Cayman GT4: Where are we up to now?
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Those are my thoughts too spyder but that doesn't really address the GT4 engine issue, assuming it's now part of the Cayman stable and that it will be N/A. The current DFI engine can be used in the short term but where's a N/A flat-6 engine going to come from in the future other than from the 991.2 S or the GT3? And what about the engine for upcoming Spyder? Yet another complication added to the mix. Jeff
spyderwhite
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Did I not read all new engines in the future will be based on the new gt3rs engine!so the current dfi will be killed off Hence lower cc turbo engines for 9x1.2 cars and higher cc n/a Gt3/4 cars
Yes, as I said earler both the 4-cylinder [981.2] and 6-cylinder [991.2 and N/A GT3 RS] engines use the same architecture but I doubt that the GT4 would use the GT3 engine with its bespoke internals and heads/rockers/cams. Word has it that the 991.2 Carrera will use a 2.9L turbo engine and the 991.2 Carrera S a 3.8L turbo engine, so it's possible that the the GT4 could use a N/A version of the latter's engine. A lot of engine development work for just one car, although it could also be used in the Spyder. Perhaps it's looking more likely that future GT4s will also go turbo. And then there's the 991 Turbo to add to the mix. Jeff
Chris_in_the_UK
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It makes more economic sense to keep the basic engine platforms to a minimum and use other ways to increase performance. Modern vehicle production looks for more from less components via sharing.
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] And finished 2nd to AF corse and ahead of Aston in the final standings. Hardly time to pack up me thinks[8D]
Back in the real world ! Porsche Team Manthey Won two rounds of last years WEC LM GT class, Silverstone and Shanghai, with their old fangled 911's[
] And finished 2nd to AF corse and ahead of Aston in the final standings. Hardly time to pack up me thinks[8D]
Whilst I appreciate that fitting a turbo engine in a Porsche has its detractors, here's a sobering observation: With a 'Ring lap time of 7'40" the GT4 is clearly a very fast car [only 10 secs slower than a GT3] but in turn, the latest 2.0L 306bhp Civic Type-R hot hatch posted a time only 10 secs slower than the GT4. Very different types of car of course but whether or not Porsche likes it, they are in a power struggle with the hot hatch fraternity and one of the simplest and cheapest[?] ways to achieve the power edge is via turbocharging. The fact that improvements in fuel economy and emissions are achieved is a bonus and, as VAG has shown, turbocharging also provides a relatively straightforward level of engine tunability across the product range. Jeff
There was an interesting interview with Hartmut Kristen (former head of Porsche Motorsport) in PCA's February Panorama. The thrust of his comments regarding competition these days was on the removal of road car homologation for GT race series and the introduction of Balance of Performance and waivers. He continued to observe that there are features on new road cars (mainly electronics) which are banned on race cars and as a result race car performance is addressed differently from their road equivalents. In terms of road to race car, he said the 997.2RS was the last where there was a real link between road and race car. I guess the homologation/BoP issue may be expected coming from Porsche who achieved so much with homologation specials but an interesting insight nevertheless. Ralph
And a 997 GT3 R recently beat two Mercedes SLS AMG GT3s to an outright win in the Hankook 12 hour at Mugello, Italy. Five 911s in fact in the top 10. http://www.raceresults.nu/uitslagen//2015/24H%20Series/Hankook%2012H%20ITALY-MUGELLO%202015/12H%20-%2012H%20Race.pdfORIGINAL: Laurence Gibbs Porsche Team Manthey Won two rounds of last years WEC LM GT class, Silverstone and Shanghai, with their old fangled 911's[
but Nissan, Audi and even Bentley kick Porsche arse these days, If motorsport sells cars Audi are going to shift a lot of R8's they won the big 3 12 and 24 hours races last year. as for that race, well you would expect them to beat a Focus and a Seat !! 1st race of the year Nissan won, the Rolex event. pointless any way, who cares ?, just people who say Motorsport sells cars, which imo they don't any more. And people who bleet on about the 911 has heritage, again who cares ? and does it now ? I still see the 911 as the status look at me car, a sports car with 4 seats, !!! no thanks when I talked about the 3 Sports cars all being mid engine now I forgot about the 919 so the motorsport cars will be 4 mid engine cars Back to GT4's CAR have a massive write up this month , just been out to buy it. Glad I did not sell my R seems we might not see any GT4 till 1/4 4 !!!
Back to GT4's CAR have a massive write up this month , just been out to buy it. Glad I did not sell my R seems we might not see any GT4 till 1/4 4 !!!Bleating about what the 911 is or isn't is pointless. Porsche decide what they are going to do with their cars. If you want a very fast road car your choices are 911, Panamera or Cayenne. But that is also a pointless consideration depending what you actually want to buy. It you want a really fast Porsche road car sports car your only choice is the 911. It doesn't really matter what anyone thinks about the 911. The last time I checked, you couldn't get a road version of the 919. The GT4 is a great car, but if you're going to put it up against the 911 in conversation, it will be put into the shade. The ethos of the GT4 is evocative, but the truth is, most 911s in the range, without big wings and ball joints will still be up with it. You buy the GT4 because of what its like to drive, what it is as a package not because the 911 is this or that. I think it is easy for people who have no intention of coughing up for a GT3 or GT3 RS or GT2 or GT2 RS to big-up the GT4. Sure there will be videos of expertly driven GT4's keeping up with poorly driven GT3s and people claiming they are oh so close but that's usually those who need the reassurance of others to justify their choice of purchase. No matter what you buy there's always something better (and it depends on your own personal opinion what is better and in what way it is better). Knocking the alternatives shouldn't be a comforter. No wonder Porsche is selling these cars to 918 owners rather people who say they're just looking for a year of free motoring by talking them up and then selling them on. Enjoy the coming of the GT4 https://youtu.be/EyykDmuCxZo
Chris_in_the_UK
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I suspect that less than 10% of all the cars you mention are bought because they are fast.
I suppose it depends upon what you define as a very fast road car 6. On a spirited cross country run, I wouldn't expect many Porsches to outrun something like a Golf R or the latest Civic Type R (see my post #990 above on comparative 'Ring times for the GT3, GT4 and Civic). Jeff
Chris_in_the_UK
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Not being anything - there is always a knee jerk which defends the 911 (not from me BTW). The GT4 is fabulous and long, long overdue IMO - it could easily whup the 911 if Porsche decided it was ok to do so. The brand is changing and the focus is clearly on target for other markets. The brand, any brand is not about one car - that is just daft. The iconic Lambo is not any of the current ones but it is not what the brand is about now or in the future. Why can't people just accept that was then and this in now with Porsche?
flat6
rubbish, or depends what area you talking in, remember the 913/960 will be out soon which will put the 911 in the shade also NO 991.2 GT car because there will be a GT4 RS with GT3 engine in it, which again will put all past 911 GT cars in the shade. GT4 is only 10 seconds slower with 100 bhp less and manual ! what would the GT4 RS do with PDK and the GT3 engine ? As I said future Porsche sports car line up is all mid engine soon 919, 918, 913/960, GT4 all 911 will be turbo 2+2 Sports tourers, and no 911 will race any more imo the 1 make Porsche cup will prob also go GT4 as it will be cheaper.
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