philnotts99
Member
lol [8D] Can i really part with it!! 
Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
- Thread starter daro911
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spyderwhite
Member
If a Pdk is coming for the gt4 then a Pdk 981 Spyder will not be far behind!ORIGINAL: daro911So assuming my info is correct 3.8L Manual only I can see the original Spyder with PDK shooting up in value compared to the stick shifters which in Gen1 & Gen2 will be as common as muck[] [
spyderwhite
Member
The gt4 already matches the 991s Pdk figures and is as quick as manual 991gts so Pdk will not be a problem and I can see the 981 Spyder coming with both from release with gt4 Pdk to follow
MrDemon
PCGB Member
At least buying 2nd hand all will be manual, result Best way to stop people ordering rubbish is not to offer it, like wheels also. They won't be making PDK cars, in 981.1 cars. With out the sus adjustment the 981 Spyder does not offer much over the 987.2 Spyder. It's now stuck with old tech like manual gears and manual roof, but with new steering tech and now long gearing. Not sure why any one would change out a 987.2 manual Spyder for the new one. And PDK owners it's a backward step , so you all say ! It needed electric roof to set it apart and offer new design.
Best way to stop people ordering rubbish is not to offer it, like wheels also. They won't be making PDK cars, in 981.1 cars. With out the sus adjustment the 981 Spyder does not offer much over the 987.2 Spyder. It's now stuck with old tech like manual gears and manual roof, but with new steering tech and now long gearing. Not sure why any one would change out a 987.2 manual Spyder for the new one. And PDK owners it's a backward step , so you all say ! It needed electric roof to set it apart and offer new design.
philnotts99
Member
Even if its the 3.8?
The 981 will offer a superior interior, a superior chassis & suspension set up,a superior standard kit spec, a superior sounding PSE, a superior torque & bhp and who knows probably a more user friendly version of the original suncap & scarf I won't say beefed up looks etc as this is all in the eye of the beholder but as a rule Porsche have rarely made an inferior brand new model to the previous efforts and on paper I can see no reason to suspect this will not be the case with a 981 Spyder In fact I wouldn't be surprised when the dust has settled to see the Spyder being a more practical and user friendly "road" car than the very track focussed GT4 but I will willingly eat humble pie if this proves not to be the case [
] In the meantime the 987 Spyder (especially the ultra rare PDK's[]) will always have a following and I am sure the even rarer 3.8L Gen 2's if limited to circa 150 cars only will equally have their own hard core followers who may have never even considered a Gen 1 but with the massive step forward would consider a Gen 2 Really don't understand all the PDK negativity? It is the only transmission in the GT3 now and that is supposed to be the ultimate 'drivers' 911. I guess it is struggling to shake off the automatic image. Wouldn't bother me having a PDK, would of happily bought either in the Spyder yet I would have rejected any car with buckets or without aircon and satnav. Luckily we all like different.
MrDemon
PCGB Member
it's not that much faster , my Spyder has a better power to weight than the new GT4 ! could even be faster to 80 mph. you will only notice above 90mph imo and at that point you are only just out of 2nd gear ! you can mod a 3.4 to 360 bhp (easy reversible mods) the new one will weigh more and only have 375 ! at that point the shorter ratio 987.2 would be faster to say 90mph ! the steering and gearing are killing these new cars over the older ones, all well and good for new buyers, but to throw something away which is better for 0.4 bigger engine seems daft est as that will cost you £25k only reason I am buying a GT4 is that I am keeping my Spyder so can have both to play with and both with no sign of being worth less. Spyder for me is a keeper atm, GT4 I'll prob move on after 12 months. mixing old tech with new tech does not work that well for me, you keep the 2 so called worse bits from the old car tech wise and add the 2 new worse bits to the new car ! imo we have a great old school Spyder which is awesome, with have a manual GT4 GT car, imo the 981 SPyder should have been PDK and electric roof with that 3.8 to move the game on and make it more an every day car.
MrDemon
PCGB Member
some people will never get it, but the manual demand is high on these types of cars, so the GT4 only being manual sold 5x the amount of cars they made ! And manual Spyders never come up for sale !!! yes we are all different but to throw away £7k worth of free bucks is madness, to add AC to an open top concept is madness, and well I hate satnav, you just end up on the motor way with all the other sheep heading in the wrong direction ! I am not anti PDK as it happens, I look at what fits the car, it's way out of place in these types of cars as I said above the 981 SPyder should have been all new tech. inc PDK and a R8 style roof. the 991 GT3 needed headline lap times it was falling way behind, so they added tech to ge the times inc rear steer and PDK neither are MOTORSPORT items which a GT3 should be. again the GT4 fills that GT manual gap, not about lap times but has to put in a good one and more about involvement and using 3 pedals. no point buying a GT4 for road use only, the cars needs to go on track, I only wish I had the cash to keep my R or add a DSG V10 plus to the fleet as my daily
Rocket Man
New member
i am not a fan of either PDK or manual as my Spyder is manual but my next car may be PDK (because of my driving style). the problem with the 981 as manual is the long ratios of the gears. as mrD says the 981 needs to be PDK. if the new Spyder is manual then I think it may spoil it with it's ratios. Porsche sell very few manual 981 cars. it think it will only work on a track focused car like the GT4
Not madness at all, buckets don't work for everyone and would of made the car uncomfortable/unsuitable for me. Great if others like them, they are really nice seat, but I'm not the only one. AC isn't pointless in an open car, not sure how you work that one out? Again, not everyone want's it but most seem to. Satnav I personally find useful and like having it built into the car as it looks better. PDK is right for some/many, and clearly Porsche don't think it is out of place in their ultimate road/semi track going 911.
MrDemon
PCGB Member
I respect your views and we could debate for ages about buckets, AC, nav and automatics, but we are polar opposites with our own views so seems pointless. You also like the roof on 99% of the time, most people here take the roof off every chance they get. AC and roof off, seems pointless to me. A lot of owners come from Lotus Elise and Caterhams even a Atom here so the cars a luxury from those. I see most people who had PDK are now gone(they like to read and post though) and the cars are long forgotten, just the odd PDK owner left here atm but they shout loud ;-) people can voice the pro's of PDK till the cows come home but it's like flogging a dead horse imo, always the bad thing about tech, it's outdated too fast. the last 6 or 7 owners to get out of their PDK cars did so at the right time imo. (again imho) only time will tell ie 3 or 4 years. To make the 981 sit apart from the 987.2 Spyder it should have gone all tech imo, like the 991 GT3 but to me it now will have the 4 worse things about it, 3 to me ! add in all the toys and it's not even going to be light either or with no adjustment not track friendly ! 1: Manual only 2: long ratio's 2: electric steering 3: manual noisy roof add in electric hand brake and even maybe a shitty co2 high tax band and atm I cannot see who would want it ? even the MPG looks pants on the GT4 real life will be sub 20 imo. now think 981 SPyder with PDK, quite at speed R8 electric roof, the 3.8 and that's a car I would want, looks and tech all working together. swap a 987.2 Spyder for one and £25k, not a chance. But time will tell on the electric roof, every one says it manual still and that for me personally that is it's downfall for me.
philnotts99
Member
MrD... Your putting me off the 981 Spyder !! lol [8D] Hopefully some more information and pics will come out before April 1st and we will know more.
philnotts99
Member
Hmm not sure.. I need to see more images of it really to see. Im not to keen on the 981 boxster or 981 Boxster GTS looks. I wouldnt swap my Spyder for a GTS. Is older better?! I am beginning to think that way.
Rocket Man
New member
put me down for a GT4, if only. go for it MrD, cant wait to see it
spyderwhite
Member
If that is the case mrD would keep his R tune to 360 hp and put some kwv3 suspension on and have the quicker car and save £30k. A pdk987 Spyder is only 0.2 secs slower than a gt4 over the standing quarter mile! I would see what the new Spyder has to offer before making a decision !It could be more sort after 12 months down the line than a gt4! I mean if you want a track/ road porsche there is no substitute for a gt3! But I agree newer does not always mean better
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