Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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SpyderDavid
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Consistently inconsistent.MrDemon said:
there comes a price point where you can over looks a few negatives.legin said:
£60k is about there for me. At £80/90k there were better cars to buy.
no car is perfect , as a daily shitter it would do the job. (Joke btw)
The steering and gearing would be sub par, but I would give it the 435bhp it deserved and drop down to 19” wheels Which would drop the gearing.
Mr D have you actually driven the new 4L 718GT version?MrDemon said:
Talk about no car is perfect - stop start is fine by me but the switch from F6 to F3 wasn't the best idea IMO and to avoid that you have to switch the stop start to OFF
Sound track - Nothing worth talking about until 5k revs and then the volume best described as WEAK the tone Max Bass zero Treble [
] - Marks out of 10 from my ears 2Because the car is always in the equivalent of "981 SPORT" mode it does feel it has slightly more torque however the 981 in Sport mode feels ever so similar as the actual figures confirm
Ride in standard mode slightly softer than 981 but anything else it becomes a GT jiggly ride not pleasant at all on our roads
Clutch very nice & light - gear change despite what the journalist think is no shorter shifting than 981's so nothing lost or gained there
Bottom line for me was after an 75 minutes of motorways, country lanes, A & B roads at no time did it do anything that screamed OMG what a step up from the 981 but the far greater deficit for me was the total lack of a sports car sound track Porsche could have done much better imo and than the rear end styling is obviously a personal plus or minus
981 at circa £60k v 718 at circa £85k is hard to justify imo
georgedouglasdmw
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daro911 said:
That has made me feel much better for hardly using mine last year !!!
Will probably get shot down in flames for this, but reckon if that was a manual it would have been up for sale at £60k+ mark.
George
Brian I doubt it's been fully serviced but going forward the next owner could start its service history as with 302 miles only its certainly not been usedkitchens said:
Switching channels anyone wanting a 718 4L with PDK are in luck
[link=https://www.topgear.com/car-news/hurrah-porsches-40-flat-six-has-years-life-left-it]https://www.topgear.com/car-news/hurrah-porsches-40-flat-six-has-years-life-left-it[/link]
Yesterday we found out [link=https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/analysis-sales-petrol-diesel-and-hybrid-cars-stop-2035]the UK will ban sales of petrol-powered cars[/link] by 2035. And yesterday, Porsche confirmed to Top Gear that the 4.0-litre naturally aspirated flat-six it’s just slotted into the Boxster and Cayman could live on for at least half of the time between now and internal combustion’s season finale. Is it bad if we celebrate?
In one of the nicer U-turns in recent motoring history, Porsche has listened to critics of its four-cylinder turbo engine created for the 718 and swapped it for a detuned version of the Cayman GT4’s flat-six, in GTS-badged Boxsters and Caymans, at least. And chatting to Frank-Steffen Walliser and Sebastian Oettel – the men in charge of the 718 and 911 product lines – it appears it’s not a fleeting special edition, despite previous reports that the Boxster and Cayman would soon be going electric.
This generation of 718 will live on until at least 2024, Oettel confirmed, and the 4.0 will stick around as long as regulations allow it. That buys it until at least the middle of this decade, but it could continue on past 2026 if they’re really canny. Porsche must be confident its increasing range of EVs and hybrids can help negate the flat-six’s effect on meeting ever stringent range-average CO2 outputs.
So when will the electric Cayman come? Porsche, like a lot of its rivals, still isn’t certain on when to play its hand in this market and Oettel reckons we can expect an electrified 911 before a 718.
In other news, where the GTS 4.0 launches with a six-speed manual transmission only, a PDK auto will join the range by early 2021, when it’ll immediately dominate sales. But perhaps more surprisingly, the seven-speed paddleshifter will be optional on the [link=https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/porsche/718-cayman-gt4]Cayman GT4[/link] and [link=https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/porsche/718-spyder]718 Spyder[/link] – cars thus far sold vehemently as manuals – at the same time. [link=https://www.topgear.com/car-news/list/top-gears-top-9-porsche-u-turn-edition]Porsche really isn’t afraid of changing its mind, huh?[/link]
[link=https://www.carthrottle.com/post/porsches-gt4gts-na-flat-six-will-stick-around-until-2026/]https://www.carthrottle.com/post/porsches-gt4gts-na-flat-six-will-stick-around-until-2026/[/link]
turbo jonny
PCGB Member
The 987 Spyder looks cheap to me if its been serviced. I suspect that it will be a £100k car in a few years. Not that i agree with keeping them as collectors pieces but at least there are plenty to go round, for the time being.
Being a nosey person made the call. and spoke to the sales very helpful but said I probably knew more about the car than them
May 2010 2 owner last MOT May 2013 last serviced in May 2012 intern service at Newcastle with 156 miles .So no other service done to date .NOTE non switchable exhaust black tips in photo not sure if has Air con suspect not, just climate .It is SOR .The assumption is who ever buys it needs a major service and all fluids changed to get it up to 100% standard if at that point if (a big if) you decide to put a warranty on it you will need a 111point check it would fail on the first hurdle tyres are over 6 year old so would need replaced ,to get it back to 100% recon a cost off approx. £3500 will need to be spent . I am sure I have seen this car on this forum will see if I can look back the old photos.
made the call. and spoke to the sales very helpful but said I probably knew more about the car than themMay 2010 2 owner last MOT May 2013 last serviced in May 2012 intern service at Newcastle with 156 miles .So no other service done to date .NOTE non switchable exhaust black tips in photo not sure if has Air con suspect not, just climate .It is SOR .The assumption is who ever buys it needs a major service and all fluids changed to get it up to 100% standard if at that point if (a big if) you decide to put a warranty on it you will need a 111point check it would fail on the first hurdle tyres are over 6 year old so would need replaced ,to get it back to 100% recon a cost off approx. £3500 will need to be spent . I am sure I have seen this car on this forum will see if I can look back the old photos.
georgedouglasdmw
New member
kitchens said:Being a nosey person
Problem with buying a car with such low mileage is that it essentially has to stay a collectors car/piece of automotive art. As soon as you start using it, you may have well bought a higher mileage car as you lose that upfront cost for such a low mileage.
Good friend had the same issue with a Ducati 996R with a couple of 100 miles on it. As he bought it with such low mileage, he got hung up on the mileage and never used it. So it just sat in the garage on a trickle charge as a lovely garage ornament. Eventually sold it as he got annoyed about not using it due to the mileage.
See this car the same way - if you have the funds for automotive art then its the perfect car for someone. However if you want something to use, plenty of usable low mileage Spyders out there.
George
Andrew Killington
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98kdaro911 said:This could prove a hard example to sell at List Price IMO [
At least the PC selling isn't being greedy
[link=https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Spyder-140047]https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Spyder-140...[/link]
, that is taking the proverbial.A flipper taking what , around 10k plus ?
really saddens me.
SpyderDavid
Member
I agree - a very individual spec to try and flip for list never mind a premium, perhaps a change of circumstance? Either that or poorly judged. Quite like the roof but not the inside or the seats.daro911 said:This could prove a hard example to sell at List Price IMO [
At least the PC selling isn't being greedy
[link=https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Spyder-140047]https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Spyder-140...[/link]
Sorry that example is not for me ...its terrible inside is a mess and no black cars for me .Thought all this flipping had been outlawed by PORSCHE dealers unless its to their benefit that is .Do not think I will pursue any new models ,given I sold the 981 after 3 years no point in getting back into an almost identical model at £20K extra, if tempted will defo wait on PDK model .
[link=https://youtu.be/oFeoGx2G7IM]https://youtu.be/oFeoGx2G7IM[/link]
I would say this is a very accurate review but the one thing that's not correct IMO in this video is the exhaust sound as recorded isn't like that inside the car its far more muted very one tone "bassy" and no pops & crackles on the downshifts A massive amount of the 3.8 engines character is missing especially below 5k rpm where switching PSE on off on hardly makes much difference and near the max revs the sound track kicks in but is so so muted compared to 981 and that was with roof off The switch from 6 cylinders to 3 on a trailing throttle is annoying to the point where I had to switch the stop / start off to cut that out too. I have never turned stop/start off in 13 years of it being on my daily drivers so its a technology I don't usually mind at all but the way the 718 switches from 6 to 3 is not that pleasant and definitely noticeable to the point of being annoying Steering feel gear change and clutch as described is exactly what I experienced on my 75 minutes test drive and the ride in standard mode felt softer than the 981's which was appreciated on our far from smooth roads especially as the grip and handling were fantastic in the newbie I would add that the steering feel & extra weight on the 981 version is my preferred choice out of the 2 Spyders despite many thinking because the GT department developed this car the steering would automatically be an improvement over the older car which even according to my PEC instructor was how he felt about the new set up too Overall as usual from Porsche a step on but on the minus side is the step up in list price which no longer includes buckets and imo a massive chunk of character removed by the new very muted sound track so much so that when I got back into my daily driver Mini JCW and headed for home the first thing that struck me was how "loud" my Mini sounded and I have never considered the standard factory exhaust on that car to be anything but a nice muted background tone
I would say this is a very accurate review but the one thing that's not correct IMO in this video is the exhaust sound as recorded isn't like that inside the car its far more muted very one tone "bassy" and no pops & crackles on the downshifts A massive amount of the 3.8 engines character is missing especially below 5k rpm where switching PSE on off on hardly makes much difference and near the max revs the sound track kicks in but is so so muted compared to 981 and that was with roof off The switch from 6 cylinders to 3 on a trailing throttle is annoying to the point where I had to switch the stop / start off to cut that out too. I have never turned stop/start off in 13 years of it being on my daily drivers so its a technology I don't usually mind at all but the way the 718 switches from 6 to 3 is not that pleasant and definitely noticeable to the point of being annoying Steering feel gear change and clutch as described is exactly what I experienced on my 75 minutes test drive and the ride in standard mode felt softer than the 981's which was appreciated on our far from smooth roads especially as the grip and handling were fantastic in the newbie I would add that the steering feel & extra weight on the 981 version is my preferred choice out of the 2 Spyders despite many thinking because the GT department developed this car the steering would automatically be an improvement over the older car which even according to my PEC instructor was how he felt about the new set up too Overall as usual from Porsche a step on but on the minus side is the step up in list price which no longer includes buckets and imo a massive chunk of character removed by the new very muted sound track so much so that when I got back into my daily driver Mini JCW and headed for home the first thing that struck me was how "loud" my Mini sounded and I have never considered the standard factory exhaust on that car to be anything but a nice muted background tone
Andrew Killington
New member
Nice review Robert, from someone who has driven the car and has the 981 for direct comparison
SpyderDavid
Member
Interesting point of reference on the exhaust - I’ve also had a Mini JCW since last September and I agree that it’s far from loud inside the car.daro911 said:[link=https://youtu.be/oFeoGx2G7IM]https://youtu.be/oFeoGx2G7IM[/link]
I would say this is a very accurate review but the one thing that's not correct IMO in this video is the exhaust sound as recorded isn't like that inside the car its far more muted very one tone "bassy" and no pops & crackles on the downshifts A massive amount of the 3.8 engines character is missing especially below 5k rpm where switching PSE on off on hardly makes much difference and near the max revs the sound track kicks in but is so so muted compared to 981 and that was with roof off The switch from 6 cylinders to 3 on a trailing throttle is annoying to the point where I had to switch the stop / start off to cut that out too. I have never turned stop/start off in 13 years of it being on my daily drivers so its a technology I don't usually mind at all but the way the 718 switches from 6 to 3 is not that pleasant and definitely noticeable to the point of being annoying Steering feel gear change and clutch as described is exactly what I experienced on my 75 minutes test drive and the ride in standard mode felt softer than the 981's which was appreciated on our far from smooth roads especially as the grip and handling were fantastic in the newbie I would add that the steering feel & extra weight on the 981 version is my preferred choice out of the 2 Spyders despite many thinking because the GT department developed this car the steering would automatically be an improvement over the older car which even according to my PEC instructor was how he felt about the new set up too Overall as usual from Porsche a step on but on the minus side is the step up in list price which no longer includes buckets and imo a massive chunk of character removed by the new very muted sound track so much so that when I got back into my daily driver Mini JCW and headed for home the first thing that struck me was how "loud" my Mini sounded and I have never considered the standard factory exhaust on that car to be anything but a nice muted background tone
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