Well done Rob - my choice. But like you would I swap for my spyder - not a chance! None the less a lovely little car!ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Go on, I'll accept the challenge. Not saying I would but... find an interesting car you could (give or take a couple of quid) swap your Spyder for. My starter for ten. www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/ferrari/355/ferrari-f355-spider/308050?isexperiment=true
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Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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Whilst we all accept that this iis an impossible challenge as we are all driving a future classic now if push came to shove I would buy [&o]ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Go on, I'll accept the challenge.
The future is looking great for Cheese []ORIGINAL: jdpef356 New Page new Spyder Pic - Chalk and Cheese - Both will make you smile from ear to ear![][]
I think the "game plan" is to keep to a similar budget not spend another £200-225k on top of your Spyder[] http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C424604ORIGINAL: jdpef356 Im getting greedy - my second choice but in GTS format![]
Lot of Ferrari love from the Spydermen. MrD, I think you crashed the budget. John, you definitely did. [] Andy would still leave me for dust around those Welsh hills in one of those!
Wow - values of those have gone mental. I remember when you could get a good one for £50k!ORIGINAL: daro911I think the "game plan" is to keep to a similar budget not spend another £200-225k on top of your Spyder[] http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C424604ORIGINAL: jdpef356 Im getting greedy - my second choice but in GTS format![]
In 1973 A Dino GTS with chairs & flairs could be bought brand new for circa £7000.00 and when used and slightly abused for as little as £3-4k [&o] Enthusiasts generally group the 246s into three broad categories. The first series of 357 built are known as the "L" cars, identifiable by their having the same wheels as the earlier 206 GT. The "M" series cars, of which 507 were built, had Cromodora wheels and a different windshield wiper arrangement. Finally, the "E" series cars appeared in late 1971 and were the most numerous, filling out the balance of the total 3,883 cars built. Included in this final series was the 246 GTS, which incorporated a neat Targa-style removable roof for those who desired an open-air option. "Chairs and Flares" are the most desirable optional equipment for these cars, and the phrase refers to Daytona-style seats and metal flares that widened the bodywork. While these two options typically appeared together, they could be ordered separately as well. The Ferrari Dino 246 GT's $14,500 MSRP was comparable to the Porsche 911 during the early 1970s, the car it most closely competed with. Since that time, the Dino has appreciated in a way that its German counterpart has yet to see. Furthermore, the Dino’s 2.4-liter V-6 creates a wonderfully entertaining high-RPM scream just a foot behind the driver’s ears, which simply heightens the ownership and driving experience even more. Very impressive for a car that was a "budget" offering when new and wasn’t even deemed worthy of the prancing pony badge.
Hi Flat6 Sorry, Driving it differently is a poor choice of words, what I meant was, because there’s no clutch and no stick change thus less physical/mental involvement it felt like you could drive more relaxed on twisties because there is no great effort in changing gear. I guess that’s where most are saying the loss is, less involved, easier. Personally, it still left me exhilarated enough to want to buy another paddle shift.ORIGINAL: flat6Hello Al In what way did you drive it differently?ORIGINAL: 993AL Not to perpetuate the Manual Vs. PDK box argument. I too was “manual only†at one time, the thought of a Porsche with an auto box was just wrong to me, a sports car MUST have a manual box, or so I thought. After having the Lambo with paddles, for me personally it didn’t detract from the car, it meant that I drove the car differently of course but it didn’t leave me feeling that I should have bought one with a manual box. I bought the Spyder a few months ago with the manual box but I’d have been just as happy with PDK I think….at least I hope, as I’m awaiting a firm delivery date for the GT3. I like the Spyder a lot but I won’t be keeping both so it will be hitting the classifieds soon.
Sorry that it's a bit O/T I don’t subscribe to the poor electric steering, negative comments on PDK etc. I prefer to look at my cars as a bucket list with Porsche at the top, as they always have been. I haven’t driven the car but the hype and what I have seen and read about it is enough for me to want it, I’m not that anal (not saying that you are) that the difference between electric steering and ‘normal’ steering will be that big a deal that I won’t want to drive the car. I would probably have like the GT3 RS but I was told by my OPC that I had no chance of getting one, they said it had been long oversubscribed, at least at my OPC.ORIGINAL: MrDemon I could sell up my cars and buy a 991GT3 but then have to live with electric steering and PDK all be it the very best of Electric and PDK I guess. I did think long and hard about it though, but decided to keep what I had. Just cannot spend £110k with out ever seeing it or driving it. and with 250 cars and the RS coming out soon, you will be able to pick up one under list when all 250 have landed and people have flipped them for the RS. is the new 991 GT3 a step to far ? Walter Rohrl seems to think it is. only time will tell.
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Before buying the Spyder I looked at both the 355 and 360 Spyders. Both cars need a timing belt change every couple of years whether you drive it or not. Used to be you had to take the engine out to do this now, I am told, with the 355 it is possible but not in any way easy to change the belt from under the car. The 360 can be changed from behind the seats but still not a simple job. Assuming these cars don't give any trouble the ongoing maintenance alone is excessive never mind the 16mpg. I have a 986 that has been in the OPC once for service in the 14 years I have had it (to maintain warranty), basic maintenance is quite easy, fluid changes etc which I do myself, there are no complex service issues the car starts and runs like new every time I take it out, German engineering. It is inevitable that sooner or later something will expire, probably electrical, after14 years I will be happy to pay OPC to sort it. In addition there are a lot more 355s, 360s and 430s than there are Spyders. My youth was spent in E Type Jaguars and various other mainly open topped sports cars, one thing I learned from this was that a classic open top sports car will become valuable, some very valuable over time, wish I had kept the early 4.2 drop head E Type. In summary the Spyder is open topped, it is from a famous brand, it is relatively rare and relatively easy to maintain, people are only now starting to realise how good it is and it will put a smile on the owners face for years to come. I think all of this probably makes the Spyder one of best if not the best sports car you can buy at the moment. Of course I may be a bit biased!
Now mine was spent in TR's: E Types:Lotus:before finally breaking into the real deal Porsche[] I guess the closest I ever got to a family car for me was 911 SC Targa: SC Cabrio: Carrera Cabrio: Then it was all change and back to 2 seaters 911 Speedster: 986:986S:987S:987 Spyder manual & today a late 987 Spyder PDK: What next absolutely no idea but very content for now[8D]ORIGINAL: MillerIanF My youth was spent in E Type Jaguars and various other mainly open topped sports cars, one thing I learned from this was that a classic open top sports car will become valuable, some very valuable over time, wish I had kept the early 4.2 drop head E Type. In summary the Spyder is open topped, it is from a famous brand, it is relatively rare and relatively easy to maintain, people are only now starting to realise how good it is and it will put a smile on the owners face for years to come. I think all of this probably makes the Spyder one of best if not the best sports car you can buy at the moment. Of course I may be a bit biased!
I agree to a point, the hype around all new cars is crazy, but I just don't like the way new cars are going, that's just me. As driving is my major hobby, I do like to be involved as much as possible. And reports of the steering are still quoted as "not as good" but better than a standard 991, add in rear wheel steering and PDK and you just end up with a GTR type car but with A Porsche badge on it. And before the 991GT3 was ever talked about the GTR was the so called "play station car" right or wrong it got a name for being easy to go from A to B fast, Now Porsche are doing it. walter rohrl makes very valid points on the subject and is also shying away from owning one. they look awesome, they are very fast, they sound awesome, the wheels are the best I have ever seen on any car, I love them IN THEORY, but after a few months would I feel the car is now too good and miss what I had. Who knows, but I did not want to take the risk,I love all 3 of my cars, they are all top of their game and also last of an era, the risk was too great to have to sell all 3 to fund the GT3. It's going to be great getting one for current owners , it's a no risk buy for most people, and atm fetching over list and will do for the next 6 months. please call me on 07703 192828 about your Spyder though I might have some one interested in it. And please take me out in your 991 GT3 when you get it, for the noise alone that puts a smile on anyones face.ORIGINAL: 993ALSorry that it's a bit O/T I don’t subscribe to the poor electric steering, negative comments on PDK etc. I prefer to look at my cars as a bucket list with Porsche at the top, as they always have been. I haven’t driven the car but the hype and what I have seen and read about it is enough for me to want it, I’m not that anal (not saying that you are) that the difference between electric steering and ‘normal’ steering will be that big a deal that I won’t want to drive the car. I would probably have like the GT3 RS but I was told by my OPC that I had no chance of getting one, they said it had been long oversubscribed, at least at my OPC.ORIGINAL: MrDemon I could sell up my cars and buy a 991GT3 but then have to live with electric steering and PDK all be it the very best of Electric and PDK I guess. I did think long and hard about it though, but decided to keep what I had. Just cannot spend £110k with out ever seeing it or driving it. and with 250 cars and the RS coming out soon, you will be able to pick up one under list when all 250 have landed and people have flipped them for the RS. is the new 991 GT3 a step to far ? Walter Rohrl seems to think it is. only time will tell.
I know what you mean, When I drove a Spyder around PEC it was PDK and it wouldn't have been half as much fun for me personally if it was manual. I say that because on an unfamiliar stretch of road like that where your braking and lines are paramount to wanting to get around it quickly, trying to whip in some swift gear changes by taking my hand off the wheel would have been a distraction and I probably would have left some gear changes out to concentrate, especially with the instructor sitting alongside trying to get you to go faster. OK, that's me, but on an unfamiliar stretch of road where I want to concentrate on other driving aspects I think it does increase the speed and therefore the fun and therefore the involvement. Back to back with the Spyder at PEC I drove a manual C4S. Putting the handling differences aside, the manual shifting didn't do me any favours. The corners are close together on that small circuit and you have to put everything together neatly to go quickly - exit throttle, up-shifts, racing line, braking point, and fitting in your down-shifts with all that. Someone might say go take some driving lessons and maybe I should but if I did that i'd train on the later tool[] Still enjoy manual and for the majority of my driving its quick enough. My only ever gripe with PDK was normal mode in auto which is how the settings spent the majority of the time when I loaned them because sport and sport plus became a bit impractical on the road in auto. Looking forward to giving manual mode a try[]ORIGINAL: 993ALHi Flat6 Sorry, Driving it differently is a poor choice of words, what I meant was, because there’s no clutch and no stick change thus less physical/mental involvement it felt like you could drive more relaxed on twisties because there is no great effort in changing gear. I guess that’s where most are saying the loss is, less involved, easier. Personally, it still left me exhilarated enough to want to buy another paddle shift.ORIGINAL: flat6Hello Al In what way did you drive it differently?ORIGINAL: 993AL Not to perpetuate the Manual Vs. PDK box argument. I too was “manual only†at one time, the thought of a Porsche with an auto box was just wrong to me, a sports car MUST have a manual box, or so I thought. After having the Lambo with paddles, for me personally it didn’t detract from the car, it meant that I drove the car differently of course but it didn’t leave me feeling that I should have bought one with a manual box. I bought the Spyder a few months ago with the manual box but I’d have been just as happy with PDK I think….at least I hope, as I’m awaiting a firm delivery date for the GT3. I like the Spyder a lot but I won’t be keeping both so it will be hitting the classifieds soon.
Surfing the net to find interesting videos of Spyders, as you do and found this. To my surprise it's actually the car I've just bought. One previous careful owner [] [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im5BSKMd0Ss]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im5BSKMd0Ss[/link]
It's all true one previous careful owner and a couple of dozen hooligans [] Hope they have changed the tyres since filming []ORIGINAL: DarrellWilson Surfing the net to find interesting videos of Spyders, as you do and found this. To my surprise it's actually the car I've just bought. One previous careful owner [] [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im5BSKMd0Ss]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im5BSKMd0Ss[/link]
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