Porsche has already made that decision for you by proceeding with Macan. Has massively put me off the marque I have to say. It used to be a good laugh amongst normal people telling them you were in Porsche Club. First rule of Porsche Club - nobody talks about Porsche Club etc. Being part of the "part of the VW group club" lacks the same charm somehow. Now the marque is not a million miles away from where BMW were in the late 80s. I remember a fairly plain girl at school announcing that her Dad had just got a new 316 in 1988 and one of my mate's reactions was "oh my God, will you go out with me?". Now 3 series outsells Mondeo. Macans are going to sell in droves to anybody whose Range Rover Evoque PCP is us for renewal and Audi Q5 owners who want to up the ante on the school run. They will not make the brand cool as milk. No doubt a well engineered car and compatible with many a modern life but not exactly a car to raise emotions like a 2.7 RS. I was reading recently that the ideal GT car nowadays was not a 2 + 2 sports car but a 6 cylinder diesel Range Rover with a decent range fuel wise... And here we all are. Celebrating the Spyder daily. A noisy, windy car with a dodgy roof and harsh suspension no good for pot holed roads that we prefer to keep clean inside garages this time of year rather than face the elements. Mileage to be kept below 10000 for the next owner. Don't buy the colour, seats or gearbox you like or it won't be collectable enough in the future... By which time the Panamera junior 5 series rival will be out, ultimately with a 4 cylinder turbo diesel to rival the 520d. Then what - the Macan junior based on the Q3 has to be in with a shout. They will need a rival for the MINI by then too. Funny old world. I can go and join dinosaur club when that all happens.
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Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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New Page Great PicORIGINAL: daro911I have never bought a car for anything other than the thrill per mile it can deliver If it happens to become a classic in my ownership that is a just a bonus if it happens to go South in value won't dent the joy and pride of ownership one iota for me [] Just wish the bloody weather would change for the better as I need to go for a nice topless blastORIGINAL: homerdogIn the meantime I'll just keep driving my crappy spec Spyder and enjoy it... [8|]ORIGINAL: MrDemon Give it 5 more years and you are going to be wanting the right car for future max value.
They will have it the Audi Q1 out 2015-16 to rival the MINI Countryman 4x4[&o]ORIGINAL: rob.kellock And here we all are. Celebrating the Spyder daily. A noisy, windy car with a dodgy roof and harsh suspension no good for pot holed roads that we prefer to keep clean inside garages this time of year rather than face the elements. Mileage to be kept below 10000 for the next owner. Don't buy the colour, seats or gearbox you like or it won't be collectable enough in the future... By which time the Panamera junior 5 series rival will be out, ultimately with a 4 cylinder turbo diesel to rival the 520d. Then what - the Macan junior based on the Q3 has to be in with a shout. They will need a rival for the MINI by then too. Funny old world. I can go and join dinosaur club when that all happens.
Change the badges, put a Cayenne face on it and job's a good'un. Meanwhile Cayenne 3 grows a bit and costs over £100k so the Chinese billionaires can keep up with the neighbours...
I think you are right on every point and I think the Macan won't just appeal to SUV buyers because as you say it will be well engineered, so won't be cumbersome to drive. So it may also appeal to medium to large premium saloon buyers as an opportunity to get the coveted Porsche badge on their drive on a car that is fit for their daily grind. Also, as much as I like the new 981 and 991, much of the new flavour of Porsche has gone into them almost making them Panamera-esque (not referring to the superb interior). That's too harsh a description but what I mean is, I get the feeling that not every 987 owner is in a rush to trade up to a car that is less raw and more GT like, losing the rawness at quite a substantial upgrade cost to boot. The 981 is superior in every other way but on the road it's the GT side that shines through most of the time. It'll appeal to many as it is perfect at what it is, but I don't see that many 987 owners in this club aching to trade up. On the road the GT side is up against cars like the SLK55 whilst the 981, Porsche has kept as a 5 second car but with quite a substantial price tag. If you drive it like how it can be driven then yes the 981 is worth more than the SLK55, but not everyone does drive like that and in the latter scenario the 987 is somehow a bit more exciting I think when driving at 70mph, rather needing to drive at some speed I've not reached in a 981 to get it to feel alive. And I'm not someone unwilling to embrace progress, it's just that it's moving towards needing to afford a GT3 to get a visceral Porsche whereas you could get that feeling from any 987 or 997 and only needed the GT3 if you wanted to go to the extreme. A car can be exciting at reasonable speeds the more communicative it is. A GT car is designed to dial that out and you only get that feeling of what is going on with the car when pushing it more to its limits. Those speeds are so high on some GT cars and you won't necessarily drive any faster on a public road to bring the car alive, so you less often get excited, in my experience.ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Porsche has already made that decision for you by proceeding with Macan. Has massively put me off the marque I have to say. It used to be a good laugh amongst normal people telling them you were in Porsche Club. First rule of Porsche Club - nobody talks about Porsche Club etc. Being part of the "part of the VW group club" lacks the same charm somehow. Now the marque is not a million miles away from where BMW were in the late 80s. I remember a fairly plain girl at school announcing that her Dad had just got a new 316 in 1988 and one of my mate's reactions was "oh my God, will you go out with me?". Now 3 series outsells Mondeo. Macans are going to sell in droves to anybody whose Range Rover Evoque PCP is us for renewal and Audi Q5 owners who want to up the ante on the school run. They will not make the brand cool as milk. No doubt a well engineered car and compatible with many a modern life but not exactly a car to raise emotions like a 2.7 RS. I was reading recently that the ideal GT car nowadays was not a 2 + 2 sports car but a 6 cylinder diesel Range Rover with a decent range fuel wise... And here we all are. Celebrating the Spyder daily. A noisy, windy car with a dodgy roof and harsh suspension no good for pot holed roads that we prefer to keep clean inside garages this time of year rather than face the elements. Mileage to be kept below 10000 for the next owner. Don't buy the colour, seats or gearbox you like or it won't be collectable enough in the future... By which time the Panamera junior 5 series rival will be out, ultimately with a 4 cylinder turbo diesel to rival the 520d. Then what - the Macan junior based on the Q3 has to be in with a shout. They will need a rival for the MINI by then too. Funny old world. I can go and join dinosaur club when that all happens.
Plenty of choice now for anyone wanting to join us. A manual that is well well worth buying for the Steering Wheel alone! []ORIGINAL: daro911 Another Spyder For Sale and its only day 5 of 2014![&o] http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/boxster-987-05-12/porsche-boxster-987-gen-ii-spyder------------------2010/1959021
Flat6 you raise some excellent points and it is true you need far more speed in the latest sports cars to get the thrill factor going but this is nothing new and typical Porsche evolution and the demands of the ever moving market place. Thats how we get Classic Cars or old school thrills for your hard earned £'s I think you will enjoy reading the full article but here is just one paragraph but IMO if ever there was a Porsche that needed better "road comforts" the GT3 was the one as I find it just to raw as a user friendly daily driver if need be http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motoring/going-anywhere-fast-uk-road-trip-porsche-911-gt3 I’ve worked out the best configuration for the GT3: shockers on soft, gearbox in sport, exhaust left quiet, all safety nets disengaged. On this road an old GT3 would be a handful: you’d need to be in the right gear and mindful of its desire to understeer. The new car is not like this: both physically and mentally it asks a lot less of its driver, though whether that comes at the price of providing less pleasure in return is one of the questions I’m here to answer. We rejoin the A470, head up to Dolgellau and then turn north again on the A494 to Lake Bala.
I hear you daro and I'm not suggesting that the 991 GT3 is now the choice daily driver. I think there is a gap though between the GT style set-up and the race car extreme models. And if the 981 Sport Chassis option rides like our Spyder's I don't think that'll be the answer for most either. EDITED
The original 911 3.2 Speedster was launched with a single seater conversion tonneau cover.
But the single seater conversion was dropped before production. The removable short windscreen remained but I wonder how many owners ever removed the windscreen or tracked the car. The 964 Speedster was to be more of a hybrid between the cabriolet and 964RS with RS style trim and bucket seats but softer suspension than the RS. There was a standard and Clubsoport version, the latter having more lightweight trim. With softer suspension I still wonder what these cars were for and whether 964 Speedster owners ever removed the windscreen other than for concours preparation cleaning[]. Still, the lightweight treatment is the concept that buyers no doubt bought into, with the halo RS version 911 for them to emulate, and will no doubt be the most sought after Speedster version.
I think the Boxster as a model in general needs the whole '911 halo' thing going on before the Spyder achieves this level of gravitas. What say you?
I say the 911, Beetle: Fiat 500: Mini: are all motoring icons and iconic cars probably only happen once in a lifetime for most manufacturers so the Boxster has no chance what so ever of achieving an iconic status but that doesn't stop a limited production run like the 987 Spyder becoming a classic car in the same way the 356 developed a few variants into some very serious classic - collectables through the decadesORIGINAL: flat6I think the Boxster as a model in general needs the whole '911 halo' thing going on before the Spyder achieves this level of gravitas. What say you?
What is the story behind that one?!?!?[]ORIGINAL: Nick_USA You also forget the 986 Boxster version []
AMAZING a USA Porsche without the ugly rear bumpettes anyone know how they get this better looking specORIGINAL: flat6 And another.
There seems to be something weird happening with Pistonheads as tonight there are only 4 RHD Spyders on there and the format keeps changing from the usual to the mobile apps style! I did email them about it but never got a responseORIGINAL: jdpef356 I wonder why so many Spyders have come to the market all at Once? Just the odd one at the end of 2013 and now we must have 6 or seven. Has someone heard something we have not?[8|]
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