Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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Went to PC Cambridge yesterday - Lets hope its a great weekend for Porsche at Le Mans. Our Porsche Centre Cambridge will be open today 10am - 9pm and Sunday 9am - 4pm For a specially themed Le Mans weekend. For members who have pre booked the centre will be offering refreshments guided tours of the Centre and some pro drives. Forgot to mention the race, no doubt live on a large screen. Who knows the refreshments could turn to Champagne on Sunday afternoon. I took a look at the Spyder they have for sale. Compared to the rest of the market this look excellent value at just under £40K and has all the right bit (for me) Of the current offerings I think this will be first to go! --------------------------------- Porsche Boxster Spyder, £ 39,900 With 2 Years of Porsche Approved Warranty Save vehicle Car data Displacement: 3,400 cc Power Output: 310 HP Drivetrain: 2-WD Transmission: Manual Fuel: Petrol Colour: Basalt Black Metallic Colour (interior): Black leatherette interior with sports seats leather Location of the car: Porsche Centre Cambridge Vehicle Ident Number: WP0ZZZ98ZBS740146 Mileage: 6,799 m Registration Year: 04/10 Consumption - urban: 14.2 l/100km (19.9 mpg) Consumption - extra urban: 7.1 l/100km (39.8 mpg) Consumption combined: 9.7 l/100 km (29.1 mpg) CO2-Emissions combined: 221 g Price: £ 39,900 Equipment 19-inch Boxster Spyder Wheel 6-speed manual transmission Bi-Xenon lighting system with dynamic cornering lights Floor mats Fully automatic climate control Heated seats ParkAssist (rear) Porsche Communication Management (PCM) including navigation module Roll-over bar in exterior colour Sound Package Plus including CD storage Sport Chrono Package Plus Sport shifter Sports exhaust system Sports seats Telephone module for PCM Universal audio interface Wheel centre set
Anyone looking to sell now Kennie's car has been bought they are looking for fresh Spyders[
][] JUST SOLD SIMILAR REQUIRED Boxster Spyder PDK (2011) For sale from 911 Virgin.com, in Bucks , United Kingdom £41,995 Description JUST SOLD SIMILAR REQUIRED Boxster Spyder PDK 3.4 DFI Engine with Paddle shift gear selection, Sports Chrono + and Launch Control. First registered 10/01/2011. Finished in Black with Black full leather. Porsche Main Agent Service history from new. Serviced at 6780 miles by Porsche Centre Edinburgh. Presented in Immaculate Condition throughout. A Porsche Regional Event Concours winning car with unmarked wheels, interior and bodywork. Benefitting from the Balance of an extended Porsche Warranty through until January 2016. (Fully transferable as the car is being sold on behalf of its owner). MOT through until January 2015, with road fund license through until November 2014. Unmarked Carrera Sport alloys painted black, PDK 7 speed double clutch transmission with paddle gear change, Sports Chrono Package + and launch Control, Carbon backed light weight folding bucket seats, full leather package extending to dashboard and doorcards, PCM 3.0 touch screen Satellite Navigation with Bluetooth and USB / Ipod connectivity, PSE (Porsche Switchable Sports Exhaust), Adaptive Dynamic Xenon headlights, red dials, guards red seat belts, body coloured centre tunnel, PSM (Porsche Stability Management), driver/passenger/side airbags, ABS, power steering, remote central locking, Thatcham Category 1 alarm/immobiliser and subscription based VTS Tracker security. 
Similar first impressions to my own. The biggest difference for me is the lack of communication about the grip you have at the front wheels and the Honda like, light power-steering feel is a major factor in that. They Spyder let's you know how much the tyres are biting and so you naturally drive faster, being at one with the car - the car feels 'underneath' you and you feel connected to all 4 corners. For me the 2.7 was very forgettable. That wasn't helped by the chassis being so good that even it didn't want to wake up at those performance levels. But take a few more, many more drives of PDK before writing it off... Also remember how great the tuning of the Spyder and R chassis is. As you say, one of Porsche's finest hours. But if a 981, or even 987 drove like that as standard, not many people would buy one for the level of use a standard Boxster or Cayman typically gets. The Spyder's steering is so sharp that as the cliche on here says, if you sneeze you will change lanes. The suspension is so communicative that the cliche on here is that if you ran over a coin it could tell you whether it's heads or tails (I think RobK came up with that good one [
] ). That is great for spirited driving but the majority of boxster and cayman buyers would turn away for something more relaxing for daily use. It's a bit like comparing a Carrera with a GT3 is what I realised. Same body/chassis but very different cars set up for different purposes. I think the best comparison would be with the 981 Sport Chassis fitted, but I like you have not had access to that and have chosen the Spyder every time, though it's not quite comparing apples with apples. But, take a few more 981 tests drives. It's amazing how they have made a car so pliant, handle so well. Push and push and the car is composed and the grip is there, it's just not telling you about it in advance and giving you the instant confidence that the Spyder does (my new ride feels a bit like that after coming from the Spyder, but no where near as ambigous as the 981 as the steering is more weighty and feedy-backy). The Spyder is without doubt more enjoyable to drive, but I reckon the 981 (let's face it, Porsche will have spent most of the development ££ millions on driving ability) is just as capable, if not more capable. But I appreciate that doesn't translate into a particular individual's enjoyment and desire. The first person to do a 981 Sport Chassis on here will be much appreciated!! EDITED
the 981 Boxster is the best all round sports car today to buy, has been for ages. with the roof now fast/double skinned/quite and now does not even have a manual button to clip in (full auto), is there any point owning a 981 Cayman now ? I am a coupe man but with the 981 would really have to think hard if buying new that the Boxster is the better buy/car. shame they give the Cayman a bit more torque and bhp to keep it just that bit ahead to warrant the extra price.
Thanks John. I'm dreading losing control in a 911. Though I think they've worked their magic over the years to defy physics and make it more prone to understeer. I think that's why as the power levels go up through the models, the rear tyres get wider whilst the front barely do, if at all. Maybe there's more reason I should track this one to learn, than with the mid-engined cars, but dont enjoy track driving as much as B road.ORIGINAL: jdpef356Glad to see you are enjoying the new car flat6. Great summary of changeover to date. I recall my first 911 a 3.2 80's Targa. I pushed it on the same bends on a stretch of 'B' road ever increasing the speed until one day I over cooked it and the back came round. Rather a different drive than your Turbo but none the less not the thing you want to happen - at least it told me where the limit was! Today, I can get just as much fun running the 'Old Gal' my 356 on a a twisty B road in the dusk. Pick a B road with high hedges or banks and it will increase the feeling of speed. Great fun in any car
It's unusual that the Boxster is not a compromised afterthought by cutting the roof off a coupe & reapplying compensating stiffness but subsequently adding weight. Yet still, the coupe is seen as superior so they gave it a different name, reserve a few extra HP for it and also a higher price tag. I don't mind all that but the HP difference should be more significant to justify it. I think if they introduce the rumoured hotter, rawer Cayman, there won't be an equivalent Boxster (personally I don't think they'll name it GT4 after a racing class unless they're going to race it). Porsche's heritage is in racing, so I think you will never see their hottest cars in convertible form like other marques. Imagine a GT3 RS cabriolet, no. 911 Speedster, yes. You'll have to go to the aftermarket and get one of these abominations[]
Also, careful what you wish for. If they ever did level the pricing, it would be the Boxster's price that goes up, not the Cayman's that comes down.[][]
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][]Good post daro. I reckon than option would make more difference to the 981 than anything else offered under the GTS package, even more than the extra GTS bhp.ORIGINAL: daro911 This is all I could find to answer your Sport Chassis question and being a very early example and short test probably worth taking with a pinch of salt but for today this is the only answer [:-]
I used to think that. Whilst purely subjective, I think the new Cayman looks the business and better than its convertible sibling. Once inside it is much less claustrophobic / roomier feeling because of the hatch back. It is also a lot stiffer than a Spyder although so is a 981 Boxster. I bought mine to put miles on and it's a better car for me in that respect. The ride quality is astonishing given the available performance. Going round Anglesey, MrD's comment to me was "it's all a bit too easy isn't it?" which was bang on the money, and suits me fine most of the time.
Nope did the pec in PDK cars last time, I hated it, only buttons back then and I changed the wrong way every time, Awefull car with the buttons, Awefull in normal mode and Awefull in sports plus mode. I wish it had more modes like the top end m3's do ie 7 modes each one adding 1k revs to the shift point. Hope the gt4 is the 3.8 400bhp+ NA lump and PDK-s from the gt3. They need a new sports car the 911 only wins LE mans because they keep going lol the vantage and 458 are just faster cars now. If the gt4 is not 100% how I want it you may well see me selling my Porsches and buying a mp12c.ORIGINAL: daro911I am doing that Tuesday July 8th[
Yeah the Cayman cabin is much better in terms of being much less claustrophobic. Only daro can counter that as he never runs with roof up[] At our club night this week it was the 'Who's car would you like to go home in' competition. We had pretty much every flavour of old and new in the car park. The winner was a 991 50th anniversary and 2nd was a 981 Cayman S. 3rd was a 930 turbo.
] At our club night this week it was the 'Who's car would you like to go home in' competition. We had pretty much every flavour of old and new in the car park. The winner was a 991 50th anniversary and 2nd was a 981 Cayman S. 3rd was a 930 turbo.
[/quote] Should you be unfortunate enough to have to suffer another PDK session and double bad luck no flappy paddles again[ORIGINAL: MrDemon I am doing that Tuesday July 8th[
]I believe the buttons mimick the stick ie push forward to change up and pull back to change down. Having paddles I am taking a bit of a guess on that's how they work
Which is the wrong way round :-( As you brake you want to push forward, as you gain speed you want to pull back. Like a race car If I get PDK it will just be used in sports plus and I will have to wait for it to kick down after the corner !!! The thing I noticed about robs car, was a: the ease of just driving it round the track, ie nothing to do, seemed dull to me. , no over steer, no gear change, just steer point and brake. b: it changes down gear after the corner. In a manual you want to be in the right gear before the bend, PDK of course does not know there is a bend coming, so has to make up it's mind later. Bit shit really Then people say use manual mode , in which case just buy the manual ! And save the 30kg's When I have loan cars, I let the car change up, but I chance down , the biggest issue for me is the car not changing down in time, but then no way it will ever do that.
If I get PDK it will just be used in sports plus and I will have to wait for it to kick down after the corner !!! The thing I noticed about robs car, was a: the ease of just driving it round the track, ie nothing to do, seemed dull to me. , no over steer, no gear change, just steer point and brake. b: it changes down gear after the corner. In a manual you want to be in the right gear before the bend, PDK of course does not know there is a bend coming, so has to make up it's mind later. Bit shit really Then people say use manual mode , in which case just buy the manual ! And save the 30kg's When I have loan cars, I let the car change up, but I chance down , the biggest issue for me is the car not changing down in time, but then no way it will ever do that.
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