Hi Geoff, my current plan is to order my GT4, keep my GT3, then decide when the car arrives, which one to keep.... knowing I will not lose on either car. I know that doesn't help you..... sorry.... Charlie
Cayman GT4: Where are we up to now?
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dereksharpuk
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I was told something interesting today from a Sales Manager. Porsche GB policy is not to impose the £5000 deposit if estimated delivery is greater than 1 year. As someone said, refunds are a problem and in any case, the standard Porsche contract allows for return of deposit plus interest.
Derek I was told pretty much the same. Geoff
Charlie Spec with the buckets, sat nav, 1/2 cage and I would still be interested if you decide to sell Good luck Geoff
Loitered for long enough ... I had the first LOI for JCT600 Leeds, and true to their word they didn't ask for a deposit until Wednesday so they could place my order --- possibly for June delivery as a 2016 model year car. Yes I think the GT4 should be a 21st century 964RS --- small, mobile, tactile --- and ultimately if it all goes horribly wrong, insured and disposable in a way that a classic car should not be ! So, Lawrence and Steve and Paul ... Yellow, Club Sport, Buckets, PCCB (possibly an indulgence), Xenons, Cruise, Climate, Audio and Telephone, plus a few trimmings = GT3 - £25k + , and it's a small mid engined car ... a country lane scratcher. Maybe I will have it and run-in for Spa ? I have LOI's also for the GT4RS (particularly if there is a single marque race series or ??) ... and the new 988 .. the parallel project that Andreas was referring to ? This could be quite a journey --- the CR will be four years old in May --- and from new it will have cost less than a year's racing (on the cheap) !
Deposit Paid and name placed on list previously by my OPC friend - There are 15 deposits paid from people after me on the list but don't know how many are in front of me, but salesman says i will get one around winter time this year all being well. He says that the demand is off the charts and that the OPC has taken over 50 LOI and deposits to keep there place on list - i guess everyone is waiting for the first drives by the press but i think this could be the car Porsche have been wanting & waiting to build for a decade or so ... Mid engined GT car - Wow ... I think i am in the perfect scenario and will see how the Market views the car and will get to drive one and also get a feel for specs before my build slot comes up ... Question is i am now thinking of keeping the GTS and the GT4 now as 1) I totally love my GTS and 2)Its not depreciating and will make the perfect 2nd car to the GT4's 3rd Track Car & Investment .... Just need to work 24 hours a day now Lol [:'(] I love Porsches ... HaHa
Hope you get it for Spa Chris. Will be interesting to see one close up and see how it goes on track.
I have never had to wait for a car out of 50 cars owned yes maybe I have only had 4 or 5 new cars, but all those were show room cars with a good 15% off haggle, and drove out the showroom within 3 days. waiting seems crazy paying list seems crazy Not knowing how many seems crazy taking a car in OCT onwards with CUP 2 tyres seems crazy waiting till May 2016 seems crazy or even Oct 2016 !! going into the showroom and not asking for a 10% discount seems crazy, did I say that twice, lol I still cannot get over paying list price and not even being able to get free mats !! but here I am waiting, and paying list !!! If it were not limited numbers I would wait 2 years and buy a 2nd hand one (like I did with my R , 60k+ list paid £45k) , only reason I can afford to buy this is the gamble that it will go up in price or at least not loose 10k. The R imo at £40k is the bargain car of 2014/2015. this new ltd numbers thing and now the UK is rich, people will pay over list just ruins it for me. I don't want to make money on a car, yes it's nice but it ruins the owner ship, no doubt for me at least I'll keep the miles to 4k PA as putting 10k PA on it could cost you £10k maybe in 2 years £20k loss of value. to own a car and have to think if I use this too much I'll loose £20k is madness. If 991 GT3's hit 200k, the GT4 is going to hit £100k in a blink of an eye, hence you could even sell your slot for 10k plus now !! I am sure people will pay for a June slot way over list. to me it's a far far better car than the GT3, and will sit nice in Porsche mid engine sports car line up of 3 cars, 918, 9** £250k new mid engine thing and the GT4 , I am not even sure where that leave a GT3 bar in investors garages !! once the £250k mid engine super car comes out who wants a 2 year old GT3 for £250k ?
+1 to all that MrD. These are the sort of discussions we never have on this forum. What did I say a month or so about the GT4 becoming a "speculation special".....? Incidentally, if some of the PCs are saying they expect to get 6-8 cars this year and there are about 38 UK Centres, where’s the figure of 100 cars for this year coming from unless some of the Centres are losing out? If there’s an overwhelming demand for the car, I’m sure that Porsche will come under pressure from the Centres to ramp up production to avoid an unhappy customer base unwilling to leave £5k deposits festering for up to a year [or more, if allowed] without a confirmed prospect of getting a car. And if Porsche do respond to overwhelming demand for the car that's bound to dent second hand prices in the longer term; but that's just my take on it. Jeff
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+1 I know from the passenger seat how well his R goes round Spa and will defo be hitching a passenger ride with Chris in the 4. [
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I don't think OPC's will get any where near 8 cars though, I think production limits are the issue not how many they could make, they are already taking up GTS build slots and the poor GTS people are now getting 2016 delivery dates, Porsche cannot fit any more GT4 in if they wanted to it seems and they make way more money selling GTS cars at £75k than GT4 at £75k. the big brakes, GT3 shocks and adjustable sus parts plus the wings etc must cost a bit more to put on a GT4 than a bogo GTS, o and the forged wheels. the numbers coming from Stutgart don't add up though, but what ever it is the max figure inc VIP and PEC cars will be 256, but I don't see that number being possible, I think it's 200 customer cars + VIP cars + PEC cars which I heard was 35 units or some thing. So it's either 200 cars in total or 235 inc, the above or there abouts. looks like the 1st cars will be here June Btw fingers crossed for a early one for my Zanvoort trip in August, looks like I'll be taking the Spyder to the PCGB Track Day, Anglesey 23rd May, but that car is now sorted and loads better, so cannot wait to try that out also.
Its mid engined and its 0-124mph should satisfy anyone [
] Raw performance numbers will be spectacular. Ferrari says the 488 GTB will sprint from 0–124 mph in just 8.3 seconds. For those keeping score, that's essentially how long it took the original 308 GTB to get to 60. Overall dynamics should be in the "best ever for a production Ferrari" conversation, from acceleration to handling.
I don't expect to get much of a response to this but if anyone gets offered a build slot they don't intend to take up please drop me a mail. Thanks Geoff
This looks to be a great car and clearly what the Porsche buying public want, despite the apparent % of new Pdk Porsches ordered. I think Porsche have played this brilliantly, having spoken to various people at Porsche including some who should know. Nobody is actually able to give a true number of cars destined for the UK. The reason for this is that apparently it has not been decided? Once deposits are in, these will be sent to the factory and they will work out how many GT4 they can fit into the production run..not just for the UK obviously. If you ask Porsche press office directly, all they will tell you is, "This new model is not a limited edition in the style of the 911 GT3 RS 4.0 or 911 Sport Classic etc which were restricted to a numbered series only - the Cayman GT4 is a series production model." On that basis, I think there is a much better chance than of receiving a car if you have a deposit down than is currently being given. The thing is, many of those depositors have somehow got themselves into a frenzy over a sudden increase in value rather than driving it. I would expect quite a few of those who don't get an early car to pull out as numbers built could well be higher than expected at this moment.
Well said Paul... I'm certain that the Porsche production chaps are working overtime to see how they can meet demand for both the GT4 and GTS cars. As far as I know most Caymans are built at the Osnabruck factory, although I believe that a small number of special option cars are built in Stuttgart, so there could be some scope in increasing production there or, longer term, maybe extending the shift at Osnabruck. I'll bet that Porsche are regretting that they discontinued Cayman production at the Valmet factory in Finland. Jeff
They know the numbers , they are planning cars 4 years ahead, not cars coming out to clients in June. what are they going to say to those GTS orders who how have Jan 2016 dates, sorry but you cannot have a car till May 2016 !! GTS cars have been put so far back the gen 2 981 will be here , I would say orders books will be closing for GTS also at this rate.
Not not that long ago manufacturers were planning for a 10-year vehicle life-cycle, with a mid-life refresh, but that's now being to reduced to 8-years or less so the production planners have to be flexible in their approach. The most important thing is to have production flexibility to meet fluctuating demand within the product mix and I've no idea where Porsche stands in this respect....but it'll certainly be aimed a maximising profits, which were a whopping $23,200 per car as at March 2014. Jeff
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