Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[MrDemon]

We all knew that car was coming and I guessed the price it would be to the £, !! Very very low spec car and we know what they paid for it also, easiest money they will ever make if it sells in a few days. Could have been any ones car for 31k when the private buyer had it up for sale, it's no wonder a dealer bought it. To quote me on page 412 "well 911 Virgin will get that 31K one to sell at I guess £35,995 and the one I know of will be at top 555" Lol

 

[daro911]

A few minor points It has a pre June 2010 non black steering wheel and a 10 plate to match but ad says its a October 2010 Spyder so why isn't it a 60 plate reg and the black finish steering wheel[&o] I think this car could be a March - May 2010 example and October 2010 is some sort of error

 

[DarrellWilson]

ORIGINAL: MillerIanF

ORIGINAL: DarrellWilson I can't work out why the car at Sutherland cars (autotrader) priced at £37,990 hasn't sold. Good spec with lots of extras, only 12k miles, has the rare & expensive PCCB, buckets and PSE, granted it hasn't got Spyder wheels and it's black but looks good value to me. I'd be tempted if I was still in the market.

I often wondered if the maintenance on PCCB was prohibitive. Certainly if discs and pads were renewed as often as standard ones the cost would be off putting, I imagine.

Extract from post on PH below, suggests that pads are no more expensive and you may get more life. Obviously the expensive replacements are discs which need to be cared for. Found perfect 997 but its got ceramic brakes. Now I know replacement cost is £5000 for these, mega expensive!! So how long do a set of ceramic pads / disc tend to last? Car in question has done 35,000 miles, 3 owners and is still on the originals, car is perfect and can't detect any lip on the disc, was just wondering if anyone knows what the typical lifespan is on Porsche ceramics? PCCB discs are about £2.5-3K PER CORNER now IIRC, however the PCCB pads aren't a lot more expensive than the standard items. The PCCB pads last about the same amount of time as the steel versions but if you're planning on tracking the car they need to be replaced when they're 50% worn, leave them in any longer and you'll run the risk of damaging the discs. For road use only you may get more life out of the PCCB pads, but for the cost of them I think I'd see their early replacement as insurance towards the discs longevity. The handbrake on the majority of modern Porsches does not act on the PCCB disc itself, rather a separate set of shoes works on a drum formed on the inside of the hub of the rear discs. Whlist it's good practice to do a cooling down lap or two on trackdays normal road use or use of the handbrake will not adversely affect the ceramic discs in any way. As for just how long the PCCBs will last ? Porsche originally quoted in excess of 110K miles for life of the PCCB discs the 996 GT2, that turned out to be somewhat exaggerated claim . . . . Personally I think the PCCBs are a worthwhile option (and come with the added benefit of keeping your wheels free of brake dust)

 

[rob.kellock]

ORIGINAL: daro911 A few minor points It has a pre June 2010 non black steering wheel and a 10 plate to match but ad says its a October 2010 Spyder so why isn't it a 60 plate reg and the black finish steering wheel[&o] I think this car could be a March - May 2010 example and October 2010 is some sort of error

Agreed. But may not have been registered straight away? Doesn't explain the 10 plate though. MrD has access to a crystal ball tonight. Hope you guys are safe and sound, pretty wild night here.

 

[jdpef356]

Some strange goings on![&:] We only ever see the Spyder going up for sale in the UK. OK some mention of the US market on this forum. But I've seen nothing of the Far East enter yet - Hong Kong, Singapore and Australia. Just had a quick search and could find nothing in those areas. How long before these RHD markets gets a whiff of the Spyder (or perhaps they have already done so and I've not spotted) What will happen when and if they do wake up to the Spyder?

 

[MrDemon]

My Exige went out the country as do most gt3 rs4.o which come for sale. If that market wants a Spyder then they will rocket up in price. The USA market is bucket seat mad on their cars, and they sell fast over the pond. PCCB should last 100k . the pads are more money as they are larger 6 pots. On track it seems about heat management. People seem to misuse them and think they car do 100laps at a go. I would always try and get PCCB , most of the time the cost of buying car with them on is the same. So the plus point is you get the large calipers, so even if you were scared of the ceramic disks, 350mm steels just bolt on and you have a big brake conversion. The performance with larger disks and the 6 pots is night and day over the tiny disks and 4 pots. On the looks point of view they do look great ESP the rears as steels are tiny. No dust is also very nice, (you do get a little dust) When I take people out in the Spyder, the biggest wow from people is the braking performance.

 

[flat6]

It's good that you have both to compare, on pretty much identical cars. Sometimes you get people who opt for steel saying that PCCB's offer no extra stopping power and people who opt for PCCB saying that they do and they never agree with each other. As per this thread http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=803700&mpage=3 How would you describe the difference in the braking characteristics of your Spyder and R?

 

[MrDemon]

confidence inspiring I think Porsche state some thing like 10 stops from a certain speed with steels and with PCCB its 3x that at the same speed before fade. the big change is the size and going from 4 pots to 6 pots. I see on the other thread people talk about stopping at the same distance, because of ABS cutting in, that's utter balls lol I did tests on this very forum thread (Spyder vs R) and posted the results, my Spyder matching a £1 million P1 stopping power from 60 mph. you cannot get ABS to cut in at 100 mph even if you stamp on your steels, it's just not possible, so if that's the case bigger brakes will stop you in a shorter time. AT 30 mph then yes the steels will match the PCCB or at any speed you can get the ABS to trigger but that's only till about 40 mph. above 40 mph PCCB will stop you in a shorter distance and 3 x as many times in a row. You also get more bite with the PCCB, but that might just be the pad and master cylinder combo though. Andy has better pads, and the gt3 master, he has also been on track in the green PCCB car, I think he will say the PCCB performance is gob smaking.

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock

ORIGINAL: daro911 A few minor points It has a pre June 2010 non black steering wheel and a 10 plate to match but ad says its a October 2010 Spyder so why isn't it a 60 plate reg and the black finish steering wheel[&o] I think this car could be a March - May 2010 example and October 2010 is some sort of error

Agreed. But may not have been registered straight away? Doesn't explain the 10 plate though. MrD has access to a crystal ball tonight. Hope you guys are safe and sound, pretty wild night here.

As I suspected it was a typo and has been corrected now [] http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/814/BoxsterSpyder(Generation2)/

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: kitchens That picture has got me thinking again about my wheels . Black or stay Silver at least the insides would be cleaner that those in the post and would go for Black nuts []

[Sorry for the big pictures!] I think it looks really good with red and also reduces the colour combo on the car from 3 colours to 2, which has an effect that you may or may not like. I think the only colour Spyder that I prefer silver wheels on is a silver one []

 

[philnotts99]

I agree...red with black alloys does look good. Hard call between white or red if both come up in the spec i want! Phil

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon confidence inspiring I think Porsche state some thing like 10 stops from a certain speed with steels and with PCCB its 3x that at the same speed before fade. the big change is the size and going from 4 pots to 6 pots. I see on the other thread people talk about stopping at the same distance, because of ABS cutting in, that's utter balls lol I did tests on this very forum thread (Spyder vs R) and posted the results, my Spyder matching a £1 million P1 stopping power from 60 mph. you cannot get ABS to cut in at 100 mph even if you stamp on your steels, it's just not possible, so if that's the case bigger brakes will stop you in a shorter time. AT 30 mph then yes the steels will match the PCCB or at any speed you can get the ABS to trigger but that's only till about 40 mph. above 40 mph PCCB will stop you in a shorter distance and 3 x as many times in a row. You also get more bite with the PCCB, but that might just be the pad and master cylinder combo though. Andy has better pads, and the gt3 master, he has also been on track in the green PCCB car, I think he will say the PCCB performance is gob smaking.

Thanks. I remember you did an acceleration test Spyder vs R but don't recall the brake test. If you still have the results please could you post them again. One the most important factors to me in how fast a car can drive through a twisty section of tarmac is braking, so i'd be interested to see the comparison.

 

[MrDemon]

I'll do a better one in both cars, it was a quick test from 60mph to stop and the Spyder stopped shorter, no idea where my results are but when its dry I want to do the same test at 100mph to 0 the issue is my tyres are better on the Spyder having the race maxx, but I am ordering the PSS for the R in the next week or so and I am also fitting better pads to the R, RS29 race pads. so can do a before and after on the pad change also.

 

[flat6]

Cool! []

 

[VvrooomM]

ORIGINAL: daro911

ORIGINAL: philnotts99 New to market i think - http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201402121746724/sort/pricedesc/usedcars/postcode/ng93eu/model/boxster/price-from/6000/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/keywords/SPYDER/price-to/45000/page/1/make/porsche/maximum-mileage/up_to_60000_miles/radius/1501?logcode=p

Surprised to see Bramley dealing in a Spyder again as the last one they had was in stock for sale for about a year[]

Only because they wouldn't sell it for what was market value, I tried - it had no warranty bar the eight months or so that were left and they wanted 2-3k more than the Bristol OPC car I bought with 2.5 years warranty. It was 4800 miles against 101 miles and for me I couldn't justify the price. It had also been sat their for a long time without being driven - it was criminal!!!

 

[billy1]

ORIGINAL: VvrooomM

ORIGINAL: daro911

ORIGINAL: philnotts99 New to market i think - http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201402121746724/sort/pricedesc/usedcars/postcode/ng93eu/model/boxster/price-from/6000/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/keywords/SPYDER/price-to/45000/page/1/make/porsche/maximum-mileage/up_to_60000_miles/radius/1501?logcode=p

Surprised to see Bramley dealing in a Spyder again as the last one they had was in stock for sale for about a year[]

Only because they wouldn't sell it for what was market value, I tried - it had no warranty bar the eight months or so that were left and they wanted 2-3k more than the Bristol OPC car I bought with 2.5 years warranty. It was 4800 miles against 101 miles and for me I couldn't justify the price. It had also been sat their for a long time without being driven - it was criminal!!!

I think there were asking £45k or so - given current prices, that would look cheap for a 101 mile car today!

 

[VvrooomM]

He came down to 43k I think but I paid under 40k with 2 years extra warranty. Like for like excluding the miles there was 5k in it.

 

[VvrooomM]

Think it sold for a smidge under 40k which is what I was prepared to pay at the time, he wouldn't deal however and the part ex price he gave on my Z4MC I bettered by 3k.

 

[jdpef356]

Thing are moving at pace - just a quick summary:- Brian is seeing double whilst Daro911 can see no further than steering wheels Mr Demon looks in his ball of crystal Flat6 is seeing Red VrooomM recalls the past And Billy1 does a Leslie Welch Phllnotts99 wants buckets Darrell Wilson cant work it out Andy Fagan show us a foot on the Arch Rob K has a wild night and someone makes him an offer And me I'm watching the weather! Get em out on Sunday Gents! http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/265394

 

[DarrellWilson]

....... so the next thing I'm trying to work out (thanks John []) is tyre pressures for Saturday's track day - conditions are anyone's guess but guidance for a dry track & wet track, for each of the four corners, 6 degrees outside temperature. Thanks.