Surely it would be easier to take all the bits out and create a lightweight 'classic/most sought after/dogs danglies/ best you'll ever find/ suppa dooper/ non buss' Spyder than it would to put them back in. Didn't realise there was a check box for 'non electrics' - do you have wind up windows and a crank start too? You pays your money, you take your choice - I would never have bought one without AC, buckets, Spyder wheels and PCM as minimum. Upset they deleted the free cup holders to be honest although they probably rattle if my BMW ones were anything to go by.
Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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Is the front of your Porsche strip crooked? They must have skimped on glue for another micro gram or two! Like the look of the black nuts, did you paint (god forbid the extra weight) or replace?ORIGINAL: MrDemonbetter shot of my nutsORIGINAL: daro911Who nicked you number plate! Any chance of a close up shot of the wheel nuts this isn't doing it for me[]
stripes ok in real life, must be a strange crop, the nuts are new ones as I have 7mm spacers upfront to help with turn in, so a tad longer.ORIGINAL: VvrooomMIs the front of your Porsche strip crooked? They must have skimped on glue for another micro gram or two! Like the look of the black nuts, did you paint (god forbid the extra weight) or replace?ORIGINAL: MrDemonbetter shot of my nutsORIGINAL: daro911Who nicked you number plate! Any chance of a close up shot of the wheel nuts this isn't doing it for me[
which is ? (I would state cost as it was about £68k which would have been seen as a lot for a unknown Boxster model at the time) As I said my car is not for every one, we can see that with all the cars with non buckets and non Spyder wheels, give it 5 years and that will all change imo. Give it 20 years and it being one of Porsche launch cars with Porsche as 1st owner will only add value (its not a OPC demo , it's Porsche owned). A press car has to be 100% perfect, Porsche spend £1000's on press cars to make sure every time it goes out it's 100%, some say Press cars are tweaked, Ferrari do it, as it's not a normal car taken from the production line, it's built from scratch marked as a press car. People mock my car for having no spec, which is a huge misunderstanding, it has all the Spec just none of the FREE extra weight options, it was £68k new prob more expensive than most ;-) It is what it is, only time will tell, you cannot make a car like mine from another one, the parts alone are £32k if you had one with all the Spyder bits missing and wanted PCCB. At the end of the day no one knows yet, but Porsche Launch cars are always speced as they see the car should be, cost not being an issue and hence why imo this car will be more sort after if the cars make classic status.
all imho but that's what I think and why I took a risk on it, it is certainly fast, and quicker than my R which is supposed to have more Bhp. It's also clear of over revs in 3 and above so no missed shifts from which ever press guys tested it. (it was the back up press car not the main used one which you see in most mags, but it is in some)
The Spyder is definitely one of Porsche's better cars of recent years. But, seriously, crazy values in 20 years time for a car that has no motorsport heritage and was built in relatively large numbers compared to many "collectible" Porsche cars??? Enjoy your cars without getting too hung up on long term values. I can tell you that higher values are not necessarily such a great thing, they can change the way you use the car and in some respects get less enjoyment out if it as a driving machine...the reason you bought it in the first place!
A great collection of cars in those pics. One observation is that all the pics I saw were of 911's or 356's and all but one of the race cars I saw was 911 based. Might just be the choice of the editor, but does pose the question, has any Porsche introduced after the 911 (apart from supercars like the Carrera GT) become intensely sought after? I don't know, hence I ask the question. Will a Boxster based Porsche become a classic in a similar way to a 911 Speedster? Only time will tell. What defines a classic? If a Boxster Spyder is worth £15,000 in 20 years and a Boxster of the same age is worth £1500 is that a classic. Or if a Boxster Spyder is worth what is cost new i.e. about £50K in 20 years (don't want to get too complicated about inflation changing the value of money), is that what is considered a sought after classic? The whole debate about how the spec of a Spyder might affect it's desirability I think is a mixed debate between "how quickly will my car sell now" and "which cars will command the most money in the future". The former is probably more a debate for the here and now. The latter, if it's about becoming a classic is years from now, probably has nothing to do with spec. Unless things change regarding what makes an old relic found in a barn valuable, will it not be the car mechanically that will make the car a Spyder? If someone wants a car without PCM, they'll just remove it and put in the plastic storage compartment that Porsche made to replace the radio. They'd find a car with the body and mechanicals in tact and you go to a Porsche breaker and find some of the, what will be, obsolete bucket seats etc. if the car doesn't have them. The bucket seats are not unique to the Spyder and R so will not have much value in the future. In the 'here and now', they have a retail value. Can't see someone overlooking an old relic because it has AC. They'll just remove it. My guess is that the Boxster Spyder will be as desirable as it is now for the next few years as long as there isn't a 981 Spyder (we get treated to so many new cars these days that few cars are around for long before being superseded and forgotten). Cars in comfort spec will sell as quickly or slowly as they do now and likewise for cars in launch trim. In 20 years, even if there is a 981 Spyder i'd like to think that the 987 Spyder, whilst superceded, will not be forgotten as it was the very first. How much it is sought after may depend on what Porsche does with the Boxster as a brand and that'll affect whether the 987 Spyder is sought after at a stable £15K or a stable £50K. As for comfort spec vs launch spec, Porsche actually made a Comfort spec in some of their 911 GT3 and GT2 cars. That wasn't to say the comfort spec car was not to go on track, had different performance figures and was only related to the launch car by its silhouette. I think whilst they didn't go to the lengths of branding a Comfort spec Spyder, but giving the option to add back in certain items, means they know their market better than most. It's almost like saying that adding a radio makes a Spyder closer to a Boxster than the revised rear deck and roof removes it from a Boxster[&:] Anyone buying a Comfort spec GT3 knows it's not the lightest GT3 and must compromise performance, even if only in immeasurable amounts. But it doesn't make their GT3 drive like a Carrera. They'd be a fool if they chose to add AC and sports seats to a GT3 thinking it would give them the same level of comfort and ride as adding the Aerokit to a Carrera [&:] I may be completely wrong of course but just sharing my thoughts. I'll bow out of this one now.ORIGINAL: jdpef356 So what is a Porsche Classic? Food for thought. Take a look at the following Photos of this years Classics at the Castle - Hedingham:- http://www.sportscardigest.com/porsche-classics-at-the-castle-2013-report-and-photos/ Not a Spyder in site but come twenty odd years the Spyder could well make an appearance in the line up[
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Just fallen out of love with my Spyder as needs new Steering Rack at 20k, just out of warranty! Any comments welcome
to billy1 and VvrooomM I might be deluded, but at least I voice my opinion and not just call people deluded with no reason why If people don't agree back it up with your thoughts why, not name calling . As for classics in the Castle yes they were all old cars, if you were post 74 you could not park with them. The Boxster was not launched till 1996 so it's not going to be heading up a pre 74 classic event is it ;-) The Spyder is the 1st Boxster with such bespoke body work to the norm and only about 220 UK models, of course it will be a classic at some point. How long that takes, who knows, what spec will people want , who knows. were the best Porsche race cars mid engine (917), of course they were as are the CGT and the new 918. And le mans 2014 will see another one regarding comfort spec GT3 esp the early 996 ones dealers cannot shift them for love nor money, most I talked to have been bitten and would not restock a non bucket seated 996 GT3 again.
I might be deluded, but at least I voice my opinion and not just call people deluded with no reason why If people don't agree back it up with your thoughts why, not name calling . As for classics in the Castle yes they were all old cars, if you were post 74 you could not park with them. The Boxster was not launched till 1996 so it's not going to be heading up a pre 74 classic event is it ;-) The Spyder is the 1st Boxster with such bespoke body work to the norm and only about 220 UK models, of course it will be a classic at some point. How long that takes, who knows, what spec will people want , who knows. were the best Porsche race cars mid engine (917), of course they were as are the CGT and the new 918. And le mans 2014 will see another one regarding comfort spec GT3 esp the early 996 ones dealers cannot shift them for love nor money, most I talked to have been bitten and would not restock a non bucket seated 996 GT3 again.
This happened to a friend's 987 at a similar mileage although fortunately he was covered under warranty. Depending on how / where / when you bought the car and its service history, a goodwill claim would be my first approach. Let us know how you get on.
Whilst fundamentally I am with you, I am pretty sure that fewer Spyders were made than 911 Speedsters (or was it 964 Speedsters?) and they (both) are very collectible. From an objective point of view it does have quite a few ingredients of cars that have gone on to be very collectible - good looks, bespoke bodywork, increased power, (relatively) low numbers, light weight etc. It is also last of the line of a certain stage of analogue cars - no electric steering, no electric handbrake, no electronic suspension control etc. It's not enough for me to stop me enjoying driving mine and put into mothballs just yet but it must be considered that in the long term, it could be an interesting car to own.
Rob, have a check of the numbers, they did not make many 911 Speedster variants at all, particularly in Rhd form. When the 3.2 Speedsters were 11-12 years old, after the madness of the late '80's they were at a relatively small premium (£5k) to the 911 cab equivalent. I was interested in one, but it did not drive well enough for me compared to a 911 Sport Coupe......I then bought a 911CS, partly due to the rarity and these were trading at £4-5k max over the equivalent 911 Carrera Sport.....Look at them now? I considered a 964 Speedster 5 years ago, which was fairly cheap (£26K), even allowing for the Tip gearbox, it was not the best example, or a car for me, although it looked interesting? Thankfully I have owned 993 RS's for the last 10 years, so there's no need to get the small violins out for the cars I have missed. From experience, it's motorsport heritage, low build numbers, then condition and matching number provenance, sorts them out from there. Obviously we had no perception of the effect of QE and the global zero interest rate policy on asset classes!
That your target market for, shall we say, such a very "specific" spec is very small. A bright pink Boxster with green leather interior is also rare, but that does not make it attractive or worth a premium (quite the opposite). So much is made about the "weight saving" but it's all hyperbole and relatively unimportant. Not having a radio or A/C does not make any difference unless you are an exceptional driver. Obviously you fall into that top 0.1%. Most buyers at this price range would consider your car to be worth less than other examples with some toys. That is evidenced by the fact that yours is so rare - no-one spec'd such a car new because it has very limited appeal. The Spyder is perfectly usable as an everyday car so not having a radio is not attractive. Personally I would never have ceramics because of the ridiculous cost of replacement if they get damaged. I am not alone. If there was the option of a car that had been thrashed by the press when new, compared to a car that hadn't, no-one would take the press car. It is deluded to think otherwise, except that you insist on talking up your car at every opportunity whilst often denouncing other people's cars/spec as "WRONG" regardless of reality.
Wikepedia so don't hold too much faith but this seems to be the article I remember: "The 911 Speedster (option M503), a low-roof version of the Cabriolet which was evocative of the Porsche 356 Speedster of the 1950s, was produced in limited numbers (2,104) starting in January 1989 until July 1989 as both a narrow body car and a Turbo-look. " As an aside, 911 Club Sport is one of my all time favourite 911s - lovely looking cars too. I agree that talk of future values (for Spyders) is a bit daft. I hoped mine would defy depreciation better than many other modern cars when I bought it. On a bad day it is worth over 70% of what I paid for it new and I've nearly had it 3 1/2 years which is fine. Maybe we should start racing them and build up our own pedigree/ heritage!!
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