Cayman GT4: Where are we up to now?

[oliver]

I spec'd a GT4 on the configurator and £85k is easily achievable.

But premiums aren't unique to the GT4 - GT3s, RSs, 911R, Ferraris, Maclarens.... and what about some of the older Porsches - huge price elevations.

If buyers want a particular model, and it's in high demand, then the market dictates the price. That's nothing new.

 

[Nicks]

Got a telly on the other wall,

oh and the CS.

Perfect!

[]

Nick

 

[eastwood1875]

Fridge in their too?

Fold down bed and who needs a house?



Darren

 

[Motorhead]

I spec'd a GT4 on the configurator and £85k is easily achievable.

But premiums aren't unique to the GT4 - GT3s, RSs, 911R, Ferraris, Maclarens.... and what about some of the older Porsches - huge price elevations.

If buyers want a particular model, and it's in high demand, then the market dictates the price. That's nothing new.

£85k..! £72k would get you a very nicely spec'd car Mike - metallic paint, leather (including steering column), l/w bucket seats, PDLS, cruise control, auto dimming mirrors/auto wipers, climate control, audio system CDR plus (for the digital radio), plus the 4 freebies. Unless you go tick-crazy on the Configurator, what more do you need?

Jeff

 

[oliver]

PCCBs - obviously, PTS might be nice, I'm sure there were other bits. From what I can tell, it is a very special car, so I'd want it done properly []

Oddly, Porsche seem to have under-priced the GT3, 911R and GT4, which has exacerbated demand. They could have easily asked a bit more at list on all of these. They would still have been popular, but would have thinned the market a bit and added to their own coffers.

 

[matthewlatter]

I looked at it being worth a bit when built so had what I wanted within reason.

4.5k for a replacement PCB disc and thats for one disc put me off and I can honestly say that the GT4 seems over braked on first impressions with standard steels.

 

[MrDemon]

£85k does seem a bit crazy, I speced it how I wanted and had every thing for a £75k car, I know a lot of people wanted to keep the car under £70k if I added PTS and PCCB on top it would still not have been £85k !

I would say I have a lot of spec imo for £10k of options it can get out of hand so £75k was my limit.

spending 30% of the cars value on extras was never an option for me.

 

[oliver]

My hypothetical spec came to £83,367, in GT Silver, with Sports buckets and no CS pack. I can definitely recommend the pccbs though.

 

[CarreraGTS]

Saying a GT4 is £65k and using that as the "overs" benchmark is crazy - most cars are between £75 & 80K so a car that is advertised at £100k but sells for £97k is only making at the most £20k overs - when you compare what you get for that £100k the GT4 is still a bargain ... 3 Year Warranty / New Car / PCOTY / GT Porsche / nothing else around £100k gets you that kind of metal and Pedigree ... I actually think that once all cars are delivered in July and the Flipping market disappears they will actually go up in price again - at least until the Gen2 GT4 comes out, but that will probably be PDK so in that case the Gen1 cars will go up in value again ... I mean Gen1 GT3's are now £80k with expensive upkeep, 996 interior, poor seats, 996 looks - so for an extra £15k you can have a brand new GT car with 918 seats, amazing looks and curb appeal, zero maintenance costs etc etc ... This is my logic anyway ... Right now if you can't get a GT4 then i would buy in this order 997 GTs Manual / 997 Gts PDK / Gen1 997 GT3 / Cayman R / Spyder / 991 GTS Manual / Cayman GTS but for an investment at £80k i would go Aston martin Vanquish ... Or for £115k go for a Mclaren but expect huge running costs but masses of noise, speed and curb appeal ...

 

[MrDemon]

there has been a few talks on PCCB and it seems a pointless buy imo on this car.

on the older car you only got small brakes so upgrading to PCCB was a good thing if you wanted better brakes.

On the GT4 it has the same calipers, with the advantage to use what pad you like and changing out cheaper iron disks once worn.

It also allows you to fit 18" or 19" wheels for track like the race car (which has even smaller brakes and does fine) the 420CCB disk does not allow a smaller wheel fitment.

IT has also come out that you get more down force with smaller disks , which is news on me but good news all the same and again the race car has smaller disks !

One thing the GT4 don't need is better brakes, the iron 380mm 6 pots do the job and then some.

so a "definitely recommend" is not what I would say as all it leaves you with is a £5k cost up front or 8% of the cars value, a set of brakes you really have to look after ie Major cool down laps 2 not 1 and major replacement costs, added to which to be safe Porsche recommend changing PCCB pads 1/2 worn and PCCB pads are also very expensive. You also have to be on best garage duty when taking a wheel off to avoid chipping the disk, again not that easy as the wheel to disk gap is small.

I think PCCB are just a hassle all round only fit for a road only car if you plan to keep it 70k miles as wear for the road only will be minimum.

As the GT4 is based on a drive to track and have fun car my advice would be to say "I can definitely NOT recommend the pccbs" unless you want the cool look and less dust

 

[MrDemon]

Saying a GT4 is £65k and using that as the "overs" benchmark is crazy -

pet hate of mind quiting base price, mags and stats do that for resale also hence why Porsche comes out top of the charts with 50% value after 3 years over other cars which can get you a low 30% back.

they forget people add £20k of options !!!

The GT4 was a right con on price as you had to pay for bucket seats which were free on the R and on the Spyder, so this headline £65k price does suck money balls lol but is the price quoted every where/time.

when I bought my TTRS new or my ST3 I added NOTHING !!! ZERO options both cars were fully loaded !!! those cars got a raping for price esp the TTRS, but it had xenons, full leathers etc etc as standard.

MY 17k ST3 has so many toys far more than my GT4 all for free and people say the GT4 is a bargain !!!

Porsche do the options thing very well to give a 3 year high value return over base price and to make EVEN more money.

I cannot get the bargain thing myself, I did not hand over a cheque for £75k and walk out thinking I had a bargain shopping day lol

I walked out thinking "shit I spent £800 changing the stitching from silver to yellow" wtf !!!

being a tight git I don't spend £800 very often !!! PTS was £2.8k for a colour change etc etc the list of rip offs goes on and on, not a bargain in my eyes. could not even get a discount and had to pay RRP 1st time ever !!!

lets not even talk about PCM or a Bluetooth connection price !!!! (BT should be a legal requirement imo)

I know people say well what can you get for £100k, but look at my ST3 for £17k and say what can you get for £17k a car which always does well in EVO, I now look at luxury cars at £50k and think they are cheap having spent £75k on a Cayman !

I could even buy 6 ST3 or 3 Focus RS for the same price to put these high prices into perspective what people say is a bargain lol !! or one can say a speced up GT4 is 3x the gross national wage !! or 7x the min wage !!!

 

[matthewlatter]

Its a Bargain when you bought a 107k 911 before.

 

[MrDemon]

the only GT3 I have owned is a 2nd hand one at £38k when prices were as they should be and we could enjoy changing cars more often.

 

[flat6]

It's a interesting point MrD raises about whether it is relatively a bargain. I agree with MrD certainly in respect of the follow up reply that it's a bargain in comparison to a 911. I think that could say a lot about who feels its a bargain and who does not. If someone has a 911 budget of over £100K then yes it may be the cheapest Porsche they've bought in a while.

For someone who's a hard core Cayman fan, Porsche's first offering of a bit more performance in a Cayman body isn't cheap.

As I said when this car was launched. It's a great car but Porsche was cautious not to let a readily available Cayman take it to the 911. They've only dared do it in a very limited availability model - a brilliant one, but not many people can get hold of one to start a trend of buying Caymans instead of 911s. For me, what's of more interest than whether they do a GT4 Gen 2 is whether they'll do a model based on the GT4 that is more readily available. So, it might use the same engine (or whatever replaces the 3.8 in the next GT4) but is not the full on track focused vehicle and made available to more Cayman fans. A bit like how the 911R is not has hard core as the GT3 RS but not like the 911R in that that car is even more exclusive and expensive than the GT3 RS / GT3 on which its based and also maybe still too hard core to really differentiate itself.

 

[MrDemon]

I find it odd people will pay £25k on options and still call it a bargain lol

GT4 at OPC sites is 1, what's a foot ? as there are 6 991 RS at £100k overs !!!

why have only the GT4's been taken off the market ?

 

[CarreraGTS]

Ok - I am starting to get the whole Gt4 Cayman thing ... 3rd drive out today and 350 miles under the belt! I am feeling less nervous now and letting her off the leash a bit and may i say, what a car!

The whole package is incredible, the way the car pitches into a corner as though the nose is sniffing for the racing line; like an obedient Spaniel .. The rifle gear shifts, like your loading a pump action shot gun before you let your right foot pull the trigger and another blistering salvo of flat 6 echoes off the hedgerow! The natural 10 to 2 position on the feathery weighted steering wheel, the way the dampers soak up 4 dimensional undulations that had the 997 GTS fidgeting for grip - the crackle of the over run, the pinking of the engine and smell of tyres when you park up ... The way you don't need to hammer the car or rev its tail off or break the land speed record to get a thrill from driving it ... I now totally get why it beat the Ferrari, Lambo, Mclaren and GT3 RS - its just the most perfect blend of everything anyone would want out of a road car that can also Lap "The Ring" in record time ... Andreus P is a genius and he has given us normal mortals a taste of Racing heaven and in our dreams what it must feel like to be Steve Mcqueen .... Awesome!

 

[MrDemon]

I am close to selling mine but keep reading EVO and wonder what on earth am I missing lol or cry I don't know.

I am longing to pick up my Spyder this week end for some old fashion noise a bit of real feeling to it all and a good old hammering upto red line

 

[Sandy59]

there has been a few talks on PCCB and it seems a pointless buy imo on this car.

on the older car you only got small brakes so upgrading to PCCB was a good thing if you wanted better brakes.

On the GT4 it has the same calipers, with the advantage to use what pad you like and changing out cheaper iron disks once worn.

It also allows you to fit 18" or 19" wheels for track like the race car (which has even smaller brakes and does fine) the 420CCB disk does not allow a smaller wheel fitment.

IT has also come out that you get more down force with smaller disks , which is news on me but good news all the same and again the race car has smaller disks !

One thing the GT4 don't need is better brakes, the iron 380mm 6 pots do the job and then some.

so a "definitely recommend" is not what I would say as all it leaves you with is a £5k cost up front or 8% of the cars value, a set of brakes you really have to look after ie Major cool down laps 2 not 1 and major replacement costs, added to which to be safe Porsche recommend changing PCCB pads 1/2 worn and PCCB pads are also very expensive. You also have to be on best garage duty when taking a wheel off to avoid chipping the disk, again not that easy as the wheel to disk gap is small.

I think PCCB are just a hassle all round only fit for a road only car if you plan to keep it 70k miles as wear for the road only will be minimum.

As the GT4 is based on a drive to track and have fun car my advice would be to say "I can definitely NOT recommend the pccbs" unless you want the cool look and less dust

Can't disagree really with the above comments.

I do really like PCCBs and one reason I used to prefer them was initial bite and feel over previous steels I'd had. However I had steels on a previous 991 GT3 and was very impressed with the feel of these, and thought they actually felt every bit as good as PCCBs. I went with steels on my GT4 as I do plan a few track days as well, and as Mr D says they are basically overkill and also the same ones the GT3 had.

However for road use only I'd probably have gone with PCCBs to be honest, but the main reasons for that would be looks and much reduced brake dust if I'm honest.

I'm still not convinced these PCCBs are so good on track as regards feel etc, I've never been impressed with any Porsche Experience car I've driven with them to date, most have had a bit of a numb feel with no sharp bite from what I remember, definitely different from my own previous road car PCCBs.

So for me personally it's steel for track use, and PCCBs for road use only.

 

[Steve Brookes]

I am close to selling mine but keep reading EVO and wonder what on earth am I missing lol or cry I don't know.

I am longing to pick up my Spyder this week end for some old fashion noise a bit of real feeling to it all and a good old hammering upto red line

Don't sell it until we've been to Anglesey!

 

[CarreraGTS]

I really wanted to Spec PCCB but Mr D and my OPC talked me out of it and to be honest i regretted that decision from build lock out time - but now after driving with steels, i am totally happy, they have a better feel than the PPC PCCB cars discs and for sure less noise and to be honest at my level of driving do all the stopping i need plus the guards red callipers go with the car and the satin black wheels hide the brake dust anyway ... Result!