Cayman GT4: Where are we up to now?
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Yes, having checked I'm disappointed how little is included in the Clubsport package - basically a roll cage bolted to the body behind the front seats, a six-point racing harness in red supplied ready to install on the driver’s side, a ready-to-install fire extinguisher with mounting bracket and preparation for battery master switch. All this plus the front roll cage elements and the structural cross brace behind the seats for race events are available to purchase separately from the Porsche Motorsport department. A six-point harness for the passenger side is available as an option. For reference, here's what BMW Motorsport include in their [4.0L , 420hp V8-engined] M3 GT4 spec which differs from the production car: Race bodyshell with welded safety roll cage - Carbon doors - Aero package with Carbon Frontsplitter, Rear Spoiler and Gurney - Macrolon side and rear windows - 100 l FT3 safety fuel tank - Single mass flywheel and 3-disc sinter clutch - Final drive (ratio i = 4,44) with lamella limited slip and oil cooling - Exhaust system weight optimized with racing catalyst - Optimized suspension with adjustable shock absorbers - Racing brake system FA 6-piston 378 mm, RA 4-piston 355 mm - ABS with special race mapping - BBS rims FA 9,5x18“, RA 10x18“ with Dunlop racing tyres - Racing seat RECARO with HANS-system - Steering wheel with quick release - Airjack system - Display with laptimer - Crashpad, door foam and door net Price 123.500 EUR without VAT Other options are available... Jeff
Jeff, Doesn't this reflect different objectives, the GT4 is for track day warriors and the BMW is a full race package? Ralph
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Indeed - not really comparing like with like TBH.
Hi Chris, I would have thought that if the core of the project was to produce a GT4 Cup car then that would be great for marketing and it would be in the brochure. Ok, if they've not committed to a Porsche series then that element would not be. The impression I get is that they have only gone as far as saying they've produced a great track car (in written collateral). No mention of even homologation in the brochure or what attributes to the chosen name. They say it's a "tribute to all the motorsport enthusiasts and performance motivators". They abundantly use the word racetrack but carefully. It could be like a GT2 where no race car exists. Nothing wrong with that though. Actually, skimming the brochure again, I get the impression that this car is going to be so optimised for the track that there's bound to be some people who are going to naively buy it for predominantly road use because of its looks and performance, but will not be able to live with it. So those who missed out, keep your eyes peeled because I think there'll be the odd early trade-in back to an OPC. Yes there's always someone affluent enough to make such decision. I know someone's Spyder was first bought by someone who didn't know the roof was manual!! They saw one, liked how it looked and bought it. Back it went. Now someone is bound to say that the price will be astromical if one does come up. I don't think OPC's initially hike prices above list until the market is up there. If an OPC received back a GT4 that is virtually brand new, soonish after they hit the road (so no value yet ascertained on the open market), would they slap the list price on it (including price of options of course) and contact one of their previously disappointed customers or would they try for a massive premium and put it on the forecourt? Keep close to your OPC I say, you never know, you might get lucky.
I have to agree with that 6. It would be good if Porsche decided to have a Cayman Cup series but somehow I can't see it happening in the short term, if at all. It would be nice to think that the Motorsport Dept. will be given the time and budget to develop the options necessary to upgrade the road car to GT4 Race Series spec and to provide support for "customer" teams, but that could just be a pipe dream. The GT4 won't be for everybody and you have to accept that the GTS is an excellent compromise of performance and specification. However, there are always people with money to spare/throw away who must have the latest "thing", be it cars, clothes, phones, etc., and who could well be disappointed with the GT4. With a few exceptions, Caymans are now built in Osnabruck and I don't know if the plant can increase capacity to meet GT4 demand. Porsche still seem to be working out the numbers to be made available, but given the rarity of the car it's inevitable that we'll see a few offered for sale at inflated prices later this year. Jeff
Chris H and I are on the tour in April starting at Osnabruck so we can ask them...
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Ha, that's true Chris. But real Porsche enthusiasts will know what they're buying into with the GT4 and with such a limited supply it's safe bet that prices will hold up, at least in the short term. Sorry I'm unable to join you and Ralph on the April FV. It'll be good for you to see where your cars were built and to ask pertinent questions regarding supply. Jeff
they won't change numbers, the car is not really launched till 3rd March I be the factory open build slots then, cars go on sale June. Porsche have a lot going on, RS launch and GT4 launch, then Spyder Launch. http://porsche.gomexlive.com/ "The new member of the Porsche GT family is the Cayman GT4. This is the first time Porsche is introducing a GT sports car based on the Cayman which has components of the 911 GT3. A lap time of 7 minutes and 40 seconds on the North loop of the Nürburgring positions the Cayman GT4 as the new benchmark at the top of its market segment. It also makes a clear statement that Porsche will continue to promote radical two-door sports cars in the future - sports cars that are developed at the Motorsport department in Weissach. The Cayman GT4 celebrates its world premiere on March 03 at the Geneva International Motor Show. "
They are specifically forbidden from buying back and selling at a premium. If you get the GT4 up in the configurator and look at the info panel for the Clubsport package, it says "Front, FIA-approved roll cage for use on race tracks is available from the Porsche Motorsport department" - which rather suggests the rear section is already FIA approved. You'd still have to change the seat (to my knowledge the buckets aren't approved), fit a proper plumbed-in extinguisher and properly connect the battery cut-off switch, but you could end up with a car that technically would pass scrutineering for some series (especially hill climbing where the regulations are more relaxed). All that doesn't, however, a proper race car make. No one would really want to race such a car without stripping the interior (all very nasty stuff in a fire, let alone the weight) and weld-in a roll cage (added stiffness). So, just like a GT3 RS you'd be some of the way to a race car - but its still not a race car. Chris.
Not at all. In my limited experience Porsche does not inflate the value of used cars, even sought after cars, whilst the car is still in production i.e. not whilst there's the ability to order a new one for less, not matter how long the wait. Of course speculators and independent dealers do of course do it and profit from those too impatient to order a new one.
That's what I thought. My point being, the shrewd amongst you could get hold of one of these maybe 6 months after they hit the road as it is probably going to be so good a track car (and therefore not as a road car) that someone with deep pockets and not having done their research will be handing one back. It always happens with specialist cars. Thanks Chris.
Will the GT4 fit your garage? Here are the figures [Cayman S in brackets]: L - 4438mm [4380mm] W - 1817mm [1801mm] H - 1266mm [1295mm] I don't think that the width includes the door mirrors. My impression is that those side intake "ears" stick out a bit more than 8mm per side but maybe it's the front/rear PUs which are wider than standard. Jeff
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