Cayman GT4: Where are we up to now?

[ralphmusic]

Not sure which GT3 you refer to but 991 GT3 peak torque at 6250rpm is 440Nm = 326lbft. The 997 385hp torque was 420Nm or 310lbft at 4400rpm. I don't really understand all the doubts expressed by posters on several forums, if you want buy it you are unlikely to lose in the short-term if you don't like it. There are major good changes to key components and I think the only fundamental negative is going to a larger engine, eschewing the characteristics of a higher reving engine, and no PDK option of course, just my 2p.

 

[CarreraGTS]

I am loving the debate ... You guys seriously know your stuff .... However, a Porsche Cayman for the same money as a Ferrari 430 is crazy, even spoken as a Porsche owner [8D] heres my thoughts - GT4 ... Going to be the ultimate Porsche Driving Machine, not exactly fast but exciting in every way, shape and form ... Question is: Most people who love Racing Porsches with a £75k plus budget will go GT3 or as a daily driver a Turbo or indeed with £60k a GTS ... So, this leaves the way clear for the Cayman GTS to depreciate below £50k and become everyones favourite sub £50 Grand Sports Car and Weekend 2nd car Toy .... What do you think, i have had a glass of wine but does my theory carry any water ... Probably not! Hahah Anyway - will put my deposit down for the GT4 tomorrow ... Just need to confirm numbers and if an RS is imminent - can you imagine what that would be like .... Whey Hey! []

 

[MrDemon]

I wanted a f430 but now changed my mind after a go in a 458 the F430 is pants lol added to that a few week points and 3k to service, So I have wrote the F430 off Only 2 cars which interest me sub 100k are the R8 V10 plus and the 997.2 GT3 but both of those are over 90k I have just speced the GT4 all in with loads of nice bits for £76k for a brand new car. Fav car is the 458S and my little Spyder ;-)

 

[Chris_in_the_UK]

If people are viewing this as an investment then....meh. For me the GT4 is superb - for sure it's not a 911 and this is the biggest thing it has going for it!. I had a little chortle at some of the comment on other forums - one theme being 'it's not a 911' - hilarious. Of course it's not, neither is the 991 range when you stand it next to the old stuff, in name only and general design. One of these days 'the king is dead, long live the king' will be accepted. For those who take off the rose tinted specs. the Cayman has always been the true drivers car....... I cannot wait to see what the world thinks!.

 

[CarreraGTS]

Interesting Chris I agree, the Cayman R/GTS/GT4 are the love child of the great 911's ... However i would argue that 50 years heritage will not give your argument as much gravitas as it deserves ... Ultimately the name 911 means everything to Porsche otherwise they would have scrapped the rear engine years ago .... Branding is an important part of any ownership experience - however i do feel with the GT4, Porsche have come up with what could be the car to change opinion from the beloved 911 .... Although, lets not forget that the 911 is the "do anything, go anywhere" sports car that ticks every box and it always has ... this is the benchmark that Porsche set, so many years ago .... My Gut feeling tells me this car will set the motoring press into a Frenzy, BUT and a big BUT .... Is it £80k worth of Pedigree .... and can you flip it for £85to£90K - I doubt it .... I still think £80k and you will buy a Gen2 GT3 all day long and not regret it for a second! Unless that is you buy a Ferrari, just out of interest Ferrari are setting the pace in Testing in Jerez .... [>:] Time will tell my friends .... But What a car .... My Brain hurts trying to make a decision ... Lol

ORIGINAL: Chris_in_the_UK If people are viewing this as an investment then....meh. For me the GT4 is superb - for sure it's not a 911 and this is the biggest thing it has going for it!. I had a little chortle at some of the comment on other forums - one theme being 'it's not a 911' - hilarious. Of course it's not, neither is the 991 range when you stand it next to the old stuff, in name only and general design. One of these days 'the king is dead, long live the king' will be accepted. For those who take off the rose tinted specs. the Cayman has always been the true drivers car....... I cannot wait to see what the world thinks!.

 

[Chris_in_the_UK]

Hmmm. Perhaps. Pedigree for me is an ever thinner link - I owned one of the original Quattro's many years ago, and not so long ago, an A5 variant of the same. Was it the same pedigree? Loosely it was but it was fundamentally a different car in so many ways - it would whoop the arse of it's earlier relative on a bad day for a whole heap of reasons in just the same way as the old 911's are usurped by the new stuff. I guess this is more about folks having either passion about heritage and almost being 'esoteric', against being 'engaged' in the whole experience.

 

[CarreraGTS]

Have you guys seen this link on Youtube yet - My goodness ... I think this could be the best car created for under £100k ... Aghhhh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGVWojMMeg4

 

[kitchens]

http://www.p-newsupdate.co.uk/2015-1/?dm_i=31V,35QS7,4IWUKI,BBJ2I,1 from Porsche GB

 

[Laurence Gibbs]

For those with LOI and considering spec. Please spec it in the same colour as the EVO vid. Add buckets and clubsport pack. That is all. Thanks[]

 

[Laurence Gibbs]

here you go. http://youtu.be/kn3rYKD54g8 enjoy[]

 

[Motorhead]

All this depressing talk about buying as an investment, selling slots, etc., makes me fear that this post is being hijacked by accountants and speculators from the 911 forums. As far as I can recall, such subjects have never been on the table for us regulars on the Cayman forum [you know who you are]. It's a car and will always cost you money, so if you want it and can afford it just lay your money down and enjoy what promises to be a great ride for a few years. If you're risk-averse, put your money in a 2-year bond where you're guaranteed a few percent interest. And please don't let us get dragged into the 911 vs Cayman or air-cooled vs water-cooled debates here. Jeff

 

[MrDemon]

done a new spec to save a bit of money but not really missing any thing car now at £73,940. GF hated silver, ANd I did think it needed more pop, I did not want flat white and I have seen the metallic white in the flesh and it's quite cool, would have wanted Gulf orange or mexcio blue mind you but not at £3k and a extra 6 month wait. if any one is interested. http://www.porsche.com/microsite/porsche-code/?c=/PGTLMNV0

 

[ralphmusic]

ORIGINAL: Motorhead All this depressing talk about buying as an investment, selling slots, etc., makes me fear that this post is being hijacked by accountants Jeff

Oi Jeff, I started as an accountant... and look what good it did me

 

[chrisH]

ORIGINAL: ralphmusic

ORIGINAL: Motorhead All this depressing talk about buying as an investment, selling slots, etc., makes me fear that this post is being hijacked by accountants Jeff

Oi Jeff, I started as an accountant... and look what good it did me

And you did have a 911GTS and now have a Cayman S []

 

[clubsport]

ORIGINAL: Motorhead And please don't let us get dragged into the 911 vs Cayman or air-cooled vs water-cooled debates here. Jeff

Are you serious? The GT4 is a huge step for the Cayman, it is certainly an interesting car and now has performance and a price point that has moved it into the realms of consideration of both air and water cooled 911 owners. I would be surprised if anyone on here has driven one yet and there are no road tests to consider, so a comparison with what has gone before is our only benchmark.

 

[Motorhead]

A very nice spec MrD. PDLS, cruise-control and auto-aircon are always a must have for me too, and it always annoys me that you have to pay extra for dipping mirrors on a car in the Cayman's price range. Also, I can't find parking sensors on the options list, unless I'm missing something. Jeff

 

[ralphmusic]

ORIGINAL: Motorhead Also, I can't find parking sensors on the options list, unless I'm missing something. Jeff

Same as GT3, with Motorsport cars you only back into hedges..

 

[CLIFFWILKINS]

Now gotta pay for buckets [] no cost option on the R No colours fitting a GT model Smallest spec possible i did was 68k being down to the bare bones and thats leaving some things out which i would have if money was no issue. 2 k for buckets now bumps the price up. GT4 starting price looks good but soon adds up. What with all the the average speed cameras and restrictions on our roads do i want to speed at least another 30k over my R which is plenty fast enough for a road car.[] (no cost option buckets)[][][] As its a road car for me i would have to give it serious thought but if the money was not an issue then yes why not. Now wheres that lotto ticket[8D] Cliff

 

[Motorhead]

ORIGINAL: clubsport

ORIGINAL: Motorhead And please don't let us get dragged into the 911 vs Cayman or air-cooled vs water-cooled debates here. Jeff

Are you serious? The GT4 is a huge step for the Cayman, it is certainly an interesting car and now has performance and a price point that has moved it into the realms of consideration of both air and water cooled 911 owners. I would be surprised if anyone on here has driven one yet and there are no road tests to consider, so a comparison with what has gone before is our only benchmark.

Fair enough Paul but I was really speaking in an historical context. I'd point out that there are a lot of purchasers out there already spec'ing their GTS Caymans beyond £70k, so there's always been a price overlap between the Cayman and Carrera ranges for anyone who's been interested, and the GTS is no slouch either compared with a base Carrera. But I can't really see the GT4 as a Carrera - or even a Carrera S - direct competitor. Although I'd expect interest from GT3 owners, I'm rather surprised if you're saying that owners of classic 911s [RS?] might be interested too. Potential converts? Excellent news..! We've touched on this point before but, with very limited availablity, I doubt that anyone will get a chance to drive before buying a GT4. I'm sure that the PEC Silverstone will get an early example in March, but that's probably about it. Jeff

 

[Steve Brookes]

ORIGINAL: Motorhead I'd point out that there are a lot of purchasers out there already spec'ing their GTS Caymans beyond £70k, so there's always been a price overlap between the Cayman and Carrera ranges for anyone who's been interested, and the GTS is no slouch either compared with a base Carrera. But I can't really see the GT4 as a Carrera - or even a Carrera S - direct competitor. Although I'd expect interest from GT3 owners, I'm rather surprised if you're saying that owners of classic 911s [RS?] might be interested too. Potential converts? Excellent news..!

Having been a 964 owner for over 7 years and a boxster owner previous to that, this is the first new Porsche that I'm excited about. The EVO interview with AP clearly shows that he is excited about it which I think bodes very well for the car. If I could afford one (I can't) I'd be speccing it to drive and keep. Not to invest in. So...can someone spec one in Guards Red with buckets and not much else and sell it to me in 2 or 3 years time. []