Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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I hear you. I guess for me, buying a car private would be similar to buying a car from auction [the latter I used to do, not premium sports cars] in that they both have an element of risk with no comeback, which needs to be contingent in the price paid to cover any unforseen issues. I'd take a look around the car and adjust the price based on what I saw, but not just to the tune of the value of what I could see, but based on what I can see giving me an impression how the car has been looked after and what else might be. So i'd adjust what i'd be prepared to pay, in increments of at least £1000 pounds. After all, its about building in contingency when buying a car that way, vs buying a car retail where you take the issue back to the dealer and it is resolved at their cost. After buying the car you'd sometimes have some things to take care of even when sticking to cars that have the proper history and from a safer source that a private entry into the auction. But buying a straight looking / sounding / history car generally yielded a saving with very few issues. But then I went from buying cars at auction at trade price to buying cars at main agent dealers and nothing in between. So I guess my mindset is a bit different and I would never dream of paying a dealer retail price for a private purchase. But then that's just how I am and i'm probably in the minority as lot of people on here said I sold my Spyder too cheaply[:-] But you have changed the goal posts by factoring in a 111 point check and 2 year warranty supplied at the seller's cost. Changes the dynamic a lot[ORIGINAL: tyinskyYou could also take the view that for the sake of worrying about couple of thousand pounds and the odd mark here and there on a used car you could instead be enjoying owning and driving one. Had I been looking and really loved the red, wanted buckets etc, that car would of been at home with me within the week. Limited supply, you can't buy a new one, the one in question has very low mileage. Probably would gone to have a look at it with a view to leaving a deposit on the spot if I could get the owner to put it through the 111 check add add the 2-year OPC warranty within the price. No idea if the seller would agree to it but that's what I would have done. If you want one, then what is the point in fucking about? []
] Regarding the warranty, i've had a preference for and at other times, against. On the one hand, the DFI engines are pretty much bullet proof so why blow money on a warranty. But on the other hand, the cost of the minor things that go wrong with the rest of the car can be expensive and the warranty can soon pay for itself even on these smaller things. I've experienced a bit of both scenarios with my Porsches so i'm not about to start a debate for or against warranty, that one is really down to personal experience I think[] I think a bit of warranty certainly adds piece of mind to a private sale, but that car only having a couple of months warranty I wouldn't count that at all. At the end of the day, the car has to be seen in the metal to be evaluated. The OPC car that won't sell looks great in the pictures but then some close-ups posted on here and the judgement of those who have seen it tells a different story as they say it looks well used despite its low miles. Someone hasn't taken it with a small discount for the small cost to get the repair needed on the roll hoops done themselves. People aren't buying it. It'll sell when the OPC has had enough of it and is prepared to let it go for a reasonable offer for its condition. We'll have to wait and see if this red car sells with it's £39,500 sticker price if its general condition is similar to the OPC car. If its just the curbed wheel and the rest of the car looks mint then yes it will go fairly quickly as its clear that there are buyers that are not put off by this and that and warranty. Right, who's gonna volunteer to go for a viewing and fill us in on here []kenneth ritchie
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Agree with Mr D here, private sales are hard work, My Spyder is now with Tom at 911 V, a pleasure to do business with him compared to private buyers. In the last couple of weeks I had several people complaining there was no air con???? one person wanted me to take the car to Carlisle so he could view it and someone else asking if I could arrange finance for him. In the end Tom made it simple for me as I don't have the time to deal with that sort of ..... So I am now Spyderless which is sad as they are fantastic cars and I enjoyed every minute with mine and my last three 911's. However, I am now a Spiderman of a slightly different breed, I have achieved my ambition of the last 30 years by finally scratching the Ferrari itch and becoming the owner yesterday of an immaculate condition Ferrari F430 Spider (F1), Rosso Red and Cream interior. Spent all day today getting it up to my usual standard. For the time being I am very pleased. Kenny Spyder, or should it now be Kenny SPIDER
MillerIanF
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Congratulations on the Spider purchase it would be great if you could stay on here and keep us up to date with how you get on. I think most of us have looked but chickened out because of the width and potential costs.
Yes great news to see you have a Ferrari, the Bain of my life the f430 lol Looking forward to reports and engine noise vids One thing that struck me was the offset driving position in them once I got serious about buying one and sitting in them. Very exciting car though and 1/2 price
One thing that struck me was the offset driving position in them once I got serious about buying one and sitting in them. Very exciting car though and 1/2 price DarrellWilson
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PCCB might be another one, a significant cost item that can be argued adds to resale values (or not to stop a trail of counter arguements [ORIGINAL: flat6 I think the last thing I should add to the Spyderman list is seats we each have. The wheels can be seen from the pics[
]). Don't think there's many out there but be interesting to have a count. Realise they're sometimes visible from photos with the yellow calipers but not always depending on angle of photo.I went to Spa with some friends last year, it was fantastic - truly a dream imagined. When you're there it's a great idea to visit the Nordschleife. We did the same last year and took the cross-country route which massively shows up the difference between how much the Germans and Belgians invest in their roads! I've visited the ring several times before and would recommend experiencing it yourself. It's nowhere near as bad as is made out on most Forums, especially if you choose one of the quieter times. It's obviously busy over the summer and predictably even more so on the weekend!ORIGINAL: MrDemonit wil be the Quay Hotel
Cool, will add you to the list[ORIGINAL: Matt_HoleI have a manual Spyder and was just really adding to the post earlier about owners who have manual or PDK. I noticed my car wasn't on the list so it might be useful to know that there is another manual car dotting around. I consider myself someone who really enjoys driving, and as a result I couldn't really consider the PDK, although I do think it is a fantastic thing. My everyday car has an auto (with paddles) and I really wanted to differentiate to the fun cars that i drive on the weekends, or purely for fun.ORIGINAL: flat6 Welcome Matt[
]Will do. Will add the wheels at the same time. As you you say, the odd pic doesn't show them.ORIGINAL: DarrellWilsonPCCB might be another one, a significant cost item that can be argued adds to resale values (or not to stop a trail of counter arguements [ORIGINAL: flat6 I think the last thing I should add to the Spyderman list is seats we each have. The wheels can be seen from the pics[
The car may have already sold for all we know. Just needs two people who really want one in red. I am probably still partly in buyer mode. I knew very clearly what I wanted. Low mileage warranted white car, black extended leather and heated sports seats, Spyder wheels, aircon, navigation, chrono, PSE, was open to PDK but ideally wanted manual (wanted Xenons but failed on those - how will I survive? [8|] ). I'd just missed out on one, understood the reality may mean a long wait for the right car, and then your car appeared and all I had to do was make sure you sold it to me. Pretty sure another matching my wish list has not surfaced since? Love the car. [ORIGINAL: flat6I hear you. I guess for me, buying a car private would be similar to buying a car from auction [the latter I used to do, not premium sports cars] in that they both have an element of risk with no comeback, which needs to be contingent in the price paid to cover any unforseen issues. I'd take a look around the car and adjust the price based on what I saw, but not just to the tune of the value of what I could see, but based on what I can see giving me an impression how the car has been looked after and what else might be. So i'd adjust what i'd be prepared to pay, in increments of at least £1000 pounds. After all, its about building in contingency when buying a car that way, vs buying a car retail where you take the issue back to the dealer and it is resolved at their cost. After buying the car you'd sometimes have some things to take care of even when sticking to cars that have the proper history and from a safer source that a private entry into the auction. But buying a straight looking / sounding / history car generally yielded a saving with very few issues. But then I went from buying cars at auction at trade price to buying cars at main agent dealers and nothing in between. So I guess my mindset is a bit different and I would never dream of paying a dealer retail price for a private purchase. But then that's just how I am and i'm probably in the minority as lot of people on here said I sold my Spyder too cheaply[:-] But you have changed the goal posts by factoring in a 111 point check and 2 year warranty supplied at the seller's cost. Changes the dynamic a lot[ORIGINAL: tyinskyYou could also take the view that for the sake of worrying about couple of thousand pounds and the odd mark here and there on a used car you could instead be enjoying owning and driving one. Had I been looking and really loved the red, wanted buckets etc, that car would of been at home with me within the week. Limited supply, you can't buy a new one, the one in question has very low mileage. Probably would gone to have a look at it with a view to leaving a deposit on the spot if I could get the owner to put it through the 111 check add add the 2-year OPC warranty within the price. No idea if the seller would agree to it but that's what I would have done. If you want one, then what is the point in fucking about? [
] The pricing is a bit all over the place too. The car that was at Top555 for £42k was almost certainly the same car that was at the Wiltshite OPC/Dick Loving a couple/few months back priced at £36k. They are clearly a difficult car to price and probably a bit random in the way they sell with limited availability and limited buyers (which seem to be slightly less limited than the supply). Seems that the prices have lifted a bit recently but I'm not convinced it will last through the summer.As you say the pricing is still a bit all over the place but lifting a little. Will be interesting to see where the values have settled in the next 12 months. Oddly the under supply coming out of winter tends to lift the prices and then it levels off through summer. Then by Jan/Feb/Mar it gets going again[&:]
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