Cayman GT4: Where are we up to now?

[Rotorhead]

there has been a few talks on PCCB and it seems a pointless buy imo on this car........

"I can definitely NOT recommend the pccbs" unless you want the cool look and less dust

The 'oracle' has spoken. Mr D is an expert, and his advice is held in high esteem on all forums - Ceramic brakes are for fools! Hold your head in shame if you have paid money for them.

Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Pagani, Maclaren...... please take note and stop trying to tell us otherwise, and likewise the motoring press. Mr D knows best. Long live Mr D!

 

[MrDemon]

The 'oracle' has spoken. Mr D is an expert, and his advice is held in high esteem on all forums - Ceramic brakes are for fools! Hold your head in shame if you have paid money for them.

Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Pagani, Maclaren...... please take note and stop trying to tell us otherwise, and likewise the motoring press. Mr D knows best. Long live Mr D!

I backed up my thoughts on why I think PCCB were not worth it on the GT4. it has nothing to do with Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Pagani, Maclaren, it had to do what was fitted to the GT4 as stock items and what the GT cars stand for, ie track use.

plus what % of the cars value it was to add them + other things.

I run a PCCB car and they are worth it on the 987.2 platform as the oem brakes are very small, on a £200k car I would expect them on the car as stock.

You did not make a claim for why you would def recommend them, it was just a blind comment ! , it's a simple concept to grasp to back up what is said !

Instead of making it personal with some bullshit 14 year olds remark which makes you look stupid ! post why you think you recommend them to balance out what I think and we can have a car debate over a slagging match !

If you want to delete the bullshit post which is on a personal level over a car level i'll delete the last line

 

[ChrisW]

Another ruined forum topic .... ?

Geez, some do some don't.

Mr D can't even decide what the price of a decently specced GT4 should be.

His is perfect --- price as stated above --- but from post to post the extras increase through £20k to £25k .. according to the angle of the argument.

Black is white and white is really grey in the right (his) light ? ... tedium ad infinitum.

Yes my car has PCCB's. What a fool am I ? I when I wear them out, a refurbished set will come in at somewhere around £5k. In the meantime I have all the advantages that MrD doesn't see so in his eyes, there is no sense in me expressing a view.

Sorry MrD, but you must have far too much time on your hands. In my view only, of course.

 

[vitesse]

Careful,steady there Chris-is it going to be brake discs at dawn or not.All I can say is that when I had those wonderful laps with you last November ,there seemed to be absolutely nothing wrong with your brakes ( that is for the brief but important time you needed to use them!)

I still can't grasp why some people still refer to cast iron brake discs as "steels"-they never have been cast in steel whatever the alloy available

 

[CarreraGTS]

Wow ... Mr D is taking some shellacking ... I wonder why ..?

 

[Motorhead]

I wish I had a pound for every time I've seen the cast iron* vs ceramic brake disc issue debated on this and other forums..!

Unfortunately I've neither driven nor driven in a car fitted with ceramic brakes - so can't comment on their pros and cons - but it's clear that the proponents have strong views on the matter and it's good to hear these views aired on here together with those that harbour a different view.

However I think it's time to move on, and for those who've not seen it, I'd like to point out that Ralph has written an interesting entry in the Modified Register section of the latest PP entitled Tuning 981 Boxsters and Cayman models. Well worth a read.

Now that the weather is improving (?) and the track day season is ramping up, let's hope you GT4 owners will have more opportunities to exercise fully your cars after the running-in period.

Jeff

* Couldn't agree more Colin

 

[Rotorhead]

Now that the weather is improving (?) and the track day season is ramping up, let's hope you GT4 owners will have more opportunities to exercise fully your cars after the running-in period.

Out of interest, do those of you with GT4s have a spare set of wheels/tyres for track use, and if so what did you go for? Will it take 19"s?

 

[Motorhead]

Mike,

This has been discussed on the US forums for some time. Apparently 19" wheels are the smallest that will fit over the cast iron brakes, but I'm not sure about the PCCBs (here we go again..!)

Here are some sample posts, but there are many more if you want to check:

[link=http://rennlist.com/forums/gt4/886037-19-inch-wheels-on-the-gt4-for-track-use-2.html]http://rennlist.com/forum...4-for-track-use-2.html[/link]

[link=http://www.planet-9.com/981-cayman-gt4-chat/115648-19-forgeline-ga1r-gt4-competition-motorsport-com.html]http://www.planet-9.com/981-cayman-gt4-chat/115648-19-forgeline-ga1r-gt4-competition-motorsport-com.html[/link]

Jeff

 

[spyderman]

The race car has 18" wheels. How do they manage that over the brakes?

 

[ralphmusic]

Cup Car PFC calipers are fitted to Clubsport which allow 18" wheels to be used

 

[spyderman]

So its the callipers that are the issue, not the diameter of the discs. I get you. In other words they've used brakes that are not used on the road-going version...

 

[ChrisW]

Now that the weather is improving (?) and the track day season is ramping up, let's hope you GT4 owners will have more opportunities to exercise fully your cars after the running-in period.

Out of interest, do those of you with GT4s have a spare set of wheels/tyres for track use, and if so what did you go for? Will it take 19"s?

MrD offers very useful information and my only argument with him is that this Forum at least should be inclusive of all ideas. There is no hierarchy to good information ... it comes form so many sources and everybody is free to try and learn from the experience gained.... and best match it to their own circumstances.

Hence this forum would in my view be a poorer place without anybody, but, everybody should be heard.

For me, my only option was a spare set of 20" wheels to fit over the humungous PCCB discs and callipers.

I now have two sets of tyres ... the original PSCups and a set of PSS's which I used at Cadwell and Outon Park ... with fabulous results.

As for the PCCB's ... as many as possible will share my experience and if I do have a problem, Porsche / Sicom will share it with all of us

Either way, the learning is in the journey.

MrD ... in the cold light of another day, whenever you are ready, for me --- welcome back.

I would love to do the PCCB Knock Hill next ... then Anglesey ... but other suggestions ?

Chris

 

[ChrisW]

So its the callipers that are the issue, not the diameter of the discs. I get you. In other words they've used brakes that are not used on the road-going version...

And as MrD says, reduces the gearing though the first six of the PDKbox should't really require this ....

If only the Clubsport had been the price originally mooted instead of six figures, plus vat ...

 

[ralphmusic]

Clubsport for sale at €173,500 on mobile.de

[link=http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=223773644]http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=223773644[/link]

 

[ralphmusic]

And as MrD says, reduces the gearing though the first six of the PDKbox should't really require this ....

A rennlist thread on this and other GT4 mods..

[link=http://rennlist.com/forums/gt4/914903-gt4-development-thread-deman-motorsport.html]http://rennlist.com/forums/gt4/914903-gt4-development-thread-deman-motorsport.html[/link]

DeMan Racing ran a self built GT4 at Daytona which was a manual S fitted with GT4 suspension, engine, and brakes. They wanted to strip out the electronics inc ABS code that comes with the Clubsport and run a manual box to reach higher top speeds than the PDK equipped Clubsports could achieve with their gearing. All in other rennlist threads...

 

[spyderman]

Clubsport for sale at €173,500 on mobile.de

Who would be daft enough to pay that. Give it six months and I bet you could get one for under €100k.

 

[Brian_Innes]

Firstly, can I say how much I enjoyed reading the recent cast iron v ceramic brakes debate. Nothing like a good ding-dong to liven up the thread. I had to laugh at the "brake discs at dawn" post. Brilliant!

Secondly, I am following the posts on fitting 19" wheels to the GT4 with a vested interest.

I may well have a spare set of 19" wheels available soon as my beloved CR is currently for sale at my local OPC.

If my car is successfully sold, I will have a newly refurbished set of 4 - 19" original Cayman R Spyder alloys in Porsche silver for sale. The rims have never had tyres fitted since the £600+ refurbishment. I also have a brand new set of 4 - Michelin Cup 2 tyres 235x35x19, 265x35x19 to suit the 19" Spyder alloys. The tyres have never been fitted to the rims and are absolutely unused.

This combination may suit a GT4 owner looking for a spare set of track day wheels, cast iron brakes only, (!) provided the silver coloured wheels suits their car.

I am currently holding back from posting these wheels and tyres for sale on the forum until after my CR is sold. If I have to take the car back unsold, then I'll be using the spare set of wheels and tyres for track days already booked.

I thought it would do no harm to let it be known on this GT4 thread, that the above wheels and tyres may become available for sale soon. They are definitely worth waiting for as this is a one-off opportunity to acquire a mint set of Spyder alloy wheels with new MPS Cup 2 tyres. These items don't come up for sale very often.

They shall be priced accordingly, but at a useful saving from new costs.

Watch out for my advert, hopefully soon.

Brian

 

[MrDemon]

I am very open with my comments, but I like people to back up theirs ;-) I am all ears to good info.

I am VERY happy if people just say "I got PCCB because I like them" or "I hate dust" or "they look the bomb" that's a good enough reason 100% no come back, the issue I have is when people recommend items with ZERO reason why !

Also there is no "right GT4 price" if you bought new and happy with what you speced no one can argue, again a moot issue ! of course mine is right for me I speced it lol ...

No one is a fool or calling any body a fool !, we should all debate about cars only, not make it personal imo.

My org view on PCCB quoted at the top of the last page is just my view and a fair one imo and points no fingers ! , it's neither right or wrong, I voice out why I went IRON disks, but it is odd it upsets people enough to post personal crap !

On another note I have bought another Cayman R, I think (THIS IS NOT A FACT !!! ) the R is a better road car with more feel and more fun at normal speeds which you can use more of the time, So back in the R club for me.

A car which WOULD benefit the PCCB option IMHO of course !!!

 

[Steve Brookes]

I may well have a spare set of 19" wheels available soon as my beloved CR is currently for sale at my local OPC.

If my car is successfully sold, I will have a newly refurbished set of 4 - 19" original Cayman R Spyder alloys in Porsche silver for sale. The rims have never had tyres fitted since the £600+ refurbishment. I also have a brand new set of 4 - Michelin Cup 2 tyres 235x35x19, 265x35x19 to suit the 19" Spyder alloys. The tyres have never been fitted to the rims and are absolutely unused.

This combination may suit a GT4 owner looking for a spare set of track day wheels, cast iron brakes only, (!) provided the silver coloured wheels suits their car.

Brian, don't discount us Cayman R owners that are looking for a second set of track wheels! However, it sounds to me like they will be as good as my original spyder wheels and therefore too good for the track! Personally I'm looking at Oz or BBS options which come out at around £1500 for a new set plus Mich super sports as good compromise for road and track (I'm fed up of sitting out wet track days for fear of the R compound tyres like cup 2 and R888 not giving enough grip in the wet).

BTW the way I guess your R is the one at Aberdeen OPC? I can't help thinking that it would sell very quickly as a private sale without the OPC commission on it.

 

[matthewlatter]

Looks dated imo