Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[rob.kellock]

You don't need a Spyder, you need a hovercraft! I keep mine set as per normal but then I am a complete amateur at track days and don't push very hard relative to people who know what they are doing like AndyF and MrD. I've never had a noticeable issue with them though. New page etc.

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock You don't need a Spyder, you need a hovercraft! I keep mine set as per normal but then I am a complete amateur at track days and don't push very hard relative to people who know what they are doing like AndyF and MrD. I've never had a noticeable issue with them though. New page etc.

Rob due to appalling weather set to hit Blightie in next 24 hours [] Get the polish out and give the car a good detailing for better days to come

 

[rob.kellock]

Good plan, can't beat a couple of hours peace in the garage with some microfibre cloths, Zymol, the radiator and some tunes on. Won't be conducive to a romantic Valentine's day tomorrow though...

 

[philnotts99]

Spyder at Top 555 sold. Interesting to know what they got for that. I thought low spec but high price. Maybe 40 ish k :/ Phil

 

[rob.kellock]

Wow. That went quickly.

 

[philnotts99]

Yep...2/3 days?!.. If it had buckets i would of bought it, even though it was quite low spec. Phil

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Wow. That went quickly.

Rob after 97000 hits and 100's of pics I think Porsche's best kept secret is finally out of the garage and well on the road to further fame and fortune [][]

 

[MillerIanF]

ORIGINAL: DarrellWilson

ORIGINAL: MillerIanF

ORIGINAL: DarrellWilson I can't work out why the car at Sutherland cars (autotrader) priced at £37,990 hasn't sold. Good spec with lots of extras, only 12k miles, has the rare & expensive PCCB, buckets and PSE, granted it hasn't got Spyder wheels and it's black but looks good value to me. I'd be tempted if I was still in the market.

I often wondered if the maintenance on PCCB was prohibitive. Certainly if discs and pads were renewed as often as standard ones the cost would be off putting, I imagine.

Extract from post on PH below, suggests that pads are no more expensive and you may get more life. Obviously the expensive replacements are discs which need to be cared for. Found perfect 997 but its got ceramic brakes. Now I know replacement cost is £5000 for these, mega expensive!! So how long do a set of ceramic pads / disc tend to last? Car in question has done 35,000 miles, 3 owners and is still on the originals, car is perfect and can't detect any lip on the disc, was just wondering if anyone knows what the typical lifespan is on Porsche ceramics? PCCB discs are about £2.5-3K PER CORNER now IIRC, however the PCCB pads aren't a lot more expensive than the standard items. The PCCB pads last about the same amount of time as the steel versions but if you're planning on tracking the car they need to be replaced when they're 50% worn, leave them in any longer and you'll run the risk of damaging the discs. For road use only you may get more life out of the PCCB pads, but for the cost of them I think I'd see their early replacement as insurance towards the discs longevity. The handbrake on the majority of modern Porsches does not act on the PCCB disc itself, rather a separate set of shoes works on a drum formed on the inside of the hub of the rear discs. Whlist it's good practice to do a cooling down lap or two on trackdays normal road use or use of the handbrake will not adversely affect the ceramic discs in any way. As for just how long the PCCBs will last ? Porsche originally quoted in excess of 110K miles for life of the PCCB discs the 996 GT2, that turned out to be somewhat exaggerated claim . . . . Personally I think the PCCBs are a worthwhile option (and come with the added benefit of keeping your wheels free of brake dust)

Sounds like the PCCB shouldn't put a buyer of then, don't know why the car hasn't sold.

 

[MrDemon]

Top 555 is in a very rich area I guess. And also prob the cheapest car in there.

 

[billy1]

ORIGINAL: MillerIanF

ORIGINAL: DarrellWilson

ORIGINAL: MillerIanF

ORIGINAL: DarrellWilson I can't work out why the car at Sutherland cars (autotrader) priced at £37,990 hasn't sold. Good spec with lots of extras, only 12k miles, has the rare & expensive PCCB, buckets and PSE, granted it hasn't got Spyder wheels and it's black but looks good value to me. I'd be tempted if I was still in the market.

I often wondered if the maintenance on PCCB was prohibitive. Certainly if discs and pads were renewed as often as standard ones the cost would be off putting, I imagine.

Extract from post on PH below, suggests that pads are no more expensive and you may get more life. Obviously the expensive replacements are discs which need to be cared for. Found perfect 997 but its got ceramic brakes. Now I know replacement cost is £5000 for these, mega expensive!! So how long do a set of ceramic pads / disc tend to last? Car in question has done 35,000 miles, 3 owners and is still on the originals, car is perfect and can't detect any lip on the disc, was just wondering if anyone knows what the typical lifespan is on Porsche ceramics? PCCB discs are about £2.5-3K PER CORNER now IIRC, however the PCCB pads aren't a lot more expensive than the standard items. The PCCB pads last about the same amount of time as the steel versions but if you're planning on tracking the car they need to be replaced when they're 50% worn, leave them in any longer and you'll run the risk of damaging the discs. For road use only you may get more life out of the PCCB pads, but for the cost of them I think I'd see their early replacement as insurance towards the discs longevity. The handbrake on the majority of modern Porsches does not act on the PCCB disc itself, rather a separate set of shoes works on a drum formed on the inside of the hub of the rear discs. Whlist it's good practice to do a cooling down lap or two on trackdays normal road use or use of the handbrake will not adversely affect the ceramic discs in any way. As for just how long the PCCBs will last ? Porsche originally quoted in excess of 110K miles for life of the PCCB discs the 996 GT2, that turned out to be somewhat exaggerated claim . . . . Personally I think the PCCBs are a worthwhile option (and come with the added benefit of keeping your wheels free of brake dust)

Sounds like the PCCB shouldn't put a buyer of then, don't know why the car hasn't sold.

I think PCCB puts plenty of buyers off - most wouldn't want to modify the car by fitting steels and £3500 per disk is a big risk. I for one wouldn't even consider buying a car with PCCB. The benefit simply doesn't outweigh the risk for me.

 

[billy1]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Wow. That went quickly.

Astonishing!

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon Top 555 is in a very rich area I guess. And also prob the cheapest car in there.

As one can say the same thing about Bramley let's see how quickly there Spyder crawls from the web[]

 

[rob.kellock]

ORIGINAL: billy1 I for one wouldn't even consider buying a car with PCCB. The benefit simply doesn't outweigh the risk for me.

I would love one. Lovely clean wheels...

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock

ORIGINAL: billy1 I for one wouldn't even consider buying a car with PCCB. The benefit simply doesn't outweigh the risk for me.

I would love one. Lovely clean wheels...

billy 1 is thinking straighter here as much as I would love brake dust free wheels you still pick up enough road grime anyway to warrant a clean after a 100 dry miles I would guess and the grief and expense those yellow calipers can deliver far outweighs the more than adequate stopping power of the standard red ones [] unless you are a track day thrasher on a regular basis of course

 

[MrDemon]

PCCB every time, as I said to buy the car is no more expensive so 1: you could sell the full PCCB kit for a very large amount 2: keep the massive 6 pots and fit steels and again keep or sell just the ceramic disks 3: just forget them and just enjoy the extra performance, if they wear out just buy a set of steel disks. so no risk is there ? to add they are a better road disk than a track disk road use they should last the life of the car within reason.

 

[rob.kellock]

They are lighter and they keep the wheels clean and the internet is not awash with people moaning about them breaking. What's not to like? []

 

[Andy Fagan]

If anyone wants to do a swap for my standard Cayman R (Mint) red calipers for their PCCB's I will be happy to discuss, even if disc's need replacing [8D]

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock

Where are you there Rob? A rare red Spyder too.

 

[billy1]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock

They are lighter and they keep the wheels clean and the internet is not awash with people moaning about them breaking. What's not to like? []

I very nearly bought a PCCB equipped car. But having looked into it, the risk was sufficient to put me off and I wasn't unhappy when the deal fell through. For the type of driving I do PCCB would provide minimal benefit. I'm sure that's the case for the vast majority of Porsche buyers (not Spyders perhaps). Most people wouldn't want to modify the car by fitting steels I would imagine. In a few years the car will effectively become a write-off if it needs new discs @ £14k a set!

 

[MrDemon]

read my reasons buying a PCCB car is a win win for most people even if you go on a forum and offer a swap with some one for steels and get them to pay for the swap. as for changing disks, it's 1 small screw and they fall off once the wheel is off. even if I were shit scared of running ceramic disks, I would buy the PCCB car just for the 4 hugh calipers and fit steel disks. I like you felt the same 100% and avoided a PCCB car like any thing a few years back, but put your thinking cap on a bit and they are a win win which ever way you look at them. to buy and fit the 4 bigger calipers and the bigger master cylinder would be quite big money if you felt you wanted better brakes ie easy over 6k all in for every thing and some 2 piece disks all round. if they don't break you might never have to ever buys disks again ! that's also a hugh saving every 20k miles or so.