Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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spyderwhite
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like the sport classic a 997.2 with 2 humps the difference is circa £100k. my view is you can make a cs into a cr fairly easy if not costly but ride wise a cs on standard suspension is close, but it is not as easy to make a boxster a spyder so like the sport classic its unique body will be its rise to classic status.i know the cr is a great car but I would not feel short changed in a regular caymanS and what you have to also consider with the cayman is a much rarer beast with the same power and spyder wheels is the black edition(8 manual cars and 35 pdk cars) which is one of the cars I fancied before the spyder but I don't like solid black and there was no basalt black option as per the 997.2 blackedition.no it hasn't got the lowered suspension or buckets but has everything else if mainly road use and with the sport seats etc only probably weighs 20 kg more than a bucket seated R with a/c,radio and pcm etc so imho the only advantage of an R over the black edition is if you do a lot of track workORIGINAL: Andy FaganThats like saying all the Spyder has over a normal Boxster is a couple of humps []
Still strongly disagree, Using your logic, I'm sure you could convert a normal Boxster into a Spyder if you threw enough money at it but where do you draw the line. At the end of the day the Log book will still say Boxster S and not Spyder [&:] and it wont be as desirable as a real Spyder!ORIGINAL: spyderwhitelike the sport classic a 997.2 with 2 humps the difference is circa £100k. my view is you can make a cs into a cr fairly easy if not costly but ride wise a cs on standard suspension is close, but it is not as easy to make a boxster a spyder so like the sport classic its unique body will be its rise to classic status.i know the cr is a great car but I would not feel short changed in a regular caymanS and what you have to also consider with the cayman is a much rarer beast with the same power and spyder wheels is the black edition(8 manual cars and 35 pdk cars) which is one of the cars I fancied before the spyder but I don't like solid black and there was no basalt black option as per the 997.2 blackedition.no it hasn't got the lowered suspension or buckets but has everything else if mainly road use and with the sport seats etc only probably weighs 20 kg more than a bucket seated R with a/c,radio and pcm etc so imho the only advantage of an R over the black edition is if you do a lot of track workORIGINAL: Andy FaganThats like saying all the Spyder has over a normal Boxster is a couple of humps [
Hold fire to convert a Boxster to a Spyder would cost far more money than just buying the Spyder in the 1st place [
] And you end up with something like this [] 
I've similar assumptions made and I think VBH has been proved wrong in her opinion about the £4k premium. She loved how it drives but like most reviewers made the decision based on how much the options are worth and a guess after just a short test drive about how the roof would be to live with. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKKO1txe-0s&feature=youtube_gdata_playerORIGINAL: daro911Had similar conversation with an Aston owner who thought the Spyder was circa £100k! Considering most Boxster owners thought it should have been £4k less and not more than a stock 987 S it seems fairly pricing a Spyder can only be done by non Porsche owners
spyderwhite
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I agree you could turn a boxster in to a spyder change wheels, suspension etc like the cayman but the boxster has the added cost of the unique humps and roof.i am not saying that the cayman r is not a great car it is.but for the same money and if used mainly on the highway the black edition is a better rarer car.the only main differences between the two are the suspension and rear spoiler if you have a sport seated highly optioned RORIGINAL: Andy FaganStill strongly disagree, Using your logic, I'm sure you could convert a normal Boxster into a Spyder if you threw enough money at it but where do you draw the line. At the end of the day the Log book will still say Boxster S and not Spyder [&:] and it wont be as desirable as a real Spyder!ORIGINAL: spyderwhitelike the sport classic a 997.2 with 2 humps the difference is circa £100k. my view is you can make a cs into a cr fairly easy if not costly but ride wise a cs on standard suspension is close, but it is not as easy to make a boxster a spyder so like the sport classic its unique body will be its rise to classic status.i know the cr is a great car but I would not feel short changed in a regular caymanS and what you have to also consider with the cayman is a much rarer beast with the same power and spyder wheels is the black edition(8 manual cars and 35 pdk cars) which is one of the cars I fancied before the spyder but I don't like solid black and there was no basalt black option as per the 997.2 blackedition.no it hasn't got the lowered suspension or buckets but has everything else if mainly road use and with the sport seats etc only probably weighs 20 kg more than a bucket seated R with a/c,radio and pcm etc so imho the only advantage of an R over the black edition is if you do a lot of track workORIGINAL: Andy FaganThats like saying all the Spyder has over a normal Boxster is a couple of humps [
I've never rolled the rear screen up, always laid it in the boot, just to put less bending stress through the screen over time. The transparency of the rear screen is amazing imho. Has yours gone cloudy - could the previous owner have used something they shouldn't have to clean it? I've not heard of anyone having problems.
Assuming the video at the bottom of the link is the one i've seen before (can't watch it now), it's pretty shocking!ORIGINAL: daro911Hold fire to convert a Boxster to a Spyder would cost far more money than just buying the Spyder in the 1st place [Full horror story here http://www.ebay.com/itm/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-986-987-SPYDER-CONVERSION-FIBERGLASS-NEW-TRS-MOTORSPORT-/161048725804
So imo the only advantage of a Spyder over a Boxster is if you do a lot of track work !! as we all know every one here has put all the weight back into the Spyder anywayORIGINAL: spyderwhitelike the sport classic a 997.2 with 2 humps the difference is circa £100k. my view is you can make a cs into a cr fairly easy if not costly but ride wise a cs on standard suspension is close, but it is not as easy to make a boxster a spyder so like the sport classic its unique body will be its rise to classic status.i know the cr is a great car but I would not feel short changed in a regular caymanS and what you have to also consider with the cayman is a much rarer beast with the same power and spyder wheels is the black edition(8 manual cars and 35 pdk cars) which is one of the cars I fancied before the spyder but I don't like solid black and there was no basalt black option as per the 997.2 blackedition.no it hasn't got the lowered suspension or buckets but has everything else if mainly road use and with the sport seats etc only probably weighs 20 kg more than a bucket seated R with a/c,radio and pcm etc so imho the only advantage of an R over the black edition is if you do a lot of track workORIGINAL: Andy FaganThats like saying all the Spyder has over a normal Boxster is a couple of humps [
so you are left with a Boxster with a bad roof !!!! it works both ways
I rest my case [ORIGINAL: daro911Hold fire to convert a Boxster to a Spyder would cost far more money than just buying the Spyder in the 1st place [Full horror story here http://www.ebay.com/itm/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-986-987-SPYDER-CONVERSION-FIBERGLASS-NEW-TRS-MOTORSPORT-/161048725804
]
There seems to be two different points being made. One about how an Cayman S can be made to look like an R easier than a Spyder (but then the Black Edition doesn't have any revised bodywork for that point towards classis status) and the other that the S does not drive like an R and is therefore better if and only if you are a certain type of buyer that didn't want the car to drive like an R anyway? That is saying that if you don't want the sharper revised set-up of the R you should buy the Black Edition. That goes without saying. If you want the 55Kg lighter car with revised suspension, you're going to choose the car based on that, not based on the rear spoiler i'd have thought. I agree that the Spyder has more revised bodywork than the R and I primarily chose the Spyder because I liked the idea of stripping as much weight as possible - 80kg vs 55kg before you add some back with options (OK, Porsche could strip even more weight but hopefully you know what I mean). But, if using a Porsche for what it should be used for, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh3A1ERsvY4 , once behind the wheel, how they drive is all important The Black Edition is a nice car but typically Porsche special editions that are based primarily on a cosmetic package (it is a black car with lots of black options), don't tend to become classics. Don't get me wrong, I like the car. It has the 10 extra horsepower but personally i'd take the 55kg weight saving and revised dynamics (with the 10 extra HP) any day of the week - that's the Porsche way[ORIGINAL: spyderwhiteI agree you could turn a boxster in to a spyder change wheels, suspension etc like the cayman but the boxster has the added cost of the unique humps and roof.i am not saying that the cayman r is not a great car it is.but for the same money and if used mainly on the highway the black edition is a better rarer car.the only main differences between the two are the suspension and rear spoiler if you have a sport seated highly optioned RORIGINAL: Andy FaganStill strongly disagree, Using your logic, I'm sure you could convert a normal Boxster into a Spyder if you threw enough money at it but where do you draw the line. At the end of the day the Log book will still say Boxster S and not Spyder [&:] and it wont be as desirable as a real Spyder!ORIGINAL: spyderwhitelike the sport classic a 997.2 with 2 humps the difference is circa £100k. my view is you can make a cs into a cr fairly easy if not costly but ride wise a cs on standard suspension is close, but it is not as easy to make a boxster a spyder so like the sport classic its unique body will be its rise to classic status.i know the cr is a great car but I would not feel short changed in a regular caymanS and what you have to also consider with the cayman is a much rarer beast with the same power and spyder wheels is the black edition(8 manual cars and 35 pdk cars) which is one of the cars I fancied before the spyder but I don't like solid black and there was no basalt black option as per the 997.2 blackedition.no it hasn't got the lowered suspension or buckets but has everything else if mainly road use and with the sport seats etc only probably weighs 20 kg more than a bucket seated R with a/c,radio and pcm etc so imho the only advantage of an R over the black edition is if you do a lot of track workORIGINAL: Andy FaganThats like saying all the Spyder has over a normal Boxster is a couple of humps [
]. Anyone who prefers the black edition isn't wrong, they would just rather an S than an R and the black edition is a very nice one, with the R's 330hp to boot, but it's not a 'nice' R, it's a nice 'S'. We've discussed the 10 extra HP before and right up at the top of the rev range and identical torque curve to the 320HP 'S', personally I don't think that alone makes the car a classic by significant differentiation over a standard S. I doubt the Spyder would become a classic based on looks along, i.e. if it wasn't lighter and if it didn't drive differently to a boxster, how many would keep one just for the cool looking roof and rear deck. A number of first buyers bought one on looks alone and ended up selling the car on either because of the manual roof or firm ride, or buckets. You have to like how it drives to live with it, even if the looks is what got you to buy it in the first place. You'd have to keep a Spyder a very long time before it outdoes the R in value due to classic status. Currently there isn't much in it and an OPC 'R' will probably cost you as much as a Spyder on a 2011 plate, sometimes more. Maybe more of the track day type buyers aren't so much into roadsters and this creates as strong a demand for an R as a Spyder, but from a different type of buyer.P.S. I know the R cost more than the Spyder to buy new but OPC 'R' prices look stronger than I expected. P.P.S. what do people think of the passive Spyder/R suspension vs PASM. Having owned both I found PASM good in normal mode but too resonant in Sport Mode, such that I hardly ever used it.
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