….really….so what were you doing in the Spyder? I'm curious as I find the Spyder so predictable and uneventful, which is part of it's brilliance, you can really push it to the limit without the fear of something dramatic happening.
ORIGINAL: MrDemon If I put mine on at £65k it would be the cheapest Manual with Buckets, Spyder wheels and PCCB's does that make it that money now. I could easy put it on PH tonight to raise interest, all it takes is 3 cars to all be >£50k and then every new one for sale will be £50k it's easy to make them go up. all it would take while there are none for sale is 3 of us putting them for sale and than a week later saying sold. people say they sold at that and then that's todays price, easyI feel like buying every manual that comes for sale and command the market. again this is how the CSL went up with 1 guy doing just that, same with Focus RS market.
The problem that I found with the CR (Which is very similar to the Spyder) is that the PSM causes more problems than it solves on the track. I personally prefer the throttle response when it's not on Sport mode but unfortunately that gives you a big dose of PSM even when the PSM is turned off, which I found out twice through experience. I was nicely catching a slide and drifting it lovely (On a track!!) and then suddenly the PSM kills the throttle.....which causes the car to go into a big tank slapper! Unfortunately it makes the situation worse combined with the me the driver as when it cuts the throttle, the natural reaction is to press it harder. Then, when the PSM allows the throttle again and "Wham"!! Full throttle comes in, probably just when you don't need it. It then becomes a fight between you and the PSM as to who has control! [
]It was strange. I had blatted up a major road, got to some traffic lights, had dropped my speed but they were on green so made the 90 degree left turn at the junction and when I got back on the gas (not heavily because it was a minor road) before I knew what was happening I was heading for the near side kerb on my left. Had no idea why the car was spinning and just managed to catch it. The weird thing is I wasn't really pushing that hard at that point and i've never had to hold back in the Spyder - as you say typically very predictable and that's what I loved about it. Maybe I hit a greasy patch. I know the 911 is supposed to be able to punish you quite badly but I believe they dialled that out pretty much in some models. But then I think if I oversteer the 911 I wouldn't be able to catch it, given the pendulum effect of the rear weight bias. Though if the power of the engine sends me into oversteer that's effectively a powerslide whereas lift-off oversteer may be the crueler of the two? But ultimately i'm refraining from getting near the limits, so I need to overcome that. I do though like the fact that i've still got stuff to learn and explore about this car. Means the novelty hasn't worn off and i'm buzzing about that.
Don't know much about 911 handling but it seems logical that a 90 degree turn is where you are most likely to feel the effect of a rear engined car as the weight in the tail wants to continue straight on as the car turns. Mr Demon has 911 experience so he may be able to throw some light on your experience.
Thats very close to me. Still PDK. I wonder if this was a manual the price would be any higher?! Maybe three manual owners should put there Spyders on PH for 1 week at 60k, so what happens! [8D]
I think its the good feeling factor of buying a new Porsche and having the new model. Will the 981 Spyder offer a much better driving experience for the road.. Not sure :/ Hoping for more spy shots very soon!!
I think PDK nay sayers miss the most key point of the debate "residual price" .. instead of wasting there time banging on and on like fat boy Clarkson and his 2 clowns "use too" they should get with the programme and accept the fact that PDK is as much fun for the driver equally involving in a totally different fashion whilst returning better mpg, lower co2's, more speed and far nicer gear ratios [
] The only difference in desirability which is never picked up by the nay sayers a PDK costs well over £2k more new and is worth not a penny more in the used arena [] The fact of the matter is if the PDK Spyders are so undesirable the market would be constantly offering examples for sale, way below the price of a manual but this has "never" been the case since Spyders started popping up used literally from day one back in 2010 when Porsche flooded the market place with many unloved and unwanted examples and I would add none of which had a anything to do with the choice of gears 
Not trying to cause the debate but its interesting that we have not seen a manual Spyder come up for sale with the big 3 for a long time. I sence the day will come very soon!
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