open and shut case? I can imagine an average driver would not be able to notice too much difference, other than one is breezier than the other. [
I was surprised that there haven't been more R vs Spyder reviews, so I went and did my own for my own personal interest and shared. It wasn't a review of the handling as such but I did notice that they do ride differently. I dunno, maybe they took advantage of a few subtle differences resulting in setting them up differently. The Spyder has a little less weight, lower centre of gravity and possibly a slightly less stiff chassis. Too stiff a set-up can lead to less contact between the wheels and the road, so maybe the R's suspension stiffness is backed off slightly compared to the Spyder to harmonise its suspension with its stiffer body shell? http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=719756&mpage=36
Another welcome return of the £40K Spyder[ORIGINAL: daro911 Fresh stock and very nice spec too[8D]  Transmission: Manual Colour: Carrara White Colour (interior): Black leatherette and alcantara seats Vehicle Ident Number: WP0ZZZ98ZBS740852 Mileage: 7,150 m Registration Year: 05/11 Price: £ 39,900 Equipment [*]19-inch Boxster Spyder Wheel [*]6-speed manual transmission [*]Cup holder [*]Extended exterior package Alcantara Boxster Spyder [*]Floor mats [*]Fully automatic climate control [*]ParkAssist (rear) [*]Porsche Communication Management (PCM) including navigation module [ul][/ul]Sound Package Plus including CD storage [*]Sport Chrono Package Plus [*]Sport shifter [*]Sports Bucket Seats [*]Sports exhaust system [*]Telephone module for PCM [link=http://www.porsche.co.uk/guildford]Porsche Centre Guildford[/link] Woodbridge Meadows GU1 1BD Guildford, Surrey Phone: +44 1483 408 800 Fax: +44 1483 408 822
] Was starting to get a bit downhearted seeing those other OPC prices on those cars that won't shift[]
I was told the "R" has a wider track than standard, LSD and lowered suspension. I don't know if this is same for Spyder
They share the same main ingredients. There's a press release for the R but it isn't as detailed as the one for the Spyder. http://www.porsche.com/uk/aboutporsche/pressreleases/pcgb/pressreleases2010/?pool=uk&id=2010-11-17 http://www.porsche.com/uk/aboutporsche/pressreleases/pcgb/pressreleases2010/?pool=uk&id=2010-03-24 You can pick out the R's weight saving from this list (sorry, poor formatting on the phone) - manual fabric roof with carbon fibre front frame reduces the Spyder’s weight by 21 kg - aluminium doors similar to those on the 911 Turbo and GT3 saves 15 kg- the use of an aluminium rear engine cover saves 3 kg - since the Spyder was designed for sporty open-top driving, the air conditioning has been removed and saves 12 kg- using lightweight carbon fibre sports bucket seats saves 12 kg - the fuel tank has a capacity of 54 litres, 10 litres fewer than standard Boxster, saving 7 kg - the lightweight design of the 19†Spyder alloy wheels saves 5 kg- there is no radio and a smaller battery, saving approximately 3 kg - dispensing with cup holders and using lightweight interior door trims with door opening loops saves 2 kg This I believe the following is all the same too, maybe even down to the reduced tyre pressures? Haven't checked. "Chassis tuned for even sharper handling As is evident, systematic lightweight design sets the Boxster Spyder apart, and delivers an excellent power-to-weight ratio of 4 kg/hp (9 per cent better than a Boxster S) that manifests itself in remarkable performance, culminating in a lap time around the Nurburgring Nordschleife seven seconds quicker than that of a Boxster S.The specially adapted chassis of the Boxster Spyder gives the car its more dynamic character. Lowering the entire body by 20mm contributes further to the car’s lower centre of gravity and the combined use of modified anti-roll bars and even stiffer spring/damper units significantly increases the performance potential. This is supported by a front track width increased by 4mm and an 8mm wider rear track. A mechanically locking differential is fitted as standard, and delivers significantly improved traction on changing road surfaces and when cornering at the extreme limits of performance. Locking values are 22 per cent under power and 27 per cent in overrun.Although delivering a firmer and sporty chassis set-up, the Boxster Spyder retains a remarkably compliant ride; not least as a result of the tyre pressures being able to be set slightly lower due to the weight reduction measures." When you've had yours a while, test drive the sister car out of curiosity. I'd say neither is better than the other and that'd be an utterly pointless debate but they do feel noticably different even before turning a corner.
- manual fabric roof with carbon fibre front frame reduces the Spyder’s weight by 21 kg - aluminium doors similar to those on the 911 Turbo and GT3 saves 15 kg - the use of an aluminium rear engine cover saves 3 kg - since the Spyder was designed for sporty open-top driving, the air conditioning has been removed and saves 12 kg - using lightweight carbon fibre sports bucket seats saves 12 kg - the fuel tank has a capacity of 54 litres, 10 litres fewer than standard Boxster, saving 7 kg - the lightweight design of the 19†Spyder alloy wheels saves 5 kg - there is no radio and a smaller battery, saving approximately 3 kg - dispensing with cup holders and using lightweight interior door trims with door opening loops saves 2 kg - PCCB save a few kg's not as much as people think because they are massive, but they are still lighter. yes I can tick all of those ;-p and a little more, I carry no roof half the time, I don't carry the tyre pump equipment etc. that must be another few Kg's And I have also lost 6.3 kg's Not sure I like to have to quote GT3 doors though after my fallout with the GT3 massive on Piston heads lol.
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