Cayman GT4: Where are we up to now?

[geoff lane]

It will be interesting to look back in 12 months time and see where it stands but this is not new to GT4, I paid over for my GT3 and again I could not get a new car even with a RS to trade in, I only kept the GT3 for 6 months and lost a bit on it but still sold for well over just less than I bought for, a clubsport is still around £140k and look at the 991 RS now at 60 to 70% over and there are plenty of them for sale if you have the money.

So March 17 a GT4 standard with buckets should be £80 to £85K in mint condition with low miles. Lets see

 

[spyderwhite]

I think fair allocation has depended a lot on opc! My opc had the highest number of 918s sold so a fair amount of buyers with first dibs on a new gt4,I have only bought one new porsche from them over 10 years ago(but I have purchased 2 other new porsches from other opc)although but I have always had my cars serviced by them and I was quite late compared to others with my letter of interest (oct.2014) yet I was lucky enough to secure a car. Whereas others have bought a number of new porsche cars from another dealer,name down for a long time etc have been unlucky,yet someone who has never bought a new Porsche in their life gets a car no problems to then go on to flip it that's unfair! But someone who has spent large sums of money with a dealership on new cars but has gone on to obtain and then to flip a gt4 then I don't have much of a problem with that although it would have been nice of them to decline the car for someone else who wanted one but who's to say they wouldn't of flipped it too!Who could have predicted on release, deposit down the £20-30k premiums!

 

[spyderwhite]

Me I am not to hung up about the premiums although being in the low wage earner bracket £25k-30k profit is a lot of tax free money but since when has a passion been about money or profit!As long as my car maintains a good % residual over 3 years to its £72k cost I will be happy as I cannot afford or want to loose money like i have done in the past on new p cars

 

[CarreraGTS]

It will be interesting to look back in 12 months time and see where it stands but this is not new to GT4, I paid over for my GT3 and again I could not get a new car even with a RS to trade in, I only kept the GT3 for 6 months and lost a bit on it but still sold for well over just less than I bought for, a clubsport is still around £140k and look at the 991 RS now at 60 to 70% over and there are plenty of them for sale if you have the money.

So March 17 a GT4 standard with buckets should be £80 to £85K in mint condition with low miles. Lets see

Geoff - When you put it like that i think the GT4 in 2017 with Buckets will be £85k and still the cheapest GT car available ... Although, the way things are looking and the incredible response by the Worlds media, maybe the GT4 will always eclipse 996 & Gen1 GT3 Values ... As for sure its a better car - me, when i get my car and after a year may trade for a 991 GT3 ... But only with my OPC as not to hurt relationships and possible GT4 RS allocation ...

 

[MrDemon]

6 cars for sale at opc now with 2 of those at Leicester! the flippers dealership of choice? was that not were mrd got his car and has he also flipped!

Anyone who wanted a car from them and didn't get one should be well and truly p*ssed off!

Solihul have sold 3 of theirs,and most OPC seem to have 1 or 2 in showrooms for sale, juts NOT on the Porsched used car list. but as you say 2 have been up for sale at Leicester and the top555 car was also from Leicester. as for me flipping my car, why do you keep posting such rumors, do you get a thrill form it ?, I left PH because of the bull**** I don't want to see it here.

My car is safe in my garage thanks, but being a self made business man I do look at a nice return of 40% any one who does not look at a 40% return should NOT be in business.

So yes I might sell it as a 40% return tax free is sound business. And as I have said gets me into a Exige for net cost of £25k , that's cheap motoring and frees up a load of cash to invest in my business's. You could say the stupid people are the keepers

Mr D - As ever your right ... HaHa ... x The only trouble is if you flip you will kill any chance of a further GT car, so not as wise a 40% decision as you may think and then theres the depreciation of the Exige plus the embarrassment of driving a Lotus ... LOL xxx

you can flip it to an OPC and then they will give you the next GT car, only if you flip it outside the network you loose out, OPC want the chance to make money that's all. Again sound business model ps the new exige sport looks a solid car now they have took it apart and put it together right lol It will not go down below £40k and in real money it will only cost me £25k to get in it ! So I would still be £15k up after 3 years !

If I flip my car to my OPC is secures me a RS and I get to use an Exige Sport 350 for the summer at no risk . pick up an RS in 2 years and make £40k on that. I have to go in it with a business mind now which is a shame, but its free money and as long as you resell to your OPC they will keep letting you have cars ,money makes money.

As you have stated if prices go down and you sell now you can get back in a gt4 for £10k over maybe, so £20k in your pocket and you still have a GT4 many many options, but the key thing atm is SELL NOW , hence you see many people selling up !

I still might not sell now as I like the car it's a hard choice but for many people it looks easy to make 40% risk and tax free. CS spec 10k more than normal spec I doubt lol, maybe in 10 years time, but atm it's all about an amount over list price whatever the spec (unless the cars over speced). If the RS does happen CS GT4 might be no advantage at all, as all the CS boys will FLIP into an RS and you have a glut of them, the flippers do seem to be CS pack cars also ! where as I speced the car for me as I intended NOT to sell and still might not.

ANd in fact if you have over speced which some cars are at £86k you loose out as the selling top prices atm seem to be £108/110k which is only £24k ! margin £6k down on what my car would fetch atm !

interesting though, but most CS cars were speced to flip(not track) it seems !

 

[CarreraGTS]

6 cars for sale at opc now with 2 of those at Leicester! the flippers dealership of choice? was that not were mrd got his car and has he also flipped!

Anyone who wanted a car from them and didn't get one should be well and truly p*ssed off!

Solihul have sold 3 of theirs,and most OPC seem to have 1 or 2 in showrooms for sale, juts NOT on the Porsched used car list. but as you say 2 have been up for sale at Leicester and the top555 car was also from Leicester. as for me flipping my car, why do you keep posting such rumors, do you get a thrill form it ?, I left PH because of the bull**** I don't want to see it here.

My car is safe in my garage thanks, but being a self made business man I do look at a nice return of 40% any one who does not look at a 40% return should NOT be in business.

So yes I might sell it as a 40% return tax free is sound business. And as I have said gets me into a Exige for net cost of £25k , that's cheap motoring and frees up a load of cash to invest in my business's. You could say the stupid people are the keepers

Mr D - As ever your right ... HaHa ... x The only trouble is if you flip you will kill any chance of a further GT car, so not as wise a 40% decision as you may think and then theres the depreciation of the Exige plus the embarrassment of driving a Lotus ... LOL xxx

you can flip it to an OPC and then they will give you the next GT car, only if you flip it outside the network you loose out, OPC want the chance to make money that's all. Again sound business model ps the new exige sport looks a solid car now they have took it apart and put it together right lol It will not go down below £40k and in real money it will only cost me £25k to get in it ! So I would still be £15k up after 3 years !

If I flip my car to my OPC is secures me a RS and I get to use an Exige Sport 350 for the summer at no risk . pick up an RS in 2 years and make £40k on that. I have to go in it with a business mind now which is a shame, but its free money and as long as you resell to your OPC they will keep letting you have cars ,money makes money.

As you have stated if prices go down and you sell now you can get back in a gt4 for £10k over maybe, so £20k in your pocket and you still have a GT4 many many options, but the key thing atm is SELL NOW , hence you see many people selling up !

I still might not sell now as I like the car it's a hard choice but for many people it looks easy to make 40% risk and tax free. CS spec 10k more than normal spec I doubt lol, maybe in 10 years time, but atm it's all about an amount over list price whatever the spec (unless the cars over speced). If the RS does happen CS GT4 might be no advantage at all, as all the CS boys will FLIP into an RS and you have a glut of them, the flippers do seem to be CS pack cars also ! where as I speced the car for me as I intended NOT to sell and still might not.

ANd in fact if you have over speced which some cars are at £86k you loose out as the selling top prices atm seem to be £108/110k which is only £24k ! margin £6k down on what my car would fetch atm !

interesting though, but most CS cars were speced to flip(not track) it seems !

Mr D - I agree with all of your points, if your going to Flip "NOW" is the time .. There will be literally over a Hundred GT4's coming into the market from 1st March, including mine and i am sure prices will drop ... For me , thats fine as i "over specced" my car but intend on keeping it ... After all its only Money and Memories matter more to me ... My initial thought was to Flip my GT4 and use that margin against my GTS which would have been very logical, having a 997 GTS for circa £30k but i never really loved the GTS as i did my old S54 Mcoupe and i am hoping the GT4 fills the Mcoupes place in my heart and soul ...! If not i will have to sell in a years time and get a GT3 ...

 

[Motorhead]

Ha! If I'd just wandered onto this thread I'd have thought I'd be speaking to a load of bankers...!

Jeff

 

[ralphmusic]

Is is a bit bonkers []

 

[CarreraGTS]

Ha! If I'd just wandered onto this thread I'd have thought I'd be speaking to a load of bankers...!

Jeff

Motorhead - "Bankers" or "Wank...rs" ... LOL

 

[Motorhead]

I was very careful with the spelling Andrew so as not to offend anybody..!

Jeff

 

[CarreraGTS]

Going to get a PPF Film on my GT4 next month and looking at Llumar instead of Xpel - there is no "orange peel" as with Xpel and has less solvent to stick to Paint, so better transparency, it is the same thickness and protection as Xpel and more expensive but more Glossy and No orange peel ... which should work well on Guards Red - Anyones experience of this ...?? Andrew

 

[MrDemon]

there is no orange peel on xpel you can see.

Suntek and Xpel[/i] Ultmiate films[/i] have self heal, Llumar does not, in fact not heard any thing good about Llumar at all people say it looks ok but does not last.

Suntek has less of this orange peel you talk off but is thinner, but easier to fit than xpel.

it's really xpel or Suntek it seems. and if tracked xpel wins hands down due to thickness and you have just bought a track car

here is a guards red gt4 with xpel fitted

[link=https://www.detailersdomain.com/blogs/auto-detailing/78816323-2015-porsche-cayman-gt4-in-for-a-new-car-prep-and-xpel-ultimate-paint-protection-film]https://www.detailersdoma...-paint-protection-film[/link]

 

[flat6]

I don’t want to appear negative about the GT4 by making the following statement but as Chris Harris was mentioned, he did say something from 5:21 To 5:41 in the following video that I think positions the car as Porsche intended i.e. in a window between the GTS and GT3 (& 11:41 to 11:48 & 11:59 To 12:05). He does affirm how brilliant the car is throughout his review, but he does keep things in perspective

[link=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L9-Sr8RPty4]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L9-Sr8RPty4 [/link]

 

[MrDemon]

thing with harris is, he has to sell space/views etc, he always says every GT3 is mega until the next one comes out and then he says the old on had understeer.

you cannot take any of it for much bar a bit of fun and drifting. Reviews are what they are and every one has to push them to get clicks.

 

[flat6]

True. I don't cling to the gospel of any reviewer and as you say every new iteration is better than the last, but here he's making reference to two current cars. As he attributes the majority of the difference between the current GT3 and GT4 as being down to the drive-train, I don't think anyone can disagree with that.

I was actually referring to this post but now I realise it was on the other thread! Ooops!

people around the World and in the Press say the car is a work of art and a masterpiece, [.....] to argue with Andreas P or Chris Harris

Yes it is a brilliant car but I don't think Andreas P would let it be all it can be because he has to position it relative to the other cars in his stable. It's such a good car that decisions like how much power to give it and whether to given it PDK have to be taken to reign it in. So yes, a damn good car and there's room (with what's already at Andreas' disposal - e.g. PDK, removing the 'added' de-tune etc.) that he could have pushed the envelope even further if he was allowed.

Anyway, enough negativity. Enjoy your cars!

 

[Terry Clifford]

When the turbo engines arrive and 400 bhp is available (merc amg a45 @ 380 bhp) what then for GT4's. I expect the suspension spec. will not match a GT4 though.

 

[MrDemon]

A 991 turbo S is already quicker than a GT3 on track, so not sure the issue.

if one just wants to go as fast as possible the 2.6 sec 0-60 turbo S is the one to buy,

 

[Motorhead]

Riviera Blue anyone?

Jeff

 

[ralphmusic]

Porsche NA have issued track maintenance guidance/instructions for the GT4 - shades of GT3 centre locks.. specifying rear hubs and bearings change at 6k track miles and front and back hubs and bearings at 12k track miles. Also amusingly check rubber stops on rear lid at every 6k track miles.

The high track mileage may not be relevant to all but a few; but with the centre locks, OPC's were supposed to require sellers to disclose track mileage on cars they sold, but never did. I was never asked when I sold a centre lock equipped car to an OPC who knew the car have been tracked. Another pass the (liability) parcel job which does the brand no credit.

[link=http://www.renntech.org/forums/topic/49498-gt4-wsm-supplements-now-available/#entry274471]http://www.renntech.org/f...available/#entry274471[/link]

 

[dpoynton]

Autocar;

"The 718 Boxster S has claimed figures of 4.2sec 
and 177mph, in the process beating the official 0-62mph time of the 380bhp 3.8-litre 
six-cylinder [link=http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/porsche/cayman-gt4]Cayman GT4[/link] 
by 0.2sec."

Article:

[link=http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/2016-porsche-718-boxster-revealed]http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/2016-porsche-718-boxster-revealed[/link]

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