….really….so what were you doing in the Spyder? I'm curious as I find the Spyder so predictable and uneventful, which is part of it's brilliance, you can really push it to the limit without the fear of something dramatic happening.
Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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MrDemon
PCGB Member
My gf spun her clio 3 times Lift off over steer and you are pretty much spinning if you don't do any correction , I have seen boxster spin in front of me on public roads. Do that in a 911 and that engine in the rear will spin you like a dime. I have had to dial in opporsite lock in the Spyder on the road, but my tyres spin up easy when cold, wheels spin in 3rd in a straight line lol, again do that too much and it will snap you the other way. Quite hard cars to drive over the limit imo that goes for any mid engine car.
spyderwhite
Member
Markets are very easily talked up ie is the 991gt3 worth £180 k IMHO a big fat no but the 987 spyder in desirable spec must be worth £50k ! The gt4 I think is not the car some desired ie the -30 mm pasm is not my cup of tea I would have been happier with the x73 (-20 mm ) suspension of the R /spyder.i might be in with a chance for a late gt4 but my interest has now shifted to the 981 spyder IF it comes as a softer gt4 ie 385hp 3.8 or 3.4 tuned to 360 hp plus extra torque and x73 suspension then IMHO it may be a better proposition as a weekend fun road car over a gt4.to me if I wanted a hardcore track car then a lotus would be better and a porsche 997 gt3 would be the best all Rounder!
Rocket Man
New member
ok, so you make the magic 50K for your Spyder, what could you get for 50K to replace it. i would not know what to get but i think my next car may be PDK (shock) only due to me driving style is more of a cruiser than a racer these days. my Spyder may look now like a race car but i drive it like a pensioner. still cant think of any car that i would not have to put another 20k towards to even look at. i quite like the GT4 but might look at a GT4 RS PDK if they make one. cant see that being under 80k
ORIGINAL: MrDemon If I put mine on at £65k it would be the cheapest Manual with Buckets, Spyder wheels and PCCB's does that make it that money now. I could easy put it on PH tonight to raise interest, all it takes is 3 cars to all be >£50k and then every new one for sale will be £50k it's easy to make them go up. all it would take while there are none for sale is 3 of us putting them for sale and than a week later saying sold. people say they sold at that and then that's todays price, easyI feel like buying every manual that comes for sale and command the market. again this is how the CSL went up with 1 guy doing just that, same with Focus RS market.
MrDemon
PCGB Member
I am not saying sell at £50k. I mean 3 of us put cars up for sale at £50k then say sold a week later. Thats all it takes to make the Spyder and any future sales >£50k I would not sell mine for £65k. As you say nothing to buy even at £65k which is any better. It would take £70k to make me think ok you can have it.
The problem that I found with the CR (Which is very similar to the Spyder) is that the PSM causes more problems than it solves on the track. I personally prefer the throttle response when it's not on Sport mode but unfortunately that gives you a big dose of PSM even when the PSM is turned off, which I found out twice through experience. I was nicely catching a slide and drifting it lovely (On a track!!) and then suddenly the PSM kills the throttle.....which causes the car to go into a big tank slapper! Unfortunately it makes the situation worse combined with the me the driver as when it cuts the throttle, the natural reaction is to press it harder. Then, when the PSM allows the throttle again and "Wham"!! Full throttle comes in, probably just when you don't need it. It then becomes a fight between you and the PSM as to who has control! [
]It was strange. I had blatted up a major road, got to some traffic lights, had dropped my speed but they were on green so made the 90 degree left turn at the junction and when I got back on the gas (not heavily because it was a minor road) before I knew what was happening I was heading for the near side kerb on my left. Had no idea why the car was spinning and just managed to catch it. The weird thing is I wasn't really pushing that hard at that point and i've never had to hold back in the Spyder - as you say typically very predictable and that's what I loved about it. Maybe I hit a greasy patch. I know the 911 is supposed to be able to punish you quite badly but I believe they dialled that out pretty much in some models. But then I think if I oversteer the 911 I wouldn't be able to catch it, given the pendulum effect of the rear weight bias. Though if the power of the engine sends me into oversteer that's effectively a powerslide whereas lift-off oversteer may be the crueler of the two? But ultimately i'm refraining from getting near the limits, so I need to overcome that. I do though like the fact that i've still got stuff to learn and explore about this car. Means the novelty hasn't worn off and i'm buzzing about that.
MillerIanF
New member
Don't know much about 911 handling but it seems logical that a 90 degree turn is where you are most likely to feel the effect of a rear engined car as the weight in the tail wants to continue straight on as the car turns. Mr Demon has 911 experience so he may be able to throw some light on your experience.
Andrew Killington
New member
From P'heads Extract from article on GT4 published today... "Expect a sibling or two for the GT4 before too long. Andreas Preuninger, manager for Porsche’s motorsport and high performance car division, hinted heavily that another manual GT-style car would be coming soon..." What do we think? Is he talking about the Spyder? Could it be the same engine? It has the same seats and spoiler... Edited by 2010spy on Thursday 5th March 23:35
Rocket Man
New member
could that have a statement made before we were told about the GT3 RS
philnotts99
Member
Thats very close to me. Still PDK. I wonder if this was a manual the price would be any higher?! Maybe three manual owners should put there Spyders on PH for 1 week at 60k, so what happens! [8D]
philnotts99
Member
I think its the good feeling factor of buying a new Porsche and having the new model. Will the 981 Spyder offer a much better driving experience for the road.. Not sure :/ Hoping for more spy shots very soon!!
johnnyspyder*
New member
This manual v PDK debate is getting very tiresome. It is all down to personal choice and what one wants to use the car for. If there are 3 manuals on the market and 3 buyers looking for PDK then the manuals won't sell - and vice verse. A car is only ever worth what someone will pay for it. Peresonally, I would pay more for a PDK than a manual - in fact I wouldn't buy a manual again and given that over 60% to 70% of new Porsches are sold with PDK then I am not alone. But if you prefer manual that is fine - your choice.
I think PDK nay sayers miss the most key point of the debate "residual price" .. instead of wasting there time banging on and on like fat boy Clarkson and his 2 clowns "use too" they should get with the programme and accept the fact that PDK is as much fun for the driver equally involving in a totally different fashion whilst returning better mpg, lower co2's, more speed and far nicer gear ratios [
] The only difference in desirability which is never picked up by the nay sayers a PDK costs well over £2k more new and is worth not a penny more in the used arena [] The fact of the matter is if the PDK Spyders are so undesirable the market would be constantly offering examples for sale, way below the price of a manual but this has "never" been the case since Spyders started popping up used literally from day one back in 2010 when Porsche flooded the market place with many unloved and unwanted examples and I would add none of which had a anything to do with the choice of gears 
So the Spyder was collected yesterday. I will no doubt miss it. It might turn out to be a poor financial decision to have sold it if the latest asking prices turn out to be selling prices. But I had the car over two years, 10,000 miles, loads of great memories and it didn't really cost anything overall, so I can't really complain. I became increasingly conscious of the mileage sensitivity of the Spyder. I don't want to have to be constantly aware of putting miles on my "fun" car, because then it stops being fun. So it was the right time to sell. I also couldn't predict what effect the new Spyder might have, so I couldn't justify keeping it as an "investment" - and besides, if it was in the garage I wouldn't be able to resist using it. As to the tedious PDK vs Manual debate, who knows what impact that might have? The fact remains that the PDK in the Spyder is a terrific box. Running up the Col du Turini in the setting summer sun whilst constantly running up and down the box far quicker than I ever could do in a manual was a great example of where the PDK shines - it is so accessible. I entirely see the pros of the manual box but it really is horses for courses. I certainly wouldn't be put off having a PDK again. For what it's worth, my car was bought by an enthusiastic collector - so perhaps PDK is "collector" spec? Anyway, enjoy your Spyders chaps, I certainly did. The ever present problem of what to replace it with remains....
philnotts99
Member
Not trying to cause the debate but its interesting that we have not seen a manual Spyder come up for sale with the big 3 for a long time. I sence the day will come very soon!
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