Modified 944's
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That's what I thought, I just haven't got much of a feel for Rollcentre. I have seen their logo on the bracing bars of some decently prepared competition cars though so I was expecting them to be poor. It's something I believe you need to consider when price differentials for what would appear to be the same thing are large.
bennyboy
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944 man - are you going for the more expensive FIA/FISA spec one or the FIA national spec one? All the trimmings or just rear cage? There's always folks interested in a cage on here - group buy opportunity? Anybody interested? My preference would be FIA national spec, rear cage with door bars, and perhaps an additional horizontal bar for the harness mounts?
944 man
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Im probably going to opt for the 'National' spec. Im not sure that I would see any benefit for the extra expense and more importantly: the extra 7mm/14mm might be important inside a cabin in which everything barely fits already. Whichever I go for I will buy a complete cage, although I may only fit the rear.
Simon
xenon
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edh
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I know - I saw it last week & decided not to link to it in case it upset our more sensitive brethren [
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As if a burgundy pinstripe interior wasn't bad enough.....he goes & ruins the outside as well.....
Is that a crankcase breather do you think? - just behind the hot air intake []
Just wait until Fen sees it.... []
]As if a burgundy pinstripe interior wasn't bad enough.....he goes & ruins the outside as well.....
Is that a crankcase breather do you think? - just behind the hot air intake [
]Just wait until Fen sees it.... [
][] I've already seen it - it has its very own thread on TIPEC. What I hadn't seen was the "turbosport" decal. It's actually a nice idea (the decal only!) executed monumentally poorly with mismatched font sizes between the 2 words. The rest of it is just...
The little air filter is on the ISV pipe - I actually had one myself until I removed the ISV completely - unless you can tee it into the pipe from your air filter, or into the filter itself, there isn't a lot of option if you want to filter the air the engine uses at idle.
Doesn't it have the cutest little dump valve? Is that intended for a turbocharged r/c model? Surely it's not for a full-size car anyway. Another highlight is the relocation of the numberplate to obstruct the air-flow through the slots at the bottom of the PU.
I don't believe for a second it makes anything like 350bhp - more like 280 tops would be my guess, and I'd love to know how it's been lightened - maybe it used to be a darker colour []
] I've already seen it - it has its very own thread on TIPEC. What I hadn't seen was the "turbosport" decal. It's actually a nice idea (the decal only!) executed monumentally poorly with mismatched font sizes between the 2 words. The rest of it is just...The little air filter is on the ISV pipe - I actually had one myself until I removed the ISV completely - unless you can tee it into the pipe from your air filter, or into the filter itself, there isn't a lot of option if you want to filter the air the engine uses at idle.
Doesn't it have the cutest little dump valve? Is that intended for a turbocharged r/c model? Surely it's not for a full-size car anyway. Another highlight is the relocation of the numberplate to obstruct the air-flow through the slots at the bottom of the PU.
I don't believe for a second it makes anything like 350bhp - more like 280 tops would be my guess, and I'd love to know how it's been lightened - maybe it used to be a darker colour [
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I think 280 could even be optimistic.
I quite like the front PU (very 944 racer) but, as Fen noted, the number plate location is really bad news.
The wheels are, possibly, the nastiest design produced by Porsche in recent years but it does have the best colour interior going - or perhaps not.
This is all a bit unfortunate as, were one to remove what is without doubt the most horrible badge panel and light arrangement ever, replace the bonnet, wheels and cill appendages, you would still have a pretty unpleasant car.
A superb way of demonstrating how spending money on a car can devalue it though. I would be hard pressed to suggest it was worth £3K.
I quite like the front PU (very 944 racer) but, as Fen noted, the number plate location is really bad news.
The wheels are, possibly, the nastiest design produced by Porsche in recent years but it does have the best colour interior going - or perhaps not.
This is all a bit unfortunate as, were one to remove what is without doubt the most horrible badge panel and light arrangement ever, replace the bonnet, wheels and cill appendages, you would still have a pretty unpleasant car.
A superb way of demonstrating how spending money on a car can devalue it though. I would be hard pressed to suggest it was worth £3K.
He reckons it's a Silver Rose spec, so yes it's non-sunroof. One of 3 white ones is it?
My first Turbo was white with burgindy full pinstripe, but somehow 12 1/2 years ago that didn't seem so evil, and I like the white exterior - when not "improved" like this on anyway.
I have to agree with John in that every single thing he has done to the car has devalued it and it has to be worth much less than the sum of its parts, and about 1/2 to 1/3 what it would be worth if standard and tidy.
My first Turbo was white with burgindy full pinstripe, but somehow 12 1/2 years ago that didn't seem so evil, and I like the white exterior - when not "improved" like this on anyway.
I have to agree with John in that every single thing he has done to the car has devalued it and it has to be worth much less than the sum of its parts, and about 1/2 to 1/3 what it would be worth if standard and tidy.
pauljmcnulty
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Looks like it from pic no. 6. What a waste......
Being honest, I actually like a lot of the different bits. Just goes to show how you can ruin it by adding too much. Can't wait to see Peter's in the "flesh", I'd guess it'll be the exact opposite of this horror in that it takes a 944 to an extreme but in a good way.
sawood12
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Classic case of someone who just didn't know when to stop. I quite like the idea of the nose-panel and light arrangement, though the fit and finish could be better, but looks a little more modern and upto-date than the 924 GT kits. That bonnet is a complete and utter dogs dinner though. I wonder how much filler there is in that thing.
I think this a prime example of why mods that are purely cosmetic rather than having a function need careful consideration. To be fair if all that tat made it go faster then my car might look exactly like that, but clearly it doesn't - even if the 3 holes in the bonnet are there to "cool the turbo".
Given his location I probably know the owners of some of the other cars in pic 3 as it's been taken either at a PCGB or TIPEC meet I'd guess. It wasn't attending any Club events in the region when I was last involved and I can't place a standard white Turbo either.
Given his location I probably know the owners of some of the other cars in pic 3 as it's been taken either at a PCGB or TIPEC meet I'd guess. It wasn't attending any Club events in the region when I was last involved and I can't place a standard white Turbo either.
I have actually been asking myself why the badge panel / headlight treatment doesn't work ('cause for me is sure as Hell doesn't), and I can't really put my finger on it. The panel has slots to allow more air flow to the IC which is good - they extend too wide apart for that purpose which may or may not completely compromise their efficiency, but aesthetically the wider look is better as slots just where they are needed can look a bit like Hitler's moustache. It must be the lights. What are they from, a Supra? I guess the overall look is Nissan 300ZX which while maybe not the ugliest car ever made is hardly something to aspire to look like.
Of course maybe it would just look better if the double pinstripes on the bonnet were within 3 inches of the same place either side. The incredible lack of attention to detail in that one thing tells me the whole car has been thrown together by someone with the visual capacity of Stevie Wonder.
Edited to say I think they are 300ZX headlights.
Roll centre cage is easy to fit and yes it does work with sunroof but you need to cut the sound proofing out from under the hoop pillar to get the sun roof to fit back properly. the problem i have is that it needs welding where it meets the floor which i haven't got round to doing yet as you can't get a nut on the end of a bolt due to lack of access. i went for this as it is the only company now that make a bolt in (research i could find). i have kept all my interior so weld in wasn't an option (fire). i believe it is fine for racing in terms of apporval but i can't swear by this but for track day use it is ample. has removeable door bars and when i weld the points in i think will really stiffen up the car. it has already stiffened it up noticebaly anyway.
love the link to the 944, shows what can be done if you put your mind to it! i think he may have been inspired by paul geeris racing in holland who provided my kit as i got a bumper included like the one shown, but decided against fitting it. they also run 300zx headlight conversions but on their cars it seems to work (not my cuppa tea but better results). i think it is because of the lack of other lights.
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.964rsr.nl/images/Ron%2520Verheijen.jpg&imgrefurl=http://964rsr.nl/%3Fcat%3D6&h=301&w=450&sz=42&hl=en&start=53&um=1&usg=__mZ63AOw8dGOmXnLi7BMSaER5TXQ=&tbnid=DP--WkF6qXdbqM:&tbnh=85&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpaul%2Bgeeris%2Bracing%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN
is there ever any organised track days through this forum for 944's and other 80 / 90's porsches? also do you think it is worth me joining the porsche gb club?
love the link to the 944, shows what can be done if you put your mind to it! i think he may have been inspired by paul geeris racing in holland who provided my kit as i got a bumper included like the one shown, but decided against fitting it. they also run 300zx headlight conversions but on their cars it seems to work (not my cuppa tea but better results). i think it is because of the lack of other lights.
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.964rsr.nl/images/Ron%2520Verheijen.jpg&imgrefurl=http://964rsr.nl/%3Fcat%3D6&h=301&w=450&sz=42&hl=en&start=53&um=1&usg=__mZ63AOw8dGOmXnLi7BMSaER5TXQ=&tbnid=DP--WkF6qXdbqM:&tbnh=85&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpaul%2Bgeeris%2Bracing%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN
is there ever any organised track days through this forum for 944's and other 80 / 90's porsches? also do you think it is worth me joining the porsche gb club?
944 man
Active member
I too had a very nice Alpine White and burgundy series two, of which I was extremely fond. It had 'half leather' though which also covered the head rest area, so it was a little more steady. Full burgundy pinstripe sports bolsters are just too much.
With regards to the rest of the abortion of a car: Ive said my piece elsewhere.
just for clarity, that's the sound proofing at the bottom of the hoop post where it meets the floor that needs to be cut. i think someone asked for build pics but I am afraid i didn't take any for the roll cage. got a few for the kit install which was a nightmare and i would be happy to pass on my experience if anyone is thinking about doing this. taking an angle grinder to your beautiful paintwork is the first hurdle you need to get over! the roll cage goes in with the front seats in place but is quite fiddly but can be done. very easy to do if you remove the front seats though. i suspect it would work if you wanted to keep the rears in also as the posts will squeeze down the sides. don't know why you would want to keep them though! nothing needs to be cut or modified on the dash board which is another reason i went for roll centre as i think you need to cut through the heater vents for safety devices or custom cages.
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