Cayman GT4: Where are we up to now?

[CLIFFWILKINS]

Not everyone can afford much spec and some of us would have liked the opportunity to buy one to drive and keep.

Can't object to any private person selling for a profit if funds are needed if they generally wanted the car rather than sheer money spinner.what I object to is how these specialist are getting hold of brand new GT4s with delivery mileage marking them up.

Something's not right.

Hope they will be building lots more to satisfy loyal customers needs as promised.

 

[Sandy59]

I kind of agree something's not quite right if genuine enthusiastic Porsche 'customers' can't get a car to actually drive because of opportunist first owners/speculators, but not sure what the preventative measures would need to be ??

I'd kind of presume anyone who sells straight to a specialist non OPC dealer would be off the list for any future type car, but selling back to your OPC probably not.

 

[CLIFFWILKINS]

A signed disclaimer when ordering from OPC that a new car can not be sold to a specialist right away with certain time scale might do the trick.

 

[geoff lane]

I am not being critical of anyone who buys one to keep and drive, my problem is with Porsche and the dealer principle deciding to offer so called good customers first option, the good customers have no intention of keeping the cars and don't need the £25K.

I tried to get one on day 1 of the release when it became clear they had a manual gearbox, no chance, I seemed to be lower down the list every time I phoned, so I tried to get on a number of dealers lists. It quickly became clear I was not going to get one with the salesman having the response rehearsed "Sorry Sir the dealer principle decides who gets the GT cars"

Maybe its just sour grapes but these cars should be driven without having to pay 30 to 40% over.

 

[CLIFFWILKINS]

I had showed my intention over a year before the GT4 was released pie in the sky I was told would not take my deposit on two occasions once at a year before then at 6 months I was told I could not put a deposit on a car that would not be made.

I was told I would be put on a list if ever it was made and could not put a deposit down until it was certain it was going ahead.

When it was common knowledge I contacted this OPC and hey presto they denied I was on a list knowing full well I had enquired numerous times. I was told to spec on the first day release on line guess what no allocation Oh joy.

After a couple of letters to porsche AG with my discussed over there allocation of the GT4 I have insisted to go on a list at another OPC I might add but way down obviously more of a gesture on there part me thinks.

Been a loyal customer so obviously means nothing .

 

[ralphmusic]

A 4.0L GT4 seen running at a visit to DeMan Racing in the USA.

[link=http://rennlist.com/forums/gt4/913894-deman-motorsport-visit-photos-videos-and-feedback.html]http://rennlist.com/forum...deos-and-feedback.html[/link]

 

[Motorhead]

Here's the DeMan Motorsport GT4 4.0L engine package:

[link=http://demanmotorsport.com/services/#tab-1-6-GT4%20Upgrades]http://demanmotorsport.com/services/#tab-1-6-GT4%20Upgrades[/link]

403bhp and 340lbf-ft at the wheels from the stroked engine....a useful increase. However unlikely, it would be nice to think that Porsche are planning something like this themselves.

Jeff

 

[Motorhead]

Where I'm up to now is just over 1 week from collection.

It would be nice to get some decent weather for it, but not holding out a great deal of hope in NE Scotland.

I think you said it's signal Yellow Sandy...looks very nice.

Why the delay in picking it up?

Jeff

 

[DuncGT4]

Should be getting mine latter this week or the next week

so it's good buy to the GTS

 

[CarreraGTS]

I have to disagree with many of your opinions ... I don't wish to be rude or argumentative, as thats not my style!

Personally, i think its great that the GT4 is going for £25k over list - this being a reflection of 1) the brilliance of the car and 2) a Car manufacturer owned by VW allowing limited/specialist build, this is not a mainstream car, GT cars are Special, thats why we all want one - this is unique for a large Brand, retailing a Specialist build car for £65k ... I personally don't want supply to catch up with demand - Why, because i am getting one.. No, because it wouldn't be as Special.. Buy a GTS if you want a relatively Mainstream Cayman or 911 with a little bit of Magic thrown in, i did; i had a Brilliant 997 GTS with 9k miles on the clock and sold it for the GT4! Why do we hanker for a GT car, because its Special and you will rarely see one and up until the Cayman GT4 you had to pay over £100k for a special GT car! I kicked myself 2 years ago when i was looking for a 911 and wanted a GT3 but thought they were pricey at £55k at OPC's and ironically they couldn't shift Club Sports for love nor money ... Finally, the car rose to its true value and the GT4 at £65k is just an absolute bargain and thats one of the reasons they are £110k - Gone are the dated cabins, PCM's and seats - here is Mid engined magic with 918 seats and 991 styling for £67k ... Its crazy!

Regarding OPC's and looking after clients - why shouldn't they ..? I am a businessman and i look after my best clients first and foremost, why - because they have been loyal to me and helped grow my business so why should they not sell their Special cars to Special clients ...?!

Some people on this Forum will have placed numerous GT4 orders with different OPC's hoping to buy two and Flip one ... You will get away with this once but never again, Porsche check the internet regularly and actually penalise OPC's if they give there valuable cars to flippers, inevitably a few get through that net, if these are 918 or GT3 RS owners its their good fortune but this is not the model that Porsche adhere's too ...

My OPC are very fair and have not had one single flipped car and will only supply to known clients and lovers of the Porsche brand, its sister OPC doesn't even have a LOI list. In my opinion a GT4 order should be and is a recognition of your support and loyalty to the OPC and Porsche Brand ... If i flipped mine - thats it ... Persona Non Grata ...! Sure after a year or so or Part x against another Porsche thats different ...!

I have absolutely no complaints about Porsche or my OPC or my Salesman - they build the best cars in the World for the Money, exemplified by the GT4 and have fantastic customer and client retention rates - Say no more!

 

[CarreraGTS]

Some cars are quite a way from £65k though ! some up at £85k list if one wants CTS and PCCB. I do really hate how Porsche put the GT4 up at £65k lacking any kit what so ever ! and now all you get are mags and people saying how great it is for £65k when we all paid a lot more anyway.

I could have added a few more bits even at £75k but had to draw the line at a £75k car

even a basic track spec car with NO leather and NO PCM is £71k for CS and buckets !

I still might sell. I want to keep the car but £25k is £25k tax free that's hard to turn down, it's a head heart thing but ruins the buying of it when I think what I could buy with a free £25k. that's not speculating, that's just how it's turned out to be for me now !

put it this way it gets me into a new Exige 350 Sport with the new gear shift mech and less weight for £30k (the 2016 model does look good for a weekend toy) !!! now that is a hard thing to turn down for a £30k outlay imo !

NO one I know has said keep it, even if they are into cars ! it gets me an Exige for net £30k and puts £45k back in my pocket ! it's very hard to say no i'll keep the GT4 !

Mr D - I know you love your Trackday cars and know allot more than us on most things ... But swapping a GT Porsche for a Lotus - Have you been Drinking .... LOL

 

[spyderwhite]

6 cars for sale at opc now with 2 of those at Leicester! the flippers dealership of choice? was that not were mrd got his car and has he also flipped!

Anyone who wanted a car from them and didn't get one should be well and truly p*ssed off!

 

[ralphmusic]

Or go to Continental dealers where prices much lower - April delivery reasonable spec €113k

 

[Sandy59]

Hi Jeff, well it arrived at my OPC just before I had to leave the UK for 5 weeks, so only getting back tomorrow, will hopefully pick it up on Thursday or Friday.

It was originally due in late Jan anyway, but somehow arrived in mid December.

Hope to get it on track in the next few months.

Sandy

 

[MrDemon]

6 cars for sale at opc now with 2 of those at Leicester! the flippers dealership of choice? was that not were mrd got his car and has he also flipped!

Anyone who wanted a car from them and didn't get one should be well and truly p*ssed off!

Solihul have sold 3 of theirs,and most OPC seem to have 1 or 2 in showrooms for sale, juts NOT on the Porsched used car list. but as you say 2 have been up for sale at Leicester and the top555 car was also from Leicester. as for me flipping my car, why do you keep posting such rumors, do you get a thrill form it ?, I left PH because of the bullshit I don't want to see it here.

My car is safe in my garage thanks, but being a self made business man I do look at a nice return of 40% any one who does not look at a 40% return should NOT be in business.

So yes I might sell it as a 40% return tax free is sound business. And as I have said gets me into a Exige for net cost of £25k , that's cheap motoring and frees up a load of cash to invest in my business's. You could say the stupid people are the keepers

 

[CarreraGTS]

6 cars for sale at opc now with 2 of those at Leicester! the flippers dealership of choice? was that not were mrd got his car and has he also flipped!

Anyone who wanted a car from them and didn't get one should be well and truly p*ssed off!

Solihul have sold 3 of theirs,and most OPC seem to have 1 or 2 in showrooms for sale, juts NOT on the Porsched used car list. but as you say 2 have been up for sale at Leicester and the top555 car was also from Leicester. as for me flipping my car, why do you keep posting such rumors, do you get a thrill form it ?, I left PH because of the bull**** I don't want to see it here.

My car is safe in my garage thanks, but being a self made business man I do look at a nice return of 40% any one who does not look at a 40% return should NOT be in business.

So yes I might sell it as a 40% return tax free is sound business. And as I have said gets me into a Exige for net cost of £25k , that's cheap motoring and frees up a load of cash to invest in my business's. You could say the stupid people are the keepers

Mr D - As ever your right ... HaHa ... x The only trouble is if you flip you will kill any chance of a further GT car, so not as wise a 40% decision as you may think and then theres the depreciation of the Exige plus the embarrassment of driving a Lotus ... LOL xxx

 

[CarreraGTS]

6 cars for sale at opc now with 2 of those at Leicester! the flippers dealership of choice? was that not were mrd got his car and has he also flipped!

Anyone who wanted a car from them and didn't get one should be well and truly p*ssed off!

Spyder - Your spot on ...

 

[CarreraGTS]

Just to look at it from OPC stand point and why they are now charging £20k for GT4 orders ... They must be seriously cheesed off with all the crappy Indies charging £25k overs and making 7-10k for doing nothing which is probably more money than the OPC did on the car in the first place and they have all the in house costs and expenditure ...!

My neighbour wanted the new Ferrari which featured on ECOTY ... Ferrari told him he has to buy two Ferrari's before they will even look at him for future cars .... Seams fare to me ... Why handout a handsome profit to some Joe for quite simply writing an email and placing a marginal deposit ... !

 

[geoff lane]

Carrera GTS I know your getting one and your points about them being great cars I totally agree with, our point is the method of allocation and it is a fact that if you bought a 918 you get 1st shout at GT cars and then after that the DP decides who gets the cars.

Your point about the OPC not letting people who flip buy in the future is all well and good if it works but Spyderwhite's point is also correct and the true situation is much worse than 6 for sale if you look on P/heads there are 17 for sale plus the ones not advertised and I know of 3 myself. That is quite a big percentage of flippers most with no mileage.

Porsche is the only useable supercar that is affordable to run for the ordinary enthusiast so let them enjoy the car and they will be loyal to the brand. I guess we should put our names down and maybe deposits now for the next generation GT4 although that would not guarantee you a car. Great cars and good value YES fair allocation NO

 

[CarreraGTS]

Carrera GTS I know your getting one and your points about them being great cars I totally agree with, our point is the method of allocation and it is a fact that if you bought a 918 you get 1st shout at GT cars and then after that the DP decides who gets the cars.

Your point about the OPC not letting people who flip buy in the future is all well and good if it works but Spyderwhite's point is also correct and the true situation is much worse than 6 for sale if you look on P/heads there are 17 for sale plus the ones not advertised and I know of 3 myself. That is quite a big percentage of flippers most with no mileage.

Porsche is the only useable supercar that is affordable to run for the ordinary enthusiast so let them enjoy the car and they will be loyal to the brand. I guess we should put our names down and maybe deposits now for the next generation GT4 although that would not guarantee you a car. Great cars and good value YES fair allocation NO

Hello Geoff ... I do see your point and empathise with it, however i would still say that if someone was happy to give my business over £700k for a 918 - i would be happy to offer them a humble GT4 allocation as after all the 918 will definitely not be that clients first Porsche and most likely he has probably bought numerous Porsches from the OPC and helped contribute to the business for many years before his 918 allocation - I still think its fair enough ...

Concerning all the PH cars at Indies - I believe 50% of them would have been deposited on never to Flip, like Mr D's scenario - its the pure unbounded success that Porsche incredibly did not foresee that Hiked the Price up - for example if it was £10k overs how many cars would be for sale ... allot less in my humble opinion - so thats why we ware where we are with GT4 ...

I think come second allocation time and 2016 plate the used market will be so flooded that prices will drop and the 50% who bought to keep will them pull out of the Flippers market and hang onto the cars - so heres my graph of GT4 prices ...

Launch 2015 Prices - £30k overs

Christmas/New year 2015/16 - £25k overs

March 2016 - £15to20k Overs

Sept 2016 - £15k overs (final deliveries)

December 2016 - £15k overs

March 2017 - £20k overs for mint Low mile Club Sports £10k for Standard cars

Future Gen2 Launch - Gen1 at £10k overs ....