Read my reasons too. It's all well and good if you're happy to muck about with modifying the car, going on forums etc. The vast majority of Porsche buyers will do not such thing. When simply having the tyres changed risks chipping a disk unless you go to Porsche everytime, for many people (myself included) PCCB are a benefit not worth having.
Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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Big E
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Well, I just booked in the Spyder for it's major (4 year) service at the start of April. I guess mine is one of the older and more travelled (22k) than most on here! Quoted £1,100.00 incl VAT by (a very pleasant to deal with) Tonbridge OPC before the PCGB discount which I actually thought was very reasonable after coming from BMW M service costs!
they will be pleasant getting 1.1k off you lol mines over due and been saying service for ages, been trying to get the price down as 1.1k is a rip off imo for a oil change and spark plug change. a indy price would be about £500 for a full major with plugs !!! 1.1k for 3 hours work some oil at £60 and 6 spark plugs is taking the piss imo. did that inc new brake fluid change also ? again a £50 job which they want £200 for !! and god forbid if you have AC and need that doing also !
Big E
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I believe that's inclusive of brake fluid change. I don't see that as a bad price, they'll pick the car up and drop it off so my work isn't interrupted and do a job that I have no interest in doing myself. It would certainly cost me a lot more than £1k in my time if I attempted it! I think my last M3 service was over £1,600 and I had to pay to have a courtesy car (a Vauxhall!!)
Mine is due in May. I'm currently on 20k miles. Big E are you renewing the warranty on yours too? The mark up on labour rates is highly profitable for the motor industry generally. I employ 4 criminal duty solicitors and the current legal aid payment rates are broadly 1/3 of the hourly rate the OPCs charge for mechanical work. The quickest route to qualification as a duty solicitor takes a minimum of 7 years, a degree, a post graduate diploma and significant work experience. They are contractually obliged to deal with murderers, rapists, paedophiles, violent thugs, you name it both alleged and actual. I could change spark plugs, oil and filter on a car at 14 before I had any qualifications! Remind me, how much does it cost to set up an OPC, Preston will need one soon for all those Macans... [
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I don't earn £600 in 1 hour, so it pays me to get it to an indy and save £600 for the 30 minutes each way it will take me to drop and pick the car up. I am trying to get my OPC down to £800 all in and will go opc route if they agree. My cars get well looked after, but I hate giving money away esp when they service the older car for 1/2 the price to get the work back off the indies, they only charge because of the warranty, again I am not renewing that either.
"If they spec them" is somewhat different to "if they're on a used car." Together with the wheels, it might explain why the black car hasn't sold. The very fact that, as you say, PCCB adds no value in the used market indicates that they are not a popular option. By rights they should retain some form of premium, but they don't - because, in my view, used buyers don't want to take a risk on PCCBs.
Lawyers criticising car dealers for being expensive - whatever next! One of the key factors in labour rates at main dealers is warranty work. Usually the manufacturer pays a % of the main dealer labour rate for undertaking warranty work - so the higher the base rate is to start with, the more profit the main dealer makes on warranty work. Whether that's true for Porsche or not I don't know, but I belive it's correct for BMW amongst others.ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Mine is due in May. I'm currently on 20k miles. Big E are you renewing the warranty on yours too? The mark up on labour rates is highly profitable for the motor industry generally. I employ 4 criminal duty solicitors and the current legal aid payment rates are broadly 1/3 of the hourly rate the OPCs charge for mechanical work. The quickest route to qualification as a duty solicitor takes a minimum of 7 years, a degree, a post graduate diploma and significant work experience. They are contractually obliged to deal with murderers, rapists, paedophiles, violent thugs, you name it both alleged and actual. I could change spark plugs, oil and filter on a car at 14 before I had any qualifications! Remind me, how much does it cost to set up an OPC, Preston will need one soon for all those Macans... [
The truth will out! Save legal aid!
kitchens
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ORIGINAL: Big E Well, I just booked in the Spyder for it's major (4 year) service at the start of April. I guess mine is one of the older and more travelled (22k) than most on here! Quoted £1,100.00 incl VAT by (a very pleasant to deal with) Tonbridge OPC before the PCGB discount which I actually thought was very reasonable after coming from BMW M service costs! Big E that is not to bad .i got a quote for the same from the Edinburgh OPC when i inquired about the cost for a major service on a car i was interested in [
Big E
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I only bought mine in Aug 2013 with a 2 year warranty. I agree the mark ups on labour rates are massive and you could end up with a £7p/h trainee working on your car but I try to look at it in a different context. I have a premium quality car that once every 2 years needs a service which keeps my car in good health and keeps my warranty valid, I knew when I bought it I'd be paying a premium price for this. I'd say that £1.1k is a premium price and not excessive. It's also the same price as the service we had on our X5 last month. Have you had a premium watch serviced recently? I could probably figure out how to service a Rolex movement after watching a few YouTube videos but I'd prefer to send it to someone to do it for me and keep my warranty in place. O/T, I do know an ex criminal lawyer who used to do mostly legal aid work, some of the stories about the grief (threats etc) they got off the people they were trying to defend was unbelievable!ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Mine is due in May. I'm currently on 20k miles. Big E are you renewing the warranty on yours too? The mark up on labour rates is highly profitable for the motor industry generally. I employ 4 criminal duty solicitors and the current legal aid payment rates are broadly 1/3 of the hourly rate the OPCs charge for mechanical work. The quickest route to qualification as a duty solicitor takes a minimum of 7 years, a degree, a post graduate diploma and significant work experience. They are contractually obliged to deal with murderers, rapists, paedophiles, violent thugs, you name it both alleged and actual. I could change spark plugs, oil and filter on a car at 14 before I had any qualifications! Remind me, how much does it cost to set up an OPC, Preston will need one soon for all those Macans... [
Well that's you tied in to the OPC network then! I need to make up my mind whether or not to renew the warranty...
Big E
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Well, strictly speaking I don't think so. There was some EU ruling that states that as long as official parts are used then the manufacturer has to honour the warranty. I'm not sure if this has been tested with Porsche but when I had an older M3 I always had it serviced at an indy M specialist which is owned by a friend of mine but still got warranty work done by a BMW dealer. They knew this and never queried it. I think that used Porsche prices are probably more variable based on OPC servicing and warranty history due to the well publicised engine issues so will get the Spyder serviced by the local OPC but if I plan on keeping it once the warranty runs out I will probably go warranty free and service at very good Porsche indy I know locally.
I recall that that is true for manufacturer warranties - which with Porsche is two years. However the warranty received from a dealer is a third-party insurance backed warranty and isn't, I believe, subject to the same rules. Certainly a non-Porsche service will mean that the warranty cannot be extended unless a service is also carried out. In any event I would think that the burden would be on the warranty provider to show that the failure to use a main dealer was a cause of the failure which they are declining to pay out for - could be a fair amount of hassle though!
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