Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[spyderwhite]

ORIGINAL: daro911

ORIGINAL: spyderwhite The 981 Spyder needs to passive suspension like x73 and either the gt4 3.8 or 3.4 with 360 hp plus extra torques.

My money is going on the following educated spec guess from clue to date [] come April 1st official launch 3.8L 370-375 bhp Same standard kit as GT4 Manual only Manual 2 piece roof system X73 Sport Chassis

I would be happy with that as long as the torque is not reduced and perhaps a £60k price tag £66k with well chosen extras! But if they installed the same power but with out the" forced induction" side vents keeping the power overall lower than gt4 would also make sense in shared engine/ecu etc Plus no rear aero and low front split will make it a better street proposition

 

[CLIFFWILKINS]

My guess it will be a 3.4 engine []

 

[daro911]

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[jayxx83]

Interesting info on various suspension specs vs 987 Spyder. As the cars get heavier you have to stiffen up the bars / springs. I guess it's why the spyder feels nice and compliant on A and B roads. On poorly surface roads today the car felt smoother and more controlled than my W212 facelift e class. Although the e class has a more cushioned ride, the spyder makes you feel alive and connected without jarring you. I find the E puts you to sleep! Amazing suspension tuning by porsche.

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon If I put mine on at £65k it would be the cheapest Manual with Buckets, Spyder wheels and PCCB's does that make it that money now. I could easy put it on PH tonight to raise interest, all it takes is 3 cars to all be >£50k and then every new one for sale will be £50k it's easy to make them go up. all it would take while there are none for sale is 3 of us putting them for sale and than a week later saying sold. people say they sold at that and then that's todays price, easy I feel like buying every manual that comes for sale and command the market. again this is how the CSL went up with 1 guy doing just that, same with Focus RS market.

[I hope I don't appear negative about Spyder values] It still depends whether people want a Spyder that much to pay £50k for one. If they do then what you say could work (because the market can absorb it rather than the ploy driving it). If Spyder buyers do not feel the car is worth £50k before turning their eye to something else, then they wont sell at £50k. The Spyder is in a window whereby at current prices it is seen by enough people as one of the best Porsches to buy. Let's see up to what value it will still be viewed as such. It is doing very well so far

 

[spyderwhite]

I am with mrD on this one what unique porsche can you now buy at £50k? I won't get in to a Pdk manual debate but a 997.2 manual 3.4/3.8S or GTS with low miles are hard to find that's looking for the last year or so likewise with late 987.2s but Pdk a plenty!i am not saying Pdk cars are bad or are not sort after but good manual cars are harder to come by why?

 

[Rocket Man]

when was it that the last manual came up for sale. just curious what a low milage (below 10000) manual car would fetch now and no i am not looking to sell. as i have already said before, even if i got 55 for my car there is noting out there at that price to replace it, well not for me. i need to find 80 to find a replacement for the spyder

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: johnnyspyder* A car is only ever worth what someone will pay for it.

Indeed. People can change their mind about something they really want if they don't want to spend what the market is asking. As I say, will be interesting to see how high the Spyder value can get before it comes up against other options in the buyer's mind. People always have other choices even if one of their choices in itself is rare.

ORIGINAL: MrDemon Keep R and buy Elise cup Or GT4 ? or sell everything and buy a 458 ;-) I need a smaller house and a bigger garage. Loads of great car to own at £20k you have these 5 or a GT4 lol 968 club sport TVR tamora Mk 2 clio v6 in yellow Exige Mk1 focus RS

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon GT4 sold out 5x the cars they have made and it's manual only !

It comes as no surprise to me that the GT4 sold out so quickly. Porsche has made its followers wait 10 years for a Cayman body to carry 911 performance. Of course it would sell out no matter what transmission. I really don't see any enlightening statistic about manual transmission to be drawn from it. Porsche really does know how to generate desire and they have the patience of a saint. We were programmed that something like the GT4 would never happen, so its coming has caused a frenzy and people thinking that Porsche agrees that manual is a sacred art that should be preserved. If the Cayman wasn't such a damn good platform I reckon it would have been given PDK option in the GT4 but it would usurp too many 911’s in the hierarchy (not the GT3, maybe Carrera S or GTS). Yet the most driver focused machines they have decided must be PDK only to fully exploit their capabilities i.e. the GT3 and GT3 RS, the former doing very well with its residuals and the latter no doubt to do the same. I have told myself not to engage in any more debates on transmission as they're never informative (other than that the Porsche owner demographic may be not what I had expected) plus I always regret the time wasted[] Enjoy whatever you drive[]

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: flat6

ORIGINAL: MrDemon GT4 sold out 5x the cars they have made and it's manual only !

Interesting stat Mr D had it not been launched as 200 UK cars only perhaps the story would have ended very differently [] In the meantime where is that going to leave the 150 Spyders with 3.8L Manual 2 Piece Roof, Manual Gears Sport Chassis - struggling to find homes against the more than competent GTS or will they sell 2/3/4 x the allocation[&o]

 

[spyderwhite]

ORIGINAL: daro911

ORIGINAL: flat6

In the meantime where is that going to leave the 150 Spyders with 3.8L Manual 2 Piece Roof, Manual Gears Sport Chassis - struggling to find homes against the more than competent GTS or will they sell 2/3/4 x the allocation[&o] [/color]

If the 981 Spyder comes as above demand will be high but if it comes only with a 3.4 Gts engine then sales will be slow all IMHO

 

[tyinsky]

ORIGINAL: flat6

ORIGINAL: tyinsky

ORIGINAL: flat6

ORIGINAL: MrDemon I still think the PDK market is now very slow for a 987.2 Spyder. And I still think the 987.2 manuals will be £55k this year if not next. the auto box from year dot has never sold well 2nd hand down the line, most sales on this thread are PDK owners moving on to newer things. Not die hards who want a fun drivers car for the weekend and now feel to old to get into a Elise. The market is big for cars which feel more real and prices will reflect that going forward. Is there even a manual bucket seated car for sale today with spyder wheels ? you just don't see them come up these days

We've seen plenty of manual cars and PDK cars come up for sale. I won't enter the manual vs PDK debate[]. It's as if no Spyder owner on any forum is representative of the demographic[]. Some who have a manual car with buckets talk up the increased demand for their cars while the demographic owning these cars on forums are driving all variants. A collector may well want the brochure spec of manual and buckets, but at present, collectors are few and far between and for most owners it seems to be their only sports car and they sell it to get their next toy rather than keep it and buy more and more cars alongside it. Just my opinion of course. Will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Yep. How you getting on with the Turbo? Must be incredible right now with the sunshine and lots of cold air. Hope all's well.

Hi. I'm loving the turbo. Happy to make it a keeper, which was the plan now that there'll be no more cars for me whilst all spare funds are going into my prime interest. However, I have a psychological barrier to overcome with the turbo. With the Spyder i'd happily push on in it with the power being manageable for a novice like me. Foot to the floor through the gears, early on the power out of corners. The performance of the turbo is much more than can be casually exerted without thinking, how much am I actually going to use. Pushing on through a couple of gears doesn't reach a crescendo in a near-as-dammit 200mph car. Also, getting on the power early coming out of a corner; how much to use. In the Spyder I would use all it had and you could make a sensible gear choice to modulate the thrust. With the turbo the gear won't make much difference unless you're going to choose so high a gear to take it way outside of it's range (sweet SPOT is an inappropriate term for the turbo's performance curve; it'll propel you over quite a range). But I am assured that it will understeer if I get over exuberant. But I think i'll have to take it to a track (with large run-offs) to push it further and get over that psychological barrier. It's not anything to do with the car. It handles and steers very directly and inspires confidence in me just like the Spyder did. It's just the brute force of the engine that I need to 'grow a pair' to be a match for it. I did once get snap oversteer in the Spyder ( and I wasn't even going that fast or really going for it) and I think that is etched on my brain even though it may be less likely to happen in the turbo given the ultra wide rear tyres and AWD to combat destabilisation.

Good to hear you love it. Not many things that fast on the road, and little that practical as fast. I'm sure that confidence to chuck it about will return in time - I used to have a plastic car with a mid engined twin turbo engine made in a shed in Leicester, which at first made me drive with extreme caution, towards the end of my time with it I was going sideways coming out of roundabouts. Isn't it always like this? After a while you just adjust. Spyder is getting plenty of use. Taking it to Scotland in April.

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: spyderwhite If the 981 Spyder comes as above demand will be high but if it comes only with a 3.4 Gts engine then sales will be slow all IMHO

Totally agree with the 3.4 Engine but I am personally very excited by the 3.8L 375bhp version[]

 

[MrDemon]

if its a 3.4 you are looking at £55k Spyder 987.2 cars on day one In the right spec. I am hoping it's a 3.8 with electric roof, which is sealed and it's just as quite as a GTS, then I might sell the GT4 for one. As loi means very little and it's all about who they want to have one , I am sure my OPC would let me swap to a Spyder, esp if I let them have my GT4 to resell at a margin. £60k car next spring any takers on bets ?

 

[spyderwhite]

Considering it's just over 3 weeks until release date there is very little information , rumours or general chit chat about the car unlike the GT4! I still think if it comes 3.8 and x73 etc then it may be a more sort after car than the gt4 and there will be a surge in demand on release ! So mrD you may not be able to swap out of gt4 I personally would keep my options open until we know more!

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon if its a 3.4 you are looking at £55k Spyder 987.2 cars on day one In the right spec. I am hoping it's a 3.8 with electric roof, which is sealed and it's just as quite as a GTS, then I might sell the GT4 for one. As loi means very little and it's all about who they want to have one , I am sure my OPC would let me swap to a Spyder, esp if I let them have my GT4 to resell at a margin. £60k car next spring any takers on bets ?

It is 3.8L it is manual only, it is manual 2 piece roof only, it is same spec ie seats, trim, standard kit as a GT4 and I would hazard a guess circa £62k before options That spec on used market in summer 2016 may make a Gen 1 at anything close to £50k a non starter The current values of the 987 Spyder IMO were always dependent on Porsche not making another suncap hump backed version on the 981 model[&o]

 

[spyderwhite]

Ps you could end up with both generations of Spyders []

 

[spyderwhite]

ORIGINAL: daro911

ORIGINAL: MrDemon if its a 3.4 you are looking at £55k Spyder 987.2 cars on day one In the right spec. I am hoping it's a 3.8 with electric roof, which is sealed and it's just as quite as a GTS, then I might sell the GT4 for one. As loi means very little and it's all about who they want to have one , I am sure my OPC would let me swap to a Spyder, esp if I let them have my GT4 to resell at a margin. £60k car next spring any takers on bets ?

It is 3.8L it is manual only, it is manual 2 piece roof only, it is same spec ie seats, trim, standard kit as a GT4 and I would hazard a guess circa £62k before options That spec on used market in summer 2016 may make a Gen 1 at anything close to £50k a non starter The current values of the 987 Spyder IMO were always dependent on Porsche not making another suncap hump backed version on the 981 model[&o]

I hope you are right on the spec.what do you know we don't know? And if so prices of 981 Spyder next summer could be a lot higher than release price thus making the 987 Spyder also in demand so maybe £50k+ may be achievable

 

[MrDemon]

this time I have NO info on the Spyder unlike the GT4 I was fed info from Germany via a friend so had good info on that car. If things go right in about 3 weeks time you could see demand on the 987.2 Spyder be reignited esp as My car is on the cover of EVO I see EVO being really good news for our cars so any rise in price I will want a % fee

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: spyderwhite I hope you are right on the spec.what do you know we don't know? And if so prices of 981 Spyder next summer could be a lot higher than release price thus making the 987 Spyder also in demand so maybe £50k+ may be achievable

"IF" my info is correct then I know a GT4 to my spec runs out at £72400 so I would guess a GT4 spec[]3.8l Spyder would be circa £70k [8D] making my 2011 PDK Gen 1 worth £20-25k less[]