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Jeremy Clarkson -wtf

Regrettably I don't think GB IS an idiot. He has managed to a) redistribute wealth in an underhand manner via stealth taxation and the infamous raid on pension funds - increasing the benefit dependent vote, b) massively increase the client state - increasing the job dependent vote, c) increase the level of surveillance and control which he desires to a level which is unacceptable in a "free" society.

Dangerous and dedicated to social change but no idiot.

Andrew W.
 
ORIGINAL: Fen

I suspect you don't like Clarkson, I further suspect that that is because of something entirely different he has said in the past that offended you and I still further suspect I can guess what that was. .....

Fen,

I afraid you are wrong as JC has said nothing to upset me at all. I am just not amused by his jokes.
 
I'm glad to hear it, but that does leave me wondering why it's such a big deal to you. I don't find Lenny Henry funny but I can't imagine giving two hoots about anything he might say.
 
This is completely ridiculous! This has nothing to do with political correctness whatsoever! The fact is this: The man is a complete charlatan and is in grave danger of being found out very soon! He's clearly been 'put in charge' of that show and it's clear to anyone with the slightest insight into human psychology that the other two presenters can see right through him. And yet they're made to continuously blow smoke up his Cotswold-dwelling, A.A.Gill- loving arse!

He makes the qualification that he supposedly has look ridiculous. A degree (or Doctorate..?!) in engineering...!? My God! Have you seen the man try to do anything remotely practical on that stupid show? Take the one where they had to put a Caterham car together; he clear didn't have a clue what he was doing and as such started to throw his toys out of his pram when he realised that James May was showing him up. He's clearly someone who's been used to having everything done for him all his life - probably by his Paddington Bear-wielding mother! And please don't tell me that it's "just for the cameras" - this particular Emperor really is naked!

Does anyone seriously believe that he has any insight into the current Labour government at all?! I doubt that he really knows much about what is going on - other than the fact that there's a bus lane on the M4. He's only making statements like this because he knows that it's the only way that people will talk about him - and it seems to be working!!

The solution? I think that someone should get hold of a bloody great big broom, get on the Central Line, go to the BBC and start getting rid of all this crap. The fact that these people are paid at all is insulting to the license-payer, let alone the sums that they get in reality.

That should do for now.
 
Adrian, like a lot of things on the telly JC plays a part by looking like a total nincompoop technically. I think you've been sucked in and obviously you're not a fan. Perhaps you and Charles could start your own program in competition and show them up for the talentless bunch that you know they are. Knock yourselves out. I know which program I shall be watching along with the rest of the people in this way too long thread.
JC....er perhaps we shouldn't use his initials like this, he might start getting the wrong idea, whoops too late. Anyway, he's not to be taken seriously and anyone who does is missing the point. Sure if you don't like someone, well there's not much anyone can do. I find myself jealous of those guys. One of, if not the, best jobs on the planet.
 

ORIGINAL: adrian996

This is completely ridiculous! This has nothing to do with political correctness whatsoever! The fact is this: The man is a complete charlatan and is in grave danger of being found out very soon! He's clearly been 'put in charge' of that show and it's clear to anyone with the slightest insight into human psychology that the other two presenters can see right through him. And yet they're made to continuously blow smoke up his Cotswold-dwelling, A.A.Gill- loving arse!

He makes the qualification that he supposedly has look ridiculous. A degree (or Doctorate..?!) in engineering...!? My God! Have you seen the man try to do anything remotely practical on that stupid show? Take the one where they had to put a Caterham car together; he clear didn't have a clue what he was doing and as such started to throw his toys out of his pram when he realised that James May was showing him up. He's clearly someone who's been used to having everything done for him all his life - probably by his Paddington Bear-wielding mother! And please don't tell me that it's "just for the cameras" - this particular Emperor really is naked!

Does anyone seriously believe that he has any insight into the current Labour government at all?! I doubt that he really knows much about what is going on - other than the fact that there's a bus lane on the M4. He's only making statements like this because he knows that it's the only way that people will talk about him - and it seems to be working!!

The solution? I think that someone should get hold of a bloody great big broom, get on the Central Line, go to the BBC and start getting rid of all this crap. The fact that these people are paid at all is insulting to the license-payer, let alone the sums that they get in reality.

That should do for now.

Can you advise what substance you are on, I would easy off its distorting your perspective. Maybe you and Charlie should both lie down in a darkened room. [:-]
 
Steady chaps - everyone is entitled to their opinions but let us not get personal please.

Top Gear is very much light entertainment. A lads car mag for the television. If you don't like it don't watch it.

Clarkson is the senior guy as it was principally his idea. Hammond and May haven't done badly by it; coming from almost complete unknowns to presenters of their own programs. I don't think we need to feel too sorry for them. As noted above, they have probably the best job in the world.

I am embarrassed to say I was impressed by NÂş10's response "He is entitled to his own opinion". They obviously take it for what it is.

Putting too much emphasis on what these people say is ridiculous. They are entertainers. They aren't important. What does it matter?

The Press IMHO is the big bad wolf here. Stirring people up unnecessarily.

As an example my father was outraged by the Brand situation because, in the way it had been reported, it seemed to imply to him Brand had suggested the grandfather was sleeping with the granddaughter. If you think about it, it is easy to get the associations mixed up and I don't think The Press were overly bothered if perhaps the wrong association was made. - Brand phoned Andrew S and left a message saying he had slept with his granddaughter - it reads both ways. I wonder how many others got the wrong end of the stick.

We see it again now with one eyed people reported as being outraged because they have been associated with Scots and idiots outraged because they have been associated with people with monocular vision. Nobody has been associated with anybody because an entertainer said so - it is The Press that has done the damage in the way they have reported it.

Edited 'cos I am rubbish at names & spelling &, seemingly, so is my spell checker.
 
Please send or post your link to your equally unbiased rant about the shabby treatment of Andrew Sachs at the hands of Johnathan Ross and Russell Brand.

Brown has one functioning eye.
Not putting his foot down (as a P.M. he has a certain amount of clout) by not demanding that schools stay open, local authorites get the roads open and getting public transport moving, perhaps by fining them more than the money they save by not having the resourses to do just that (and don't get me started on British Jobs for British Workers) makes Brown, in my opinion, and idiot.

As for being Scottish, well he is isn't he?
 
IMHO there is a fundamental difference between what was said by Brand and Ross and what Clarkson said.

Brand and Ross aimed an offensive set of remarks towards a person who was not involved in the relationship between Brand and Andrew Sach's granddaughter. Andrew Sachs, an older personality who was not in the public eye and who had no ready access to the media was not able to respond to the remarks which should not have been aired on BBc radio. I accept that Ross made a proper apology, but punishment for atrocious judgement and extreme bad taste had to follow. Brand appeared to apologise but still it appears that he still thought that his comments were funny and, as I understand it, still makes jokes about what he did. Result, greater punishment.

As for Clarkson, as I have already pointed out, GB is a senior politician, with numerous professional spin doctors at his beck and call and is well able to make public comment if he so wishes. He is Scottish, he is monocular and his idiocy [stupidity] has to be tested in the public forum of an election. Comedians have been making similar jokes for a number of years, before he entered Number 10 as permanent occupant. I really cannot see why Clarkson is being pilloried. As I recall, Rowan Atkinson spoke about the dangers of making certain comments unlawful and stifling comment and satire - do we really want to go down that route again?

Humour can aim towards current affairs [not necessarily sexual] and at those who can defend themselves or have gained notoriety. Perhaps it should not be aimed at those who are not in a position to defend themselves or are, perhaps for medical reasons, not in a position to do so. In relation to the latter, I recently saw a well-known '80's-90's comedian make a series of jokes about Baroness Thatcher, referring to her being a 'milk-snatcher' etc. During the last century, they would have gone down a wow but at the time the jokes were told there were other more relevant targets; the former President of the USA, TB, spin doctors, wars about weapons of mass destruction etc. Now, she is, sadly, a widow, has suffered a series of strokes and is obviously unwell. The jokes went down in silence and like a lead balloon and the comedian, somewhat surprised at the silence and lack of laughter said, "Oh, so you don't like those jokes now?" To which a member of the audience yelled out, "No, now pick on something more relevant." The look on his face should have been filmed.
 
Isn't the BBC funded by the license fee and not taxpayers money?

Anyway, I find these days people get offended by whatever anyone says. Its ridiculous. I think that no-one has any right to be 'offended' by anothers opinion. This misplaced sense of offense is very un-democratic and just serves to quash free and open democratic debate. This is a country of free speech, free expression and freedom of opinion (in theory at least), therefore you cannot and should not be 'offended' by anyone's personal opinions, which they have every right to have no matter how passionately you might disagree, and they have every right to express. If you disagree then you have your right to express your opinion and say so. JC is hugely popular and rightly so. His show earns a shed loads of money from the rest of the world and he is quickly becoming a 'common sense barometer' as he is one of the few people who is willing to speak up against the tide of PC nonsense. He should be applauded.
 
Fascinating how an of the cuff comment can cause so much hassle

GB Is Scottish FACT
GB Does (unfortunately)have one eye FACT
GB is an idiot hmm... its a free world in which to have an opinion last ime I looked

Just think of what Spitting image did all those years ago

They would be thrown in the Tower nowadays[:D][:D]
 
ORIGINAL: sawood12
Anyway, I find these days people get offended by whatever anyone says. Its ridiculous.

Blame Globalisation and the "cultural" exchanges that go with the thriving of communication systems.
Can't see much to do against it apart going back to the Middle Ages - wouldn't it be fun to discuss upgrading Wisigoth-designed vintage horse carriages? [;)]
 
I kind of agree with Charlie.

Personally, I find JC an amusing, intelligent, creative entertainer and writer. But, he does have slightly nasty streak that isn't evident in the likes of May and Hammond. Can imagine him in the 'Flashman' role at public school.

He might come unstruck one day though, if there is a media and public backlash - but he probably doesn't care. If Top Gear had run its course, I'm sure he would rather be banned (like Jonathan Ross) rather than simply not have a new series commissioned.

WRT Gordon Brown, that was just a cheap shot. The popular media treat politicians like idiots and most people jump on the band wagon. It wasn't long ago that Blair was the target of abuse, the Tories before that, and so on and so on. Who'd want to go into politics?
 
Having read today's Sunday Times I assume Clarkson will be pilloried to apologise to left handed people now; also Freemasons, members of Mensa, BMW, footballists, Maybach owners and the producer of Top Gear.

It made me laugh and that is principally why I read it. I have no interest in whether the BMW 730D is any good or not. Neither will be the 99.957% of the people who will also read the article and will, most likely, be as amused - unless they are left handed, Freemasons, members of Mensa, BMW, footballists, Maybach owners or the producer of Top Gear.
 
ORIGINAL: TTM
.... wouldn't it be fun to discuss upgrading Wisigoth-designed vintage horse carriages? [;)]

Indeed. But as we come forward in time little can match the clarity of line demonstrated by the 1865 J.B. Brewster Shooting Break so this is perhaps a better starting point. [:D]
 
Hi Graham. I note your thoughts.

Giving an opinion about someone's ability to present a television programme is one thing. Insinuating that someone uses drugs is another - particularly when you've no idea who you're referring to...

I was mentally preparing a retort to your drivel - but then I noticed that you drive a yellow car. Which you've borrowed money to buy.

I'd say you've got enough on your plate as it is.

Adrian.


 
ORIGINAL: adrian996

Hi Graham. I note your thoughts.

Giving an opinion about someone's ability to present a television programme is one thing. Insinuating that someone uses drugs is another - particularly when you've no idea who you're referring to...

I was mentally preparing a retort to your drivel - but then I noticed that you drive a yellow car. Which you've borrowed money to buy.

I'd say you've got enough on your plate as it is.

Adrian.

Take a chill pill Adrian, lifes too short for falling out with strangers [:D]


Edited for spelling so as not to offend [;)]
 

ORIGINAL: marlin


ORIGINAL: adrian996

Hi Graham. I note your thoughts.

Giving an opinion about someone's ability to present a television programme is one thing. Insinuating that someone uses drugs is another - particularly when you've no idea who you're referring to...

I was mentally preparing a retort to your drivel - but then I noticed that you drive a yellow car. Which you've borrowed money to buy.

I'd say you've got enough on your plate as it is.

Adrian.

Take a chill pill Adrian, lifes too short for falling out with starngers [:D]


Starngers? If I did take drugs I probably would take one! [;)]
 
ORIGINAL: John Sims

Steady chaps - everyone is entitled to their opinions but let us not get personal please.

I'll not be saying it again. If you want to start slapping each other around verbally take it off this forum.

Having a laugh about a media celeb' is one thing but direct personal comments about other forum users are not allowed.
 

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