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ORIGINAL: Rocket Man could be true, on the other hand it could be the forcast launch of the 981 spyder that is holding back the prices of the 987/2 spyder. if the 981 spyder does not turn out to be something special then the 987/2 spyder prices could rocket then. if it is something that the 987/2 spyder owners want then perhaps prices will hold for a while, who knows untill the new launch
Has anyone read Peter Morgan's article on the 981 in February's GTPorsche. Here is a guy with a lifetimes experience driving and writing books on Porsche who is lamenting the passing of the 986/987 and has a less favourable view of the 981 and the market it is aimed at. The 987 Spyder was also one of the last cars made by Porsche before VAG, I have difficulty visualising VAG allowing the sort of traditional Porsche whim that brought something as impractical as the Spyder to fruition. I have no doubt the Spyder2 will be a great seller but a different car to our Spyder.
 
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Taken from an interview in Autocar today. Not looking like a bespoke body Gen 2 Spyder [&o] There will also be a new, more sporting Boxster model, although it will not be badged as a GT4 and will be developed by the mainstream Porsche operation, not the Motorsport department that is responsible for the Cayman GT4. Hatz wouldn't reveal anything more about its identity, but it seems likely the new car would be a successor in some form to the highly regarded Boxster Spyder of 2011 and might even resurrect the much-missed Club Sport name. Were this the case, expect the new car to be only marginally more powerful than the current 325bhp Boxster GTS and for the bulk of its additional dynamic prowess to be derived from a weight loss programme and a yet more sporting chassis set-up. http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/porsche-911-be-turbo-only-911-gt3-rs-and-cayman-gt4-confirmed
 
"will be developed by the mainstream Porsche operation, not the Motorsport department that is responsible for the Cayman GT4" has Spyder written all over it. I think that doesn't rule out a Spyder rear deck, which is the only bespoke body panel. Even if the go for 918 style lift-out targa panel, the rear of the car will still need to be bespoke to rise to roof height.
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ORIGINAL: MillerIanF
ORIGINAL: Rocket Man could be true, on the other hand it could be the forcast launch of the 981 spyder that is holding back the prices of the 987/2 spyder. if the 981 spyder does not turn out to be something special then the 987/2 spyder prices could rocket then. if it is something that the 987/2 spyder owners want then perhaps prices will hold for a while, who knows untill the new launch
Has anyone read Peter Morgan's article on the 981 in February's GTPorsche. Here is a guy with a lifetimes experience driving and writing books on Porsche who is lamenting the passing of the 986/987 and has a less favourable view of the 981 and the market it is aimed at. The 987 Spyder was also one of the last cars made by Porsche before VAG, I have difficulty visualising VAG allowing the sort of traditional Porsche whim that brought something as impractical as the Spyder to fruition. I have no doubt the Spyder2 will be a great seller but a different car to our Spyder.
I have to agree that the 981 is no doubt designed to appeal to a wider audience. E.g. my sister bought one and wouldn't have considered a 987. But I think the way in which the 981 moves away from the 987 more than 986 to 987 isn't really detrimental. It adds an interior that will appeal to a wider audience. It adds a more refined ride that will appeal to a wider audience. It may lack some feel but I guess the sport chassis option puts that back but even without the sports chassis it's just as capable in the true Porsche way. Just takes a couple of drives and then you adjust. I think it's easy for the media to say the new car loses something from the old car. But they should also recognise what the new car offers. What you lose you can still go after by buying the older car (and that's why older Porsche are very valuable as they have a lot of character). But there's character in the newer car which will be its attributes when it is superseded by an even newer car that lacks them. I.e. when the 981 is superceded, there'll be some who say the newer car lacks something the 981 has, but some will be also quick to see what the 981 doesn't have compared to its successor. It depends whether you live in an era or embrace progress whilst also appreciating the past and what is lost as we progress. A standard Boxster may not be so well remembered vs the 981 but the Spyder is a bit unique and special so I reckon the 987 version will maintain a cult status even if the 981 Spyder is better in every way or worse or indifferent. I don't think the 987 Spyder value will be impacted by the 981 Spyder whether it is good or bad because enough current 987 Spyder owners like their car enough for the £20k or whatever to upgrade, to be unjustifiable. Even if the 987 Spyder grows in value it doesn't necessarily mean something about the 981 version. Each car has its time to shine as the expensive classic. The 981 may get there later on, which is typically the case for the newer car; today's commodity is tomorrow's treasure. Or it may rise straight away on the back of Spyder awareness that the 987 version didn't have at launch. I guess we all grow through a range of cars and a point comes where (I guess with age?) the cars move too far away from what we like, and that will be the case with some media reviewers. My first Porsche was a 987 Cayman S and so I don't have a perception of the loss of air cooled engines, for example. My second car had the more refined DFI engine, which didn't give the same flat six vibrations and sound in the cabin like the older engine in the Cayman did. I don't therefore wince at all at the thought of the inevitable move to flat 4 cylinder turbo engines (I remember the Alfa 4C being marked down by Porsche fans for having a 1.75 litre 4 cylinder turbo engine, because it is4 cylinder and because it is turbo charged. Well, a small 4 cylinder turbo is coming to Porsche too [;)] ) I don't think VAG will have an impact on Porsche making low volume special cars. It's pocket change to VAG and works wonders for brand awareness - all car companies need halo products. VAG will more be pushing Porsche to increase unit sales of their standard products, which, for how good the Boxster and Cayman are, the sales figures are consistently relatively underachieving compared to the 911. The lower priced product should sell more units than the more expensive product in any business. I think VAG will want to address that.
 
ORIGINAL: billy1 Still not sure that I want to sell it but I'll see what interest there is.
Bill your car is no longer on PH did you sell or decide to keep her for a while longer [;)]
 
ORIGINAL: flat6
ORIGINAL: MillerIanF
ORIGINAL: Rocket Man could be true, on the other hand it could be the forcast launch of the 981 spyder that is holding back the prices of the 987/2 spyder. if the 981 spyder does not turn out to be something special then the 987/2 spyder prices could rocket then. if it is something that the 987/2 spyder owners want then perhaps prices will hold for a while, who knows untill the new launch
Has anyone read Peter Morgan's article on the 981 in February's GTPorsche. Here is a guy with a lifetimes experience driving and writing books on Porsche who is lamenting the passing of the 986/987 and has a less favourable view of the 981 and the market it is aimed at. The 987 Spyder was also one of the last cars made by Porsche before VAG, I have difficulty visualising VAG allowing the sort of traditional Porsche whim that brought something as impractical as the Spyder to fruition. I have no doubt the Spyder2 will be a great seller but a different car to our Spyder.
I have to agree that the 981 is no doubt designed to appeal to a wider audience. E.g. my sister bought one and wouldn't have considered a 987. But I think the way in which the 981 moves away from the 987 more than 986 to 987 isn't really detrimental. It adds an interior that will appeal to a wider audience. It adds a more refined ride that will appeal to a wider audience. It may lack some feel but I guess the sport chassis option puts that back but even without the sports chassis it's just as capable in the true Porsche way. Just takes a couple of drives and then you adjust. I think it's easy for the media to say the new car loses something from the old car. But they should also recognise what the new car offers. What you lose you can still go after by buying the older car (and that's why older Porsche are very valuable as they have a lot of character). But there's character in the newer car which will be its attributes when it is superseded by an even newer car that lacks them. I.e. when the 981 is superceded, there'll be some who say the newer car lacks something the 981 has, but some will be also quick to see what the 981 doesn't have compared to its successor. It depends whether you live in an era or embrace progress whilst also appreciating the past and what is lost as we progress. A standard Boxster may not be so well remembered vs the 981 but the Spyder is a bit unique and special so I reckon the 987 version will maintain a cult status even if the 981 Spyder is better in every way or worse or indifferent. I don't think the 987 Spyder value will be impacted by the 981 Spyder whether it is good or bad because enough current 987 Spyder owners like their car enough for the £20k or whatever to upgrade, to be unjustifiable. Even if the 987 Spyder grows in value it doesn't necessarily mean something about the 981 version. Each car has its time to shine as the expensive classic. The 981 may get there later on, which is typically the case for the newer car; today's commodity is tomorrow's treasure. Or it may rise straight away on the back of Spyder awareness that the 987 version didn't have at launch. I guess we all grow through a range of cars and a point comes where (I guess with age?) the cars move too far away from what we like, and that will be the case with some media reviewers. My first Porsche was a 987 Cayman S and so I don't have a perception of the loss of air cooled engines, for example. My second car had the more refined DFI engine, which didn't give the same flat six vibrations and sound in the cabin like the older engine in the Cayman did. I don't therefore wince at all at the thought of the inevitable move to flat 4 cylinder turbo engines (I remember the Alfa 4C being marked down by Porsche fans for having a 1.75 litre 4 cylinder turbo engine, because it is4 cylinder and because it is turbo charged. Well, a small 4 cylinder turbo is coming to Porsche too [;)] ) I don't think VAG will have an impact on Porsche making low volume special cars. It's pocket change to VAG and works wonders for brand awareness - all car companies need halo products. VAG will more be pushing Porsche to increase unit sales of their standard products, which, for how good the Boxster and Cayman are, the sales figures are consistently relatively underachieving compared to the 911. The lower priced product should sell more units than the more expensive product in any business. I think VAG will want to address that.
I can clearly see this recent change in my F30 BMW3 M Sport X Drive from my previous E90 3 Series, interestingly the new one has a 2 litre turbo engine. The old car was a real drivers car where you felt very much in touch with the road and felt part of the action. The new one insulates you from the road has all the electronics and 4 different driving modes in clouding Sport and Sport+, stability management and dear knows what else. It is an extremely capable car and, as an every day car, I prefer it to the old one mainly because I am using it as a means of transport, and frankly it is very smooth and goes round the corners for you. If you were to ask me to drive very fast on a twisty road I think I would prefer the old car because of the better feel. I think 987 against the 981 is probably similar. I like the 986/987 because when I drive them, it is not that frequently and I want to feel everything. I suspect a great number of new Porsche drivers want the comfort and the car to do everything for them, perhaps this is one of the things Peter Morgan sees as a change in ethos. Porsche is no longer a relatively small manufacturer in a niche market but a large player selling to a much wider market and sales are everything. The one good thing about Porsche is they also still try to build cars, like we hope the new GT4 will be, for people like us.
 
So if you buy a Spyder [;)]you have the fun, speed, feedback, build quality, daily usability just, ultimate weekend toy all at an affordable price compared to these 3 rivals and whilst the 4C may be the rarest sight on our roads the price one pays for lack of dealerships to maintain and fettle the 4C will prove extremely frustrating only as an Italian mistress could prove to be. For now very happy to remain a loyal Spyderman over these 3 great pieces of kit
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Indeed Daro, the point that there's no reason to think that the 981 Spyder won't be "fun, speed, feedback, build quality, daily usability just, ultimate weekend toy all at an affordable price" just because it's based on the 981, as the Cayman has shown in the above review vs two rawer cars.[:)]
 
Having had a V6 Exige Roadster for a few months I find I have more fun, more speed, more feedback, (less build quality, but it's forgiveable!), daily usability just, ultimate weekend toy all at an affordable price, and really the only comparable car to the Spyder ethos than either the Elise or 4C.
 
Managed to get out today, cold but dry and sunny. Roads were fairly quiet, so managed a decent blast! Looking forward to more days like this, the weather has been lousy for weeks - roll on spring. [:D]
 

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