Not sure exactly what is on there. May need the Professori's help with this one. I know it has: Navigation/PCM Leather on the dash/doors/column PSE Black wheels Sports seats that are heated (did people get a refund on the buckets?) Sport (short) Shifter Carrara White instrument dials Cruise control Floor mats Fully automatic climate control Sound Package Plus including CD storage Sport Chrono Package Plus Wheel centres Porsche crest embossed on head restraints Sound Package Plus including CD storage Telephone module for PCM Universal audio interface
Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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Did anyone see the fifth gear Cayman 981 PDK v Manual test? [
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No - what won?
PDK won the drag race but manual won the race, it was Jason Plato driving the manual and rally driver Marcus Gronholm in the PDK
I'll dig out the original Porsche PDF advert that has everything on there but I think you've got it all there as I put everything in my ad. You'll see that it left the factory on turbo II wheels but I got those swapped by the dealer as it was a deal breaker (excuse the pun!) for me.
Well, I decided to go 911, but which one have I chosen. The ones that grab my attention are the turbo (no surprise there) and the Carrera GTS (no surprise there either!)
I have driven a GTS and a C4S but never a turbo. I expect the turbo to drive like the C4S only faster Pro's and cons: The GTS is newer, has the new mechanical and electronic tech, plus PDK etc. If I go turbo i'd go for a manual as I don't fancy Tiptronic. I would go PDK in the GTS. The GTS is also £15K more but is way down on torque - 420Nm vs 680Nm. I know some people prefer the front end of a 911 to be lighter, but for me as a novice, if AWD takes away the uncertainty, in a different way it'll add to the fun by giving me the confidence to go faster. To me, compared to the turbo, the GTS looks a bit naked. No fixed wing. Also, the turbo looks more purposeful with the big nostrils either side and the best looking 997 front apron for my eyes (OK the GTS with the Sport Design front apron does address the slightly humdrum standard Carrera design), plus the turbo rear wing. The Aerokit Cup available for the Carrera i'm not so keen on. Looks at bit too GT3-esque for a Carrera, but what do I know. I think the GTS PDK will be as fast as the turbo manual in some circumstances if the revs are kept in the sweet sport of the engine. But revving the nuts off an engine to get close to its peak performance can get tiring when you just want to go fast effortlessly, not against the stopwatch and trying to be in the right gear all the time. That's where 620Nm at 1,950rpm to 5,000rpm (680Nm overboost from 2,100rpm to 4,000rpm) sounds attractive vs 420Nm AT 4200rpm. Maybe you have to be a bit like this guy to appreciate the car i've chosen. Well, perhaps not, as i'm nothing like him! But I think it's the only Porsche he has ever liked! http://www.popscreen.com/v/6poCx/Clarkson-thriller-911-Turbo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blDh04HvtZs A couple of weeks ago I put a deposit on an 11,000 mile, 2006 Guard's red example up in Scotland. Hopefully all will be well with it when I go and see it in a week or so. Can't wait!!! Yes, yes, I know I am posting this in the wrong place and I won't find much love for a turbo over here, but if I do get it, I will buzz off and post it in the right place and try to only talk about Spyders and Rs over here[]
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Congratulations flat6 on living your "car dream" and look forward to receiving your first impressions and no need to post to much about the awesome power difference which really goes without saying [ORIGINAL: flat6 Well, I decided to go 911, but which one have I chosen. The ones that grab my attention are the turbo (no surprise there) and the Carrera GTS (no surprise there either!)I have driven a GTS and a C4S but never a turbo. I expect the turbo to drive like the C4S only faster Pro's and cons: The GTS is newer, has the new mechanical and electronic tech, plus PDK etc. If I go turbo i'd go for a manual as I don't fancy Tiptronic. I would go PDK in the GTS. The GTS is also £15K more but is way down on torque - 420Nm vs 680Nm. I know some people prefer the front end of a 911 to be lighter, but for me as a novice, if AWD takes away the uncertainty, in a different way it'll add to the fun by giving me the confidence to go faster. To me, compared to the turbo, the GTS looks a bit naked. No fixed wing. Also, the turbo looks more purposeful with the big nostrils either side and the best looking 997 front apron for my eyes (OK the GTS with the Sport Design front apron does address the slightly humdrum standard Carrera design), plus the turbo rear wing. The Aerokit Cup available for the Carrera i'm not so keen on. Looks at bit too GT3-esque for a Carrera, but what do I know. I think the GTS PDK will be as fast as the turbo manual in some circumstances if the revs are kept in the sweet sport of the engine. But revving the nuts off an engine to get close to its peak performance can get tiring when you just want to go fast effortlessly, not against the stopwatch and trying to be in the right gear all the time. That's where 620Nm at 1,950rpm to 5,000rpm (680Nm overboost from 2,100rpm to 4,000rpm) sounds attractive vs 420Nm AT 4200rpm. Maybe you have to be a bit like this guy to appreciate the car i've chosen. Well, perhaps not, as i'm nothing like him! But I think it's the only Porsche he has ever liked! http://www.popscreen.com/v/6poCx/Clarkson-thriller-911-Turbo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blDh04HvtZs A couple of weeks ago I put a deposit on an 11,000 mile, 2006 Guard's red example up in Scotland. Hopefully all will be well with it when I go and see it in a week or so. Can't wait!!! Yes, yes, I know I am posting this in the wrong place and I won't find much love for a turbo over here, but if I do get it, I will buzz off and post it in the right place and try to only talk about Spyders and Rs over here[
][] As long as a founder Spyderman you keep posting here all is forgiven for leaving Porsche best kept secret for a model that was nothing short of sensational when it first hit the streets way back in the 1975 probably just about when you hit the planet too [] 
Every one I know who has had a turbo says they are dull and lifeless. I also looked at the mark 1 997 but it's old now and very dated for 45k car inside. The GTS I drove was no faster than my R, the turbo would muller it. The GTS is only faster above 90mph than a Spyder. So hence me knocking both those models on the head and buying the R after selling the gt3 and bmw v8. How about a GTS cab at lease you can use he roof. Or find the extra and say sod the dullness and buy a gen 2 PDK turbo for full on performance. Only way I would buy a GTS would be with buckets, manual, aero kit and a set of 3 way shocks. And that blows the cost out of the water and the resale. Loving that people in the USA are putting the GTS engine in a cayman, perfect car at that point. So when you look at all that why not look at the base model 991 PDK it's much faster then you think for the base model and you get all the newness. You also get the better PDK.
As ever - don't hold back MrD [] I think you may be guilty of a severe case of "budget creep" too [][] I've not heard anyone say that 997 turbos are dull and lifeless but I do get that its crushing technical competence may render it less exciting than, say, the Spyder. I have driven my Spyder alongside (well, in front of mostly) my pal's 997 turbo in various locations - Evo Triangle, Oulton Park, Anglesey circuit, deserted European highways and byways etc. Up to socially acceptable motorway speeds there is surprisingly little in it performance wise. We have done lap after lap around Oulton - there are parts of the circuit where the turbo is quicker, parts where the Spyder is. On balance, I would say that the Spyder edges it for a lap time there but that you wouldn't be able to overtake the turbo. At German motorway speeds, the turbo will disappear into the distance though. flat6, it looks like you have found an exceptional example of the car you want to try - I am sure it will give you lots of pleasure. What's the worst that can happen - if you don't like it after a year you can still sell it with 12 months Porsche warranty and won't lose a lot. How many people can say that they have had a guards red 911 turbo on their car CV? R18 will be at Jasmine Porschalink a week on Wednesday - will be a pleasant run out for the new beast!
] I think you may be guilty of a severe case of "budget creep" too [][] I've not heard anyone say that 997 turbos are dull and lifeless but I do get that its crushing technical competence may render it less exciting than, say, the Spyder. I have driven my Spyder alongside (well, in front of mostly) my pal's 997 turbo in various locations - Evo Triangle, Oulton Park, Anglesey circuit, deserted European highways and byways etc. Up to socially acceptable motorway speeds there is surprisingly little in it performance wise. We have done lap after lap around Oulton - there are parts of the circuit where the turbo is quicker, parts where the Spyder is. On balance, I would say that the Spyder edges it for a lap time there but that you wouldn't be able to overtake the turbo. At German motorway speeds, the turbo will disappear into the distance though. flat6, it looks like you have found an exceptional example of the car you want to try - I am sure it will give you lots of pleasure. What's the worst that can happen - if you don't like it after a year you can still sell it with 12 months Porsche warranty and won't lose a lot. How many people can say that they have had a guards red 911 turbo on their car CV? R18 will be at Jasmine Porschalink a week on Wednesday - will be a pleasant run out for the new beast!
I just think the mk1 turbo is ready to take a bath price wise and now the 991 is out forcing down 997.2 prices. Could easy cost you 10k in a year done wrong. After owning 4 turbo cars PDK comes into it's own on a turbo keeping the car on boost. My TTRS was not great in manual because of the boost drop, but the dsg was not out when I bought that car. Dsg vs manual was over 1 second to a ton in a boosted car which is Hugh ESP when I was doing Vmax events in mine. My car running 8.5 to a ton vs 7.2 in a dsg !!! But have been very tempted to revisit the TTRS in dsg form and look forward to the mk3 TTRS as a daily runner. The PCM and bits and bobs on the mk1 turbo along with the wheels really date the car but then it is 9 years old now ! I know a few who have put turbo 2 wheels on and it lifts the car imo. just could not sink 45k into one. Or 55k for a low miles later one with newer PCM etc. But a manual turbo , ! That has to be be the worse case car to have a manual box. Ofcourse these are as normal just my personal views on cars and what is right for 1 is not right for another. I could not buy a mk1 turbo over a TTRS dsg for 35k 2011 model. Safe money also the TTRS sold mine 2 years ago they are the same price today !!! And that 5 pot sound is awesome, fastest A to B car ever made imo. My mate who now has had 2 991 inc the new 50th still states his TTRS was faster A to B and his was standard. Mine was 430lbs /ft torque in a car weighing 1450kg
and what is right for 1 is not right for another. I could not buy a mk1 turbo over a TTRS dsg for 35k 2011 model. Safe money also the TTRS sold mine 2 years ago they are the same price today !!! And that 5 pot sound is awesome, fastest A to B car ever made imo. My mate who now has had 2 991 inc the new 50th still states his TTRS was faster A to B and his was standard. Mine was 430lbs /ft torque in a car weighing 1450kg
Another one that did not last long for sale was it 2 days? even without Air Con Awsome looking in speed yellow .ORIGINAL: flat6Now another R for sale. A back-to-basics car with very few options but that isn't always such a bad thing.ORIGINAL: flat6Now just one[ORIGINAL: daro911You can make that only TWO today[ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan Well there are only 3 Cayman R's at the OPC's and they're all PDK [Mileage: 18,184 m Registration Year: 03/11 19 inch Boxster Spyder Wheel 6 speed manual transmission CD-Radio Porsche CDR-30 Cup holder Floor mats Universal audio interface £39,000
philnotts99
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Its quite funny how many cars we all have in common. I have owned a 997 Turbo Gen.1, 997 GTS 4 and a TTRS plus. Anyway, the Turbo. I loved it but got bored of it very quickly. Its super quick. Its that quick you just get bored of nailing anything on the road. Switch on the sport button, which provides an over-boost to the two turbos and it just gets stupid. The biggest issue for me was the sound. It sounded like a tractor. I could of fitted a aftermarket exhaust but even these didnt sound great. The GTS was like a watered down version of the GT3. Fast, handled well, sounded good with the sports exhaust and was comfy. They are also holding there value quite well now. Phil
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