Cayman GT4: Where are we up to now?
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PDK - Yes. Turbo flat-6 - No. Apparently there just isn't sufficient room in the engine bay to fit it and the associated intercooler and plumbing, so don't hold your breath for that Andrew.CarreraGTS said:MrDemon said:
Good point Mr D ... I think the Turbo charged 6 will be the next GT4 with PDK - quicker than the original but leaving the original as a landmark Porsche car ... Heres to hoping so
For what it's worth, my guess is that there'll be at least a DME tweak and maybe some tinkering with the inlet/throttle body. I suppose a capacity increase to 4.0L is a remote possibility, which might be a cheaper solution than fitting the very expensive X51 Powerkit. One thing's certain: the mods will be designed to keep the GT4 power output ahead of the that of the flat-4 turbo GTS.
Jeff
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They would have looked the part together.Tony Lon said:matthewlatter said:
Or my new Riviera Blue CGTS. [
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Sunlight makes it pop....
Voodoo very dull imo
Jeff,
Powerkit plenum far more complex but developed now so cost just casting and innards, heads and camshaft just different and retail price does not reflect cost.
I'd guess Gen2 with another 15/20hp which is easily available with plenum, throttle body and tune to suit. Least cost route to power and nominal development and parts cost. Hp more than cooking models' but will struggle to beat cookings' Nm.
Powerkit plenum far more complex but developed now so cost just casting and innards, heads and camshaft just different and retail price does not reflect cost.
I'd guess Gen2 with another 15/20hp which is easily available with plenum, throttle body and tune to suit. Least cost route to power and nominal development and parts cost. Hp more than cooking models' but will struggle to beat cookings' Nm.
Matthew/Tony - Both those cars look really great in blue. The black decals set them off well too as do the shiny black bits on the Cayman.
But for me the prize has to go to the Cayman (after all, this is the Cayman forum!).
Jeff
PS: Posted before your new picture Matthew. Your 911 looks cracking in the sunlight - a great shot.
But for me the prize has to go to the Cayman (after all, this is the Cayman forum!).
Jeff
PS: Posted before your new picture Matthew. Your 911 looks cracking in the sunlight - a great shot.
matthewlatter
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I will be collecting my GT4 this week hence why i'm on the cayman forum.
Just saying Riviera snaps necks and not for the shy or people that like to blend in.
Had the GT4 in Carmine.
Just saying Riviera snaps necks and not for the shy or people that like to blend in.
Had the GT4 in Carmine.
Well - Tomorrow is the day my friends .... Pick up my first ever brand spanking new Porsche, so proud and honoured to be part of the GT4 Club .... Never really thought this day in my life would ever come... two decades of hard work to get to this momentus day .... No sleep tonight! Andrew
Tony Lon said:matthewlatter said:
Or my new Riviera Blue CGTS. [
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That car looks beautiful ... Its interesting the whole PTS debate ... originally i would have loved PTS for my GT4 and would have gone for Riviera with PCCB and yellow stitching throughout but i am equally happy with Guards Red, Satin wheels, Club sport and Red stitching - i have gone for a Black and red theme .... as my design brief! Lol
I canceled my PTS blue after seeing it in real life over pics at PEC , so PTS just brings in harder choices lol
Riviera and Mexcio look great in saturated pics as most are saturated on the net, but in real life look light and insipid imo !! seems to look great on 1970's cars.
I am really off these light blues atm hence my canceled car. I would have changed it to Viper Green or VooDoo blue, but would have gone 100% viper, but did not as my R was green and I thought I was keeping it, when I sold my R and tried to change my PTS it all went tits up as there were NO 918 buckets at the time so after a phone call to the factory it was loose the buckets and keep PTS or keep buckets and go standard colour, buckets won of course.
And many colours were also off the list when I ordered, like Metalic white, carmine red and Sphire blue, So my choice was really red, yellow or white back in Oct as I discounted silvers !!!
in hind site I like GT silver with all yellow lol I never buy new cars so colours was such the hardest choice I have had to make !!!!!
Yellow on the other hand looks crap in pics but amazing in real life imo of course, so that was the colour in the end for me. As with all colours it's personal choice, but it's harder than I ever thought it was going to be !!!!
I also like PTS RS grey/black atm that's also a great look for the GT4 and CArmine also looks mega, so many colours work well on the GT4 hence the hard choice.
I also cancelled my blue but also the buckets, once having driven the car at PEC. Yellow won it for me, Porsche know how to market cars and normally choose the best colour for their launch.
I did fancy a white one but when I saw one it just didn't work for me, but if I was having a GT3 it would more than likely be finished in white.
On ordering I chose platinum wheels, as I also purchased another set of rims I had them in black, these were for a normal set of tyres ( To deal with warranty issues P Zeros ) for more wintery conditions and have to say on a yellow car I like them much better, the brakes and disks look great through them ( PCCB ).
I think most of the colours look good, it's just down to individual choice.
The downside is I've only done around 100 miles in mine this year, just clocked about 1050 in total, the plus side and it is a very big plus, I enjoy driving it.
I did fancy a white one but when I saw one it just didn't work for me, but if I was having a GT3 it would more than likely be finished in white.
On ordering I chose platinum wheels, as I also purchased another set of rims I had them in black, these were for a normal set of tyres ( To deal with warranty issues P Zeros ) for more wintery conditions and have to say on a yellow car I like them much better, the brakes and disks look great through them ( PCCB ).
I think most of the colours look good, it's just down to individual choice.
The downside is I've only done around 100 miles in mine this year, just clocked about 1050 in total, the plus side and it is a very big plus, I enjoy driving it.
Well... picked the GT4 up today ... almost felt too nervous to enjoy the situation - the car looked amazing after Reep detailing Machine polished and gave it a coat of Gtechnik but most of all i was blown away by the Llumar PPF its incredible, so deep in colour and actually invisible to the eye! The guards red just looks so rich in colour and with the black wheels and carbon accents is a great look IMO
First impression is difficult as not going over 3,500 revs but the torque makes up for that for the time being - i must say i was a little disappointed with the sound inside the car, even with PSE switched on there was not much of a noise but i guess that will get better as the car gets some miles under its belt ... when you switch PSE from off to On there is no real notable change in idle burble unlike the GTS where it would spit and burble on start up which was nice ...
I definitely would not want to commute in this car, the clutch is so highly sprung that after 5 minutes in traffic your left ankle is starting to ache somewhat ... But the gear shift is for me its best feature, so sure, so strong - feels great ...
At this moment in time i would not say its twice the car of my 997 GTS even though its almost twice the price - the GTS is a great car and in some ways i am sad to see it go now ... You just can't beat a 911 but i am sure i will feel happier wit the GT4 when i can give it full revs but i would probably say that the best car and most undervalued Porsche at the moment would be a 997 GTS Manual or even PDK for £60k they are incredible and just as quick if not quicker than the GT4 ...
First impression is difficult as not going over 3,500 revs but the torque makes up for that for the time being - i must say i was a little disappointed with the sound inside the car, even with PSE switched on there was not much of a noise but i guess that will get better as the car gets some miles under its belt ... when you switch PSE from off to On there is no real notable change in idle burble unlike the GTS where it would spit and burble on start up which was nice ...
I definitely would not want to commute in this car, the clutch is so highly sprung that after 5 minutes in traffic your left ankle is starting to ache somewhat ... But the gear shift is for me its best feature, so sure, so strong - feels great ...
At this moment in time i would not say its twice the car of my 997 GTS even though its almost twice the price - the GTS is a great car and in some ways i am sad to see it go now ... You just can't beat a 911 but i am sure i will feel happier wit the GT4 when i can give it full revs but i would probably say that the best car and most undervalued Porsche at the moment would be a 997 GTS Manual or even PDK for £60k they are incredible and just as quick if not quicker than the GT4 ...
These comments does not bode well if you are a 911 Fan and changing to a Cayman ! most people are either 911 fans or Cayman fans due to the way they drive.
""but i would probably say that the best car would be a 997 GTS Manual" + " "You just can't beat a 911"
yep you have just given up the x51 zing, the hydraulic steering, the feedback, the smaller wheel size, the shorter gearing.
Hope you like the GT4 enough to over come all that.
I tried to buy the RPM GTS last Sat but it sold very fast.
""but i would probably say that the best car would be a 997 GTS Manual" + " "You just can't beat a 911"
yep you have just given up the x51 zing, the hydraulic steering, the feedback, the smaller wheel size, the shorter gearing.
Hope you like the GT4 enough to over come all that.
I tried to buy the RPM GTS last Sat but it sold very fast.
Hi Mr D ... I think the GT4 is a better car and one that i will grow to love as i get to use the revs ... my point is its not twice the value of a 997 GTS - i am slightly annoyed at myself as i sold the GTS as it was a beauty, Aero Kit, Carrara white, 15k miles etc before the GT4 arrived but my original plan was to flip GT4 and keep GTS which would have been a very prudent decision but i was talked out of it by OPC as they said the GTS still has some depreciation to go ...as did 911 Virgin - personally i think 997 GTS will become an Icon and last of the modern but old school 911's - i also think in time people may even like them more than Gen1 GT3's as they are such a great car ... Anyway - i am happy with GT4 just wanted to give some feedback between the 2 cars ...MrDemon said:
GTS, yes a car now sort after in manual, fit a sharkwerks bypass pipe and some Ohlins road and track SUS, with some modern tyres and you have a winner.
The GT4 gets no better with revs sorry to say, I find myself changing at 6.5k as it lacks any high end excitement and 6.5k revs drops you back into a nice place for torque.
I am going to VBox times changing at 6.5k revs vs red line to see what the real world is on the road and post up results.
when you run it in you think it's going to get better with revs as at 4.5k it picks up very well, but then does not keep that going like the X51 unit does.
GT4 a better car well that's is subjective I guess for the reasons I listed, no x51 zing at the top end, no hydraulic steering, less feedback, bigger wheels, longer gearing.
so it depends what better is to you. both mega cars atm and both very sort after as can bee seen every time a manual 2WD GTS comes for sale, it's gone in days.
IF I knew what I knew now, I would have sold my GT4 at £30k overs back in OCT, and bought that RPM GTS and added the bits I said. it would have cost me £35k then in total for the GTS !!!
but IF I knew what I knew now I would have bought a 997.2 RS for £90k 2 years back lol
be interesting to see how you find the GT4 engine over the 408 bhp x51 real unit ;-) an engine which should have been in a GT car from the start and I hope will be in the gen 2 GT4.
I really cannot see me keeping the GT4 long term, but it's hard to swap cars when you have to move so fast if something comes up for sale.
The GT4 does some things amazing and I love it for that, but it is still lacking and frustrating in others as listed, and does not give me the wow I wanted from it.
The GT4 gets no better with revs sorry to say, I find myself changing at 6.5k as it lacks any high end excitement and 6.5k revs drops you back into a nice place for torque.
I am going to VBox times changing at 6.5k revs vs red line to see what the real world is on the road and post up results.
when you run it in you think it's going to get better with revs as at 4.5k it picks up very well, but then does not keep that going like the X51 unit does.
GT4 a better car well that's is subjective I guess for the reasons I listed, no x51 zing at the top end, no hydraulic steering, less feedback, bigger wheels, longer gearing.
so it depends what better is to you. both mega cars atm and both very sort after as can bee seen every time a manual 2WD GTS comes for sale, it's gone in days.
IF I knew what I knew now, I would have sold my GT4 at £30k overs back in OCT, and bought that RPM GTS and added the bits I said. it would have cost me £35k then in total for the GTS !!!
but IF I knew what I knew now I would have bought a 997.2 RS for £90k 2 years back lol
be interesting to see how you find the GT4 engine over the 408 bhp x51 real unit ;-) an engine which should have been in a GT car from the start and I hope will be in the gen 2 GT4.
I really cannot see me keeping the GT4 long term, but it's hard to swap cars when you have to move so fast if something comes up for sale.
The GT4 does some things amazing and I love it for that, but it is still lacking and frustrating in others as listed, and does not give me the wow I wanted from it.
MrDemon said:
Mr D - One thing i found with the Gt4 that is way better is the damping ... on one of my favourite roads the GT4 is so much more "connected" over the bumps than the GTS - trouble with GTS was that sports plus was too hard a setting but great for the rev range - you needed a combo of soft suspension but high revving with the PDK ... Manual is the way forward ... Still feel in love with GT4 just not worth twice the GTS ... I think like you - i may buy a manual GTS and keep them both .... what is the realistic selling price/overs of a GT4 now ...
hahah
prob £20k if you want to act sell and not play the £30k overs waiting game with 27 other cars !
the GT4 rides like a dream, It is gob smaking how good the dampers are, but Ohlins on a GTS would do the same for £2.8k and £900 on a bypass pipe. that rids the GTS of it's 2 poor points, but keeps the other Major plus points esp that engine.
if you want to act sell and not play the £30k overs waiting game with 27 other cars !the GT4 rides like a dream, It is gob smaking how good the dampers are, but Ohlins on a GTS would do the same
for £2.8k and £900 on a bypass pipe. that rids the GTS of it's 2 poor points, but keeps the other Major plus points esp that engine.
MrDemon said:prob £20k
the GT4 rides like a dream, It is gob smaking how good the dampers are, but Ohlins on a GTS would do the same
Mr D - I am starting to understand your points ...
I did a night 30 minute drive last night in the Fog around my house so familiar roads - I am starting to understand and feel the different "balance" to the GT4 - Its road holding is way better and its "turn in" is sharper than 997 GTS but to me the engine of the GTS was better but as i have said i don't go over 4k revs at the moment so unfair comparison - GT4 feels more "special" and "focused" than GTS but i would say the GTS is quicker when in Ferrel Sports Plus mode - but again my GT4 hasn't stretched its legs yet ... so unfair comparison again ... ! 
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