Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[MillerIanF]

ORIGINAL: daro911

ORIGINAL: philnotts99 I'm tempted to go straight away. How confident are you about getting into the 2nd wave of deliveries? Is this something the OPC can 100% guarantee you will be allocated in 2016?

I can't see why not if they have my 10% deposit money and say an allocation of 4 cars and me saying OK I will take number 4 please [] But who knows if they will even let me have one at all [] Some of these options should slow any order up massively too []http://www.porsche.com/uk/accessoriesandservice/exclusive/examples/boxster/

If this black Spyder in the photos is to go on sale are we sure it is the lighter and slightly more powerful car to be launched shortly. Two weeks ago my local OPC still seemed to think it was more likely to be a Club Sport type car coming next. Could this be a car being prepared by the sports division as it seems to be very like the GT4 minus the roof. If Porsche have gone to all the trouble of making a Spyder that is GT4 like, an enthusiasts car, why wouldn't they give it the 380BHP. Surely they couldn't build a car like this without needing a price close to the GT4.

 

[flat6]

If Porsche limits the numbers as per GT4, they won't have to worry about how many people are put off by the manual roof. There'll be enough people to buy the handful of cars produced. We have people saying the GT4 will be less usable than a GT3. Hasn't stopped it selling out. We have people saying the 987 Spyder is going to be worth £60K soon despite its manual roof, soif it's going up in value, there must be enough buyers now for a roofless car even if there wasn't when it was first introduced. The other inconvenience was the amount of wind buffeting with the roof up and wind noise from the lack of tight sealing around the windows and the 'free hanging' rear section. The shots of the 981 Spyder look like they might have addressed that some how, by keeping the taller windows and fitting a rear section to their curvature somehow. Folding roofs tend to compromise the shape of the car to accommodate the mechanism, which is why the rear humps on a 987 Spyder can be much more pronounced than on a 997 Speedster, the latter needing a flat lateral surface for the folding roof to sit on. (I also think the standard Boxster roof is not covered so as to avoid a superfluous addition to the car's lines and maximising the space the roof can occupy within the contours). If they do make a manually folding roof like Phil describes, by redesigning the rear of the car to hinge the rear deck rearwards and keep the butresses for aesthetics I concede that it will still look as good as the 987.

 

[H14PDB]

I think my major concern, apart from if I can actually buy one, it that the spy shots make car look slightly odd with roof up. No doubt lovely roof down as a Spyder should be but the weather in UK is not always bright and sunny and I would like to be able to use anytime.

 

[ralphmusic]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon GTS does not seem to have enough rear grip now they have increased the front track . GTS balance looks a bit pants imo. every review seems to have over steer/traction issues !

David, Are you sure they have increased the front track - tech specs show 60.1" for Boxster/Cayman Base, S and GTS. Maybe the difference was the tyres or driving style for effect? The problem I have is getting the rear to rotate a little to ease the front's tendency to push.

 

[MrDemon]

ORIGINAL: ralphmusic

ORIGINAL: MrDemon GTS does not seem to have enough rear grip now they have increased the front track . GTS balance looks a bit pants imo. every review seems to have over steer/traction issues !

David, Are you sure they have increased the front track - tech specs show 60.1" for Boxster/Cayman Base, S and GTS. Maybe the difference was the tyres or driving style for effect? The problem I have is getting the rear to rotate a little to ease the front's tendency to push.

I meant increased the front track on the 981 platform over the 987.2 cars, I guess the GTS might have stiffer Rear ARB on the x73 setup. My R is the same although not quite to that extent so it's just about perfect, hence I have bought a R rear ARB to go onto my Spyder to try. issue with push at the front is limited adjustments ! and oem geo is very safe. I tracked my R once when I had it, did 4 laps went home it was pants on oem tyres and geo. I increased my R front track with spacers and moved the top mounts to give me -1.2 camber and along with the R rear ARB that's perfect on the road. my Spyder runs more like -2.5 at the front , but it's not an every day car, one of the main reasons for the GT4 is I like to dial the car into me, be great to have oem adjustable arms and ARB's, 1st thing i'll do is geo it up ;-) but it's set to -1.3 standard up front ;-) which for road should be perfect.

 

[daro911]

Interesting pontificating going on PH forum re the next Spyder[] The one thing that probably put off buyers of the 987 Spyder was the roof.. So would they put to market another one with exactly the same solution? I like the idea of another manual roof, but all the talk has been of an electric one. But then there has been talk of no more power but weight saving. I'm edging towards thinking this new roof is electric judging from the pics. - The roof is far more structured than the 987 Spyder. The 987 had a support at the windscreen and then only the bar on the roll hoop. Supported by the tensioning wire and rear flaps. The pics of the 981 clearly show support around the windscreen, another just over the drivers head, but also to the rear of the roll hoops. From the rear of the roof to above the drivers head looks like one supporting panel. I don't think a manual roof would allow that. - The rear window section looks much more solid than the 987. Potentially the window is solid glass which wouldn't support a manual version. It also looks far more integrated into the roof. - The section where the flaps meet the rear deck is definitely separate to the main rear deck. The bit where the writing is, forms part of the smaller section and that groove is just a styling line. That whole section it's on though is separate. I don't think there are any more gaps which would allow the flaps to stay in place whilst that section opens and the whole roof goes down as one. So why would that be separate to the rear deck if manual roof and a similar solution to the 987? - I think the rear flaps on these pics could virtually be a solid piece which locks into place and may offer some support to the roof but doesn't pull it tight like the 987. It's almost become a Spyder styling feature only. - I think the following would happen to open the roof. The rear flaps lift out of place. The little sections lift up to the side. The rear deck now lifts up and back or up at an angle. The main roof then folds in. The flaps have either gone in first or go in during the main roof process. The rear deck then closes followed by the little sections.

 

[jdpef356]

ORIGINAL: daro911

ORIGINAL: MrDemon

ORIGINAL: daro911

ORIGINAL: MrDemon I still say 150 cars over 2 years with electric roof. not long to wait. that's only 2 per OPC per year.

Why do you think electricity for the roof? Even the £145k 997 Speedster had a manual roof[&o]

because most people hate the manual roof :-(

Most people I ever came across who by passed getting a Spyder was because the roof wasn't folding manual that it became a deal breaker for them ... Mazda MX5 with manual roof never bothered record breaking sales I think it's the faff with having to spend 90-120 seconds erecting the tent top that was the killer for the majority of wannabe Spydermen

OK lets turn it round. Had the Gen 1 987 had a electric roof and the production number were around 5k plus where would the values be now compared with the handful that were made?[&:] And just as a by the way. If the doubters re (I'm not buying because of the roof) had got behind the wheel and driven how many of them would now be owners despite the roof excuse![]

 

[ralphmusic]

PORSCHE SUV SPYDER PROTOTYPE SPOTTED WITH NEW ROOF DESIGN

One owner was quoted as "I shall never have it up"

 

[jdpef356]

ORIGINAL: ralphmusic PORSCHE SUV SPYDER PROTOTYPE SPOTTED WITH NEW ROOF DESIGN

One owner was quoted as "I shall never have it up"

That looks like and improvment![][] [/quote] One owner was quoted as "I shall never have it up" That would be Daro - he never has his up[][]

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: jdpef356 OK lets turn it round. Had the Gen 1 987 had a electric roof and the production number were around 5k plus where would the values be now compared with the handful that were made?[&:] And just as a by the way. If the doubters re (I'm not buying because of the roof) had got behind the wheel and driven how many of them would now be owners despite the roof excuse![]

Good questions. I think if the 987 Spyder had an electric roof (assuming it wasn't as good as a Boxster electric roof and assuming the car didn't look as good as ours for accommodating an electric roof) I think people would have said - what's the point in a Spyder when it's so similar to a normal Boxster. And then as you say, what if doubters would have driven the car as it currently is. Hmmmmm. I reckon some might have said it drives so well that they'll buy it anyway and some might have said, it's just a Boxster with an inconvenient roof and lowered suspension - a normal Boxster is better for every day. I guess there's always people who want something watered down to the point of pointless. For sure someone will buy a Cayman S and want to get hold of GT4 aero to graft onto it because it will have the softer ride they desire with the GT4 look. We saw the hard top produced for the Spyder that most if not all of us thought was totally pointless at something like £7K (and a bit ghastly). I guess there'll always be people who want to water down a specialised product and turn it into a daily driver, but if Porsche had sold the Spyder in the way they did the GT4 (leak information, whet the appetite, limited order), they wouldn't have to consider anyone who was put off.

 

[philnotts99]

Just had a call from one of the OPC's who has stated "Porsche are to reveal the Boxster Spyder in April so if you wish to place a deposit to guarantee yourself a car please contact me asap" Anyone else had such a call? Or paid a deposit yet?

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: philnotts99 Just had a call from one of the OPC's who has stated "Porsche are to reveal the Boxster Spyder in April so if you wish to place a deposit to guarantee yourself a car please contact me asap" Anyone else had such a call? Or paid a deposit yet?

The reveal date is Wednesday April 1st as I posted about xx pages back now [] but unlike your OPC my chosen (2) who were both cagey haven't heard a word! []

 

[philnotts99]

Looks like this OPC is trying to make 4 weeks interest out of deposits then []

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: philnotts99 Looks like this OPC is trying to make 4 weeks interest out of deposits then []

I always understood (possibly wrongly) that an OPC should never take a deposit for a car that officially doesn't exist[&o]

 

[johnnyspyder*]

I offered my OPC a deposit last week and they wouldn't take one (my LOI was lodged last November)

 

[kitchens]

Mine said had no idea and no details of the car ..so it is still a guessing game

 

[MrDemon]

ORIGINAL: philnotts99 Just had a call from one of the OPC's who has stated "Porsche are to reveal the Boxster Spyder in April so if you wish to place a deposit to guarantee yourself a car please contact me asap" Anyone else had such a call? Or paid a deposit yet?

don't get fooled by the deposit thing I paid my GT4 deposit way after launch day and got a car. If the OPC wants you to have a car you will get a car the bigger question is to ask "are you going to allocate me a car from the 2 you might get in 2015 ? "

 

[MrDemon]

ORIGINAL: daro911

ORIGINAL: philnotts99 Just had a call from one of the OPC's who has stated "Porsche are to reveal the Boxster Spyder in April so if you wish to place a deposit to guarantee yourself a car please contact me asap" Anyone else had such a call? Or paid a deposit yet?

The reveal date is Wednesday April 1st as I posted about xx pages back now [] but unlike your OPC my chosen (2) who were both cagey haven't heard a word! []

you mean Like I posted 6 months ago ;-)

 

[spyderwhite]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon

ORIGINAL: philnotts99 Just had a call from one of the OPC's who has stated "Porsche are to reveal the Boxster Spyder in April so if you wish to place a deposit to guarantee yourself a car please contact me asap" Anyone else had such a call? Or paid a deposit yet?

don't get fooled by the deposit thing I paid my GT4 deposit way after launch day and got a car. If the OPC wants you to have a car you will get a car the bigger question is to ask "are you going to allocate me a car from the 2 you might get in 2015 ? "

So no 918 Spyders owners pushing you out the frame then!no new porsche ever purchased ,no deposit on time !so how did you get a car?also most dealers if no deposit paid at launch no car! My dealer is now saying any loi for any forthcoming special has no weight!so best to get deposit down asap as shows you are firm buyer and not a time waster although still no guarantee of a car!

 

[Tracy_Wilkins]

Yes I have been contacted by my PC regarding the new Spyder to place a deposit down but have declined. Tracy Boxster RS