2015 or GTS !?![ORIGINAL: philnotts99!?!Sounds like you are definitely a potential candidate for the 981 Spyder come 2015 November launch[] I was mightily impressed by the 981 GTS Sport Chassis I had the pleasure of at PEC this summer and according to the instructor their is an improvement on real roads over the Spyder/R set up which I assume is down to the brand new chassis
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I Don't see anywhere any one saying they can feel 2KG so why has this stupid argument come up ?! a full fat Spyder with PDK, AC, sports seats,PCM, normal wheels over Darrel's Spyder is about 70kg though and you can tell that quite easy. the PCCB don't help that much as they are much larger so the weights not that much saving over steels. I said I lol at Billy post which I did, I don't want to go into too much detail why as I find it not in good taste when a forum member has a car for sale, and that then has gone past banter. what I will say is he used the word "lightweight" infont of his seats and wheels in his advert which is ironic for a standard part which the car came with esp as this person does not like the word used !! But knowhere is any one stating they can feel 2kg !!!!!ORIGINAL: flat6 Lol[
A lot of spyder owners are ex elise/ caterham owners though, hence why we want to not loose the feel of what a light cars brings to the party. V6 exige 1180kgs so Lotus have not got things light these days, the Evora is 100kg more than a Cayman R which is SHocking for a lotus. my target weight for my car next spring 1200kg's
enough said A modern car like the F type roadster S is 1660kgs but I do like your point "most will come in at 1300kg " more like a lot will come in at 1350kgs 150kg over my Spring 2015 target weight car and a + 300bhp/ton target I like tweeking and I loved Lotus, Lotus don't make cars I love any more, the Spyders a great 3rd car for fun and the odd track day with less hassle. And it's quite easy to take it from a 250bhp/ton car to a GT3 matching 300bhp/ton car. you would be surprised even 40%work done on the Spyder how much better it is than a stock one.[ORIGINAL: tyinsky So much bollocks talked in here. Surprised some have not started removing the passenger seat, unscrewing plastic trim and starving themselves before a drive. Driving only in the day can the headlights be removed? Throw the roof away, do you really need 5 bolts on each wheel (unsprung weight reduction too - ohhhhh), take out the airbags, pull up the carpets and floor mats, bin the engine cover and all the other stuff in there. [8|] As Flat 6 says, I suspect the suspension is the main difference in terms of feel. My AC is on a lot more than 3 times a year - been using it constantly through the summer, and will be using it in the winter to clear the windscreen. Hillman Imp was my first car!!
] Indeed These debates, talking at cross purposes etc, if nothing else shows that the car certainly divides opinion. If it does become a classic, at this rate it'll probably be on looks alone with it's other facets continuing to cause dispute [] I am now bored and no doubt helped to bore everyone too. Time to go for a very fast drive[] How's the car? Your warranty must be up in a few months. Have you decided whether to renew?I agree, I think it's poor form (but then I also think it's poor form to copy and paste parts of other peoples' adverts). Hey ho. You make a fair point - but the full fat Spyder is still circa 80kg lighter than the equivalent spec'd Boxster S. So the "lightweight" arguments are still relevant. It's all relative, if you really want lightweight then you go for an Elise. If you want semi-lightweight, but you want some toys, the Spyder remains the better car than the standard S and no doubt, in part, that is due to the weight loss and that's worth highlighting. And in my view those elements of the car also happen to be attractive irrespective of the weight issue (i.e. the buckets and spyder wheels). I actually can't think of any reason why you wouldn't have PCM, even if you "prefer" a stripped-out car. The benefits are obvious and the weight negligible. For PDK cars it makes even more sense as it adds further functionality to the Sports Chrono set up. Not wanting PDK I can completely understand - but wanting nothing that adds usability or comfort for the sake of a few KG is pretty comical. As others have said, where do you stop? Probably when the car looks like an Atom! Nowhere do I say that I don't like the word "lightweight" - where it becomes daft is when people suggest that, in day to day driving, they are able to notice the difference between Spyder specs and it is so important that they'll forego having a radio in a £55k+ car! The Spyder is the perfect car for having some toys to complement the performance. It's never going to be a true "lightweight" and the whole joy of the Boxster is its usability - in part that's down to the refinement over a Caterham and once you've crossed that bridge why not have, say, heated seats or PCM or air con rather than "saving" the car for short local runs because it's too basic to be used further afield? If I'd wanted proper lightweight I'd have stuck with my Caterham, but I wanted a great sports car that can be used regularly, for long trips, and which is more refined so my other half will want to join me, and the Spyder is perfect for that particularly with some toys added. If you want a truly lightweight track car you wouldn't start with a Spyder.
a full fat Spyder is about 36kg lighter than a normal Boxster if you add back every thing the only weight saved is the roof at 21kg and the doors 15kg. We have all agreed there are many buyers of any Spyder spec and the main items imo are the wheels and the Buckets which yours also has. I just liked the word "lightweight" on your advert The radio put me off buying mine, and will put many off also buying mine, but as we all know you cannot spec what you like, I would add weight and want some xenons esp on my R as I drive that at night, the SPyder less so. PDK needs all the modes so you get Sports plus that's for sure which then is 5k worth of kit. I am not a NAV person, I don't use it on my R as it just puts you on routes with every one else even if you force the route with way points. smart phones have made nav a non issue esp with a 3rd fun car with no radio at all as my phone fits in the hole Radio delete is going to make sod all to performance bar making it harder to sell without one, which will be my issue. >85% of buyers are going to want a radio imo. but not having one does make a talking point at events when people look round the car. As I said on another post, good luck with your sale .But comparing "like for like" the Spyder remains 80kgs lighter than the equivalent S. So if you want PDK and Sat Nav, you're still saving 80kgs in the Spyder.ORIGINAL: MrDemon I agree with just about all of that
Fair enough - I don't have a smart phone and on the European trips I turn off motorways, add the "scenic" option and stick loads of way-points in for the route or loop I want. Stress-free driving to concentrate on the road and you get a useful ETA.ORIGINAL: MrDemon I am not a NAV person, I don't use it on my R as it just puts you on routes with every one else even if you force the route with way points. smart phones have made nav a non issue esp with a 3rd fun car with no radio at all as my phone fits in the hole
Thanks, so far quite a bit of interest so we'll see what happens. Not particularly unhappy if I keep it!ORIGINAL: MrDemon As I said on another post, good luck with your sale
And don't forget the new rear alloy deck, no front fog lights, lighter alloys and red door pulls [ORIGINAL: MrDemon I agree with just about all of that
][] Car is lovely thank you. Still enjoying it. Considering buying a 993 as an addition. Warranty is up in December, Service is due in 500 miles according to the readout on the dash, and I know it will need new tyres soon too so will be an expensive monthORIGINAL: flat6[ORIGINAL: tyinsky So much bollocks talked in here. Surprised some have not started removing the passenger seat, unscrewing plastic trim and starving themselves before a drive. Driving only in the day can the headlights be removed? Throw the roof away, do you really need 5 bolts on each wheel (unsprung weight reduction too - ohhhhh), take out the airbags, pull up the carpets and floor mats, bin the engine cover and all the other stuff in there. [8|] As Flat 6 says, I suspect the suspension is the main difference in terms of feel. My AC is on a lot more than 3 times a year - been using it constantly through the summer, and will be using it in the winter to clear the windscreen. Hillman Imp was my first car!!
Not decided on the warranty. Will probably renew it although I can see the argument for not bothering as it is hard to find a gen 2 car with a major issue. Need to dig through the good advice given by people on here to keep the costs in check. If I order the tyres and have them sitting here ready at least they can put them on should them come up on the list. Expecting them to say pads or discs as it seems that is a favourite but no idea if the car needs them. Thinking of dropping it off at East London Porsche Centre - anyone have dealings with them? Turbo fitting the expectation still?] If I advertise it properly, I'll promise to either acknowledge the copy or jumble the words up. Apologies if I've upset you.
Hope that helps, Steve
Matt . Welcome to the Spyder web I will give you my opinion having owned one for18months and doing 7.5k miles 1 The speed limit is 70 by the way[
] you do get a wind noise around this speed but it is not too intrusive ..just crank up the radio a notch. 2 Bucket seat are not as comfy as Sports but most seem to like the buckets ,mines are buckets and on a long journey you come out a bit stiff can give you details of a good chiropractor [] 3 takes around 3.4 mins if one person so no real hassle to be honest 4 Mine is always garaged ,but are completely waterproof have been out in thunderstorms and nota drop in the cabin 5 All down to mileage and condition cheapest around £35k dearest £ 46 k it has a lot to do with who is selling dealer or private sale . Prices are on the up expect to pay around £41/45 for a nice spec 6 Unlike most rag tops Spyder prices are 2nd 3rd cars so not subject to daily drives which helps keep prices up . Best go and drive one and make up your own mind if it is suitable as a daily drive 2 owners on here used there's as daily drives but for different reasons moved on and sold them to people who frequent this site .Be warned they can become addictive once driven . BrianEveryone has their own view on most of these questions, these answers are just how I find the Spyder. I am sure the other guys here will also let you know what they think. 1. The roof is much noisier than a standard Boxster which I also have. I have only rarely had to put the roof up, I suspect most on here are the same, this is a car for driving open. 2. I like the Buckets and find them comfortable for any length of drive. However I am quite tall and I often wondered how someone short would like the low positioning. 3. The roof can go up in little over a minute, however i use it so little I tend to take my time as you could mark the bodywork hurrying. 4. I think almost everyone here keeps their car indoors. However I have heard many say they find the roof completely waterproof, even at speed. 5. Prices seem to be still creeping up, at a guess at least 5/6K above what they were this time last year. There is a demand for very low mileage cars which mostly still seem very good value for the rare and attractive car they are. I also think a 40k miles car could still be bought at good value as the focus is still on low milers. History tells us a car this rare may well attract interest, what ever the mileage, in the long term. 6. The interest in the Spyder is such that time of year seems to make little difference. I think there may well be less than 200 of these cars left in the UK. In my view one of the biggest points in favour of the Spyder is despite lowering and tightening the suspension it remains a pleasure to drive on the road with sublime road holding.
Hi Matt the Spydermen have answered a lot of your questions but what spec are you looking for ie mileage/gears/chairs/colour preference(s)/must have extras. Fortunately there are enough around with either pdk or stick shift for you to have a good long demo in to either help you decide or confuse you completely [8D] Good luck with the hunt and keep us posted on how it pans out
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