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Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

Are you def going to buy a R then Cliff ? I had to make that hard choice selling a GT3 which even though I did not gel with, sell a car which is going up in value to a car which ATM is going down in value. And of course you lose any status owning a lesser model, while I had a gt3 I was ok with the Pistonheads massive lol. Now back in the R and back to a Porsche troll. :) But still loving the R and quickly racked up 6k miles since making the jump. Spec wise, again , got to be buckets and Spyder wheels with AC. And def think about paying a premium for a PCCB car if one crops up. Our new car arrives Tuesday , so cannot wait to get driving that :) smiles per £ our new car will take some beating. A JCW mini, it would have Been the gp but need 1 car out the 3 to have 4 seats.
 
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ORIGINAL: daro911
ORIGINAL: MrDemon As for PDK I am still very anti, had a loan new shape Cayman for a day, PDK is so dull and even in sport manual it still changes gear on ots own. In the end you just drive auto.
How does it change gear in manual mode unless you bring in the kickdown with an excessively HEAVY right foot to floor boards I have just had an amazingly spirited 35 mile drive in manual sport mode and never a single hint of an auto shift, lots of lovely smooth gear shifting in both directions upshifts with full throttle and downshifts with the rev matching a treat Maybe you should invest in some lessons on how to drive the future for gearboxes otherwise how will you cope with 991 Turbo or GT3 [:D][:D] Count to 10 please so I can dive for some cover [;)][:D]
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The steering was better in the new cayman than the new Boxster so let's start off with a plus point. But why the need for PDK to kick down in manual sports ? I find that stupid and there was still lag and this is gen 2 PDK. I found it horrid in non sports and the car did not have sports plus. I don't want to be in 4th floor it and it decides to put the car in 2nd !!! In auto it still has no idea what gear to be in, and when you watch jurno,s they are up and down the gears like idiots maybe selecting another gear for 1/2 a second before changing again. I,ll review PDK when you can buy a true manual of it, but exciting it's not, I can see why you would say you are going faster, but that's because it's easy. My gf would be faster a lap in a PDK car by 10 seconds, but I would still be another 10 seconds faster in my manual than her. It just flatters a driver with less experience. So in that respect I would say my gf would say it's more exciting over the manual because she is going faster. For me I am not going any faster in a PDK car but my brain has so much time free instead of driving I am thinking what's for tea later or sending a text message and hence why I say it's dull. It's a hobby I get great pleasure from , I want maximum interaction with my car and I want to make the gear choice 100% of the time and use all my limbs to do so.
 
Yep defo if i can find the right car which i am finding hard to find at present but got a few opcs and specialists on the case for trade ins and looking twice a day myself so time will tell. My ideal spec was the white R at knights garage not bothered about ceramics. As for lesser model just 911 snobs who have never owned or driven another model in my opinion. I dont worry about cred my cars have always been different and sometimes brave in colour. Had around 12 various models myself my wifes had 4 Boxster so got a fair idea about models. The R will suit my needs better for long trips in europe and some spirted driving where it can be driven. Horses for courses As for values Good well maintained GT3s are holding value but dont see them going up by loads at least not for 10 years or so ( I HOPE) Its a great car the GT3 in an ideal world I would keep it as well but not finacially feesable for me. Oh by the way its in this months GT Porsche mag for those interested. Search still on but got to be right car.[;)]
 
ORIGINAL: MrDemon But why the need for PDK to kick down in manual sports ? I don't want to be in 4th floor it and it decides to put the car in 2nd !!! In auto it still has no idea what gear to be in, and when you watch jurno,s they are up and down the gears like idiots maybe selecting another gear for 1/2 a second before changing again. I,ll review PDK when you can buy a true manual of it, but exciting it's not, I can see why you would say you are going faster, but that's because it's easy.
I could have written word for word almost everything you have said above from all my past PDK experiences Gen 1 or 2 But when I decided to drive the car in the manner I would drive a manual all of your above flaws are no longer present ( I have no idea when in auto as I will never be in auto mode) I was told by OPC sales bod that the car in manual mode will not change gears unless you go past the final stop and activate the kick down and this is available should some freak circumstance occur and you need to shift a s a p for whatever reason So he saw it as a PLUS and stressed drive the car in the correct fashion and you won't have any kick down interference in manual mode I can confirm when you follow the correct technique the kick down never becomes an issue and whilst there is definitely less interaction between man and machine there is no less fun to be had IMO Unless you can adjust your driving style to suit the newer technology you will always be able to rubbish the system (as above) but once you have mastered the required technique a lot of fun can be had each venture out & about be it fast and furious or cruise mode Fortunately although I am stick shift type through and through I have been able to adapt and have no regrets what so ever Would I buy a manual Porsche again ... sure ....equally right car right deal and I can happily live with pdk so I guess my future choices from Porsche will be far greater than yours as I will be looking at a much larger market [;)] On a different track my old manual Spyder on the very wrong look wheels and hot chairs still sold in 5 weeks despite the Christmas holiday period and atrocious weather for buying any drop top yet alone a Spyder with only a sun cap[8D]
 
ORIGINAL: MrDemon The steering was better in the new cayman than the new Boxster so let's start off with a plus point.
I found them noticably different too. Was subsequently told that Porsche has indeed set them up for a different drive. I preferred the Cayman set-up, felt slightly more direct.
 
Original: daro911 On a different track my old manual Spyder on the very wrong look wheels and hot chairs still sold in 5 weeks despite the Christmas holiday period and atrocious weather for buying any drop top yet alone a Spyder with only a sun cap[8D]
I hate to sound smug but I will this time[8D] It comes as no surprise to us does it daro. We've watched and learnt as many a spyder have sold all year round in any season. I don't know if the standard Boxster is seasonal as i've never owned one but the Spyder is a bit niche amd not a summer whim car. Plus we so few to choose from, buyers have learnt to be ready to buy the right car for them, whenever it comes up. The buyer of your old car may ideally want Spyder wheels but if the rest of the spec is right, he/she has to think long and hard about letting it pass vs biting the bullet on facing a wheel upgrade after purchase.
 
Guys the discussion on wheels is interesting as the Spyder was available with the option of 5 other wheels as well as the Spyder wheels. The thought of changing some of these wheels, which can be a good deal more expensive, and replacing them with Spyder wheels because they are the "standard" wheels seems to me a little unusual. One could be concerned about weight, however the difference in weight between some of these wheels and the Spyder wheels is a lot less than, say Aircon. Could you not just have a set of wheels you thought looked best on your car? Just a thought.
 
ORIGINAL: MillerIanF Guys the discussion on wheels is interesting as the Spyder was available with the option of 5 other wheels as well as the Spyder wheels. The thought of changing some of these wheels, which can be a good deal more expensive, and replacing them with Spyder wheels because they are the "standard" wheels seems to me a little unusual. One could be concerned about weight, however the difference in weight between some of these wheels and the Spyder wheels is a lot less than, say Aircon. Could you not just have a set of wheels you thought looked best on your car? Just a thought.
For me its not just the weight; the Spyder wheels are like part of the identity for the Spyder and Cayman R. Just my opinion. BTW who was it looking for Viper green Spyder? [:D][:D]
 
It's a fair question, but the general consensus is that quite a few people want the Spyder wheels on it. Whether that be the look or the lightness, I wanted them for a bit of both. The thing with the Spyder is that people didn't wake up to the car until long after it was launched, put off by the manual roof which takes the Spyder in a direction the Boxster hadn't been before in the market. Subsequently, many dealer allocations weren't taken up and dealers spec'd the cars themselves. Therefore, a lot of the Spyders we see with turbo II wheels doesn't reflect how many buyers of new cars preferred turbo II wheels. So I think many Spyders were bought nearly new, or new-but-spec'd-by-the-OPC and now that the demand for the cars has increased, it seems that the OPCs got it wrong and there are a lot of people talking about wanting the Spyder wheel when they buy one. And in true Porsche fashion, they charged extra for the other wheel options despite them being no 'better'. What does 'better' mean? That's everyone's own opinion but people seem to like the Spyder wheel's look (despite what OPCs speculated) and losing some weight from rotating mass is a good thing however small. The car was about saving weight. For sure some of us have some weight put back in but then if you put loads of weight back you feel less of a Spyderman[:D], so we all have our limits and the wheels is one of the must have weight savings for some I guess[;)] I suppose it's a bit like the GTS having a 5 stud option, but based on the cars seen for sale where the vast majority kept the centre locks, the Spyder wheel is just more popular than the other options - more popular than the amount of cars available with alternative wheels that dealers picked. I think because the turbo II wheel is typically the Porsche premium wheel (see it used on I think every model from 911 to Panamera) so maybe that is why dealers blindly thought it was an upgrade. Cars with Carrera Sport or Carrera Classic wheels are more likely to be a private buyers personal choice I think - note how rare these are seen vs the turbo II.
 
P.S. you will read on here people bluntly using the term 'wrong' wheels but that is tongue in cheek after one poster on here basically said that anything other than the brochure spec (no radio, bucket seats, no AC etc.) was just wrong wrong wrong[:D]. To which the rest of us said "We're very happy with our cars thank you and where have all the 'wrong' cars gone that were for sale?" [;)]
 
But is it just the look or is it the physics. I coppied this article from PH " The principle advantage of lowering unsprung weight (at least the one most people are talking about) is about how the wheel assembly deals with imperfections in the road surface. On a mirror-smooth surface you wouldn't notice, but even on the Silverstone circuit there are little dips and bumps that have to be managed. Then consider grazing those sawtooth kerbs. The critical area is the contact patch - rubber to tarmac. You want to keep this as constant as possible. If it suddenly spikes higher, you are not going to be able to react fast enough to use the extra grip generated (and you might be damaging the tyre). If it drops suddenly, you're going to lose grip and you're not going to be able to react to that (even if it's brief and minor, it's going to unsettle the car and you're going to waste time doing something about it). So the less it varies, the closer you can run to the optimum average grip available. With more grip you are going to be faster, and the car is going to remain more settled. So how does this work? First of all, remember that as you hit bumps, dips and kerbs, there's a displacement input - the road surface rises (or drops), your tyre has to move with it, and everything else has to sort itself out to deal with the new location of the road surface. Secondly, basic physics tells us that how quickly the system deals with this is determined by the stiffness of the spring (higher means faster), and the mass at the other end (less means faster). And the third point is to remember that we have several springs and masses. First, the tread area of the tyre (we could even separate the tread blocks from the rest of the carcass if we wanted to get really technical). Secondly the tyre sidewalls (and remember that each of these has mass as well as elasticity), then the major unsprung mass of the wheel and hub. Then the actual spring/damper. And finally the mass of the bodyshell. Now it helps here is you have done the O-level science experiment with springs and masses in series. If you have, you'd know that at the intermediate points between springs, all sorts of weird effects happen. Those points can move in ways that seem to bear no relation to the input (road surface) and far end (bodyshell). The main point is, though, if we consider the first stage from contact patch to unsprung mass (major part: wheel & hub), reducing the unsprung mass means that mass can move more quickly, and the load/pressure variation can be much smaller. The pressure variation at the contact patch is smaller, so the change in grip is smaller, so it's more predictable, so you can run closer to the limit (ie corner faster). And that's the principle benefit of reducing unsprung weight. Other benefits include: Damper settings: the damper works not only to control the movement of the bodyshell, but also to control the movement of the wheel/tyre. Reduce the unsprung mass, and you can probably reduce the amount of damping you need. This also (effectively) softens the whole springing system, amplifying the main benefit Noise/vibration/harshness: Think of a Range Rover crossing a sleeping policeman at decent speed. As the tyre hits the ramp, that huge mass of wheel gets hammered up into the air. The spring/damper tries to manage that load, but there's a huge load spike into the chassis that will be felt by the driver as a bang & thump. But if we replaced the wheel and hub with lightweight plastic ones, the input load to the spring/damper will be less (as this is now a force input), and we also have the possibility of siftening the damper setting. As a result, the load spike into the chassis is less, the bump/thump is less, and might even be reduced to that situation of the chassis gliding over the obstacle with the driver barely noticing. Chassis loads: As above, smaller load spikes are created at the chassis mounting points. That means less risk of failure, and particularly of fatigue failure. Good news for durability on a road car, but on a racecar it means you could save a bit of weight with a smaller mount. Rotational inertia: I'm always a bit skeptical of this, but I've heard several reports of it being noticeable. Rotational inertia is a product of the mass, and how far it is from the the axis of rotation. So using the rotational equivalent of F=ma, less rotational mass means less force for the same rotational acceleration. Of the total force (what the engine or brakes are providing), less is being spent on building rotational inertia, so more can be spent on accelerating the vehicle. Which means fitting carbon fibre wheel rims would provide an increase in vehicle acceleration. But most important of all is it's effect on how the suspension copes with variations in the road surface, and how little variation that induces in grip."
 
ORIGINAL: flat6 it seems that the OPCs got it wrong and there are a lot of people talking about wanting the Spyder wheel when they buy one. And in true Porsche fashion, they charged extra for the other wheel options despite them being no 'better'. What does 'better' mean? That's everyone's own opinion but people seem to like the Spyder wheel's look (despite what OPCs speculated) and losing some weight from rotating mass is a good thing however small. The car was about saving weight. For sure some of us have some weight put back in but then if you put loads of weight back you feel less of a Spyderman[:D], so we all have our limits and the wheels is one of the must have weight savings for some I guess[;)] I suppose it's a bit like the GTS having a 5 stud option, but based on the cars seen for sale where the vast majority kept the centre locks, the Spyder wheel is just more popular than the other options - more popular than the amount of cars available with alternative wheels that dealers picked. I think because the turbo II wheel is typically the Porsche premium wheel (see it used on I think every model from 911 to Panamera) so maybe that is why dealers blindly thought it was an upgrade. Cars with Carrera Sport or Carrera Classic wheels are more likely to be a private buyers personal choice I think - note how rare these are seen vs the turbo II.
I think flat6 has just about put that one to bed perfectly and some people like the original ordering OPC's dare to be different when buying there used Spyders and wheel[;)] accept whatever wheel their car has just to buy into the whole Spyder experience which is very much about the overall feel and handling of these superb sports cars Will repeat what I was told when at the PEC centre with an instructor where I was able to drive a completely stripped out Spyder with no extras other than the radio[:eek:] but to compensate for all this extra weight it had the ceramic brakes[:D] and then a fat boy with all boxes ticked including Turbo 11 alloys. I couldn't feel any difference between the 2 cars and he confirmed from the seat of your pants their isn't any and even in his expert hands he may squeeze 1 second off a hot lap but on public roads in normal folks hands there will be nothing in it at all. The feel and grip achieved is from the suspension and chassis set up, roof removal is a key component to the new feel and everything else is fine tuning and marketing hype[:D] Fortunately I bought into the Spyder more for it's stunning looks and overall driving experience than trying to buy something as light as a Lotus Elise with 10 more horses than the stock S so both my Spyders to date have been fat boys and both have rotated my wheels perfectly
 
ORIGINAL: flat6 P.S. you will read on here people bluntly using the term 'wrong' wheels but that is tongue in cheek after one poster on here basically said that anything other than the brochure spec (no radio, bucket seats, no AC etc.) was just wrong wrong wrong[:D]. To which the rest of us said "We're very happy with our cars thank you and where have all the 'wrong' cars gone that were for sale?" [;)]
My previous Spyder (the 911V car) which I sold with wrong wheels, wrong seats, and too many fat boy extras seems to have been the first of the 4 available at the time to go more proof that when it comes to Spyders the most popular spec to have is yet to be finalised :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
The Spyder wheel have more aggressive offsets so gives you a wider track hence handle better they are also wider. THe sport wheel is the only other wider wheel and is the best non Spyder wheel imo. The turbo 2 wheel looks good also but I would say all turbo 2 wheel cars are OPC spec, Porsche Solihull manager specs every single car with turbo 2 wheels. The black car for sale ATM with PCCB on turbo 2 wheels looks smart, the black 2 tone goes well with the black car. So while the sport wheel and the turbo 2 wheels both look great, in the future the car will be best value with Spyder wheels. So yes no right and wrong I guess, best performance on the car will be the Spyder wheel and best resale in 10 years time will be Spyder wheel cars, there is no getting away from that just because that's the spec Porsche intended for the car. I would also say even now there are more buyers out there looking for cars with Spyder wheels, so it just gives you a bigger market to sell to now if you car has them. People on here now looking for Cayman R and Spyders, wheels seems a big buying issue if not on Spyder wheels. But I would rather have that black car with PCCB and non Spyder wheels and then buy some wheels for 4k. You cannot retro fit PCCB less than 15k. I see the 911v car has sold now, but with a 1k price drop. So a lot cheaper than a 42k OPC car. I could sell my car for 40k tomorrow, I have a buyer for it , if I decide to sell and yes another ex westfield/ caterham owner. I am doing a few sprint events this year so if my car can be even 1/10th quicker then the next car , I want that advantage :) every car advantage offsets my lack of driving skill.
 
ORIGINAL: MrDemon I see the 911v car has sold now, but with a 1k price drop. So a lot cheaper than a 42k OPC car. I could sell my car for 40k tomorrow, I have a buyer for it , if I decide to sell and yes another ex westfield/ caterham owner. I am doing a few sprint events this year so if my car can be even 1/10th quicker then the next car , I want that advantage :) every car advantage offsets my lack of driving skill.
The price drop was actually a strange one £500 but moved it just under the £37k psychological barrier maybe [&o]
 
ORIGINAL: daro911
ORIGINAL: MrDemon I see the 911v car has sold now, but with a 1k price drop. So a lot cheaper than a 42k OPC car. I could sell my car for 40k tomorrow, I have a buyer for it , if I decide to sell and yes another ex westfield/ caterham owner. I am doing a few sprint events this year so if my car can be even 1/10th quicker then the next car , I want that advantage :) every car advantage offsets my lack of driving skill.
The price drop was actually a strange one £500 but moved it just under the £37k psychological barrier maybe [&o]
Maybe £500 is a wheel re-spray and replacing the Boxster badge [:)]
 

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