Neil Haughey
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Thats because you can still breath, enough acceleration is when the car is so fast you struggle to breath hence the body provides the practical limit.
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I guess there's also a perception thing as time progresses. In other words we are used to greater speed, power, handling nowdays more than the past. It's a little like nudity and swearing on TV. Look at how much there is now everywhere and we have become acclimatised to it. We get in cars that 10 or 15 years ago would have got us bugeyed and now we don't bat an eyelid. Time huh? I wonder if I can sue God on the basis that time is making me spend way too much on my car???
Neil Haughey
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I can see Fen and Brett talking about NOS kits etc.
Hilux
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Yup, thats me. Better suspension and brakes is worth say 50 bhp on track and another 50 ish will do me, however I feel a bigger turbo will increase torque??
Ditto comment above.
Under heavy braking when I matched the revs as the engine dropped into max torque area the engine braking started to lock the wheels [
] the brakes were perfectly balanced so I know it was not over braked on the rears BUT it could have been a weight thing as mine was one of only two G27`s that had a V8 shoe horned in, the cars that were designed for the V8, the G33`s, were a bigger more weighty and ponderous car.
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If I had known then what I know now I could have just bought a decent 2nd hand GT3 and be done with it. [
Except that for instance my car has similar power and lots more torque than a GT3 plus equal weight front and rear. Brake and suspension upgrades on a GT3 are more expensive than on a 944 and engine upgrades would be very pricey. I would hope that for the price of a 2nd hand GT3 you could have a very special 944 indeed.
Of course when it came to selling the GT3 would be easier to move on - funny old world
Tony
Maybe you needed to experience it on a winding B-road in the wet rather than the uber smooth roads around silverstone
Funnily enough in isolation my car doesnt feel that quick (though stepping into it after 3 weeks in a diesel Patrol helps) but when you look at the way you can pass long lines of traffic or mix it with superbikes and supercars it must be. I think its because its so capable you have to be accelerating up to 150 or approaching a solid object to realise you are really moving.
Tony
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Hi All,
It is important to understand where the peak torque occurs. I can use my own car as an example. Peak torque on my car appears about 1000 rpm lower down compared to Mark K's. Mark K's car makes maximum torque at about 5,000 rpm which is where you need it for the fastest acceleration - this is one of the reasons why his car accelerates so quickly. [
Regards,
Andrew
I am not sure I agree with this :- if you had no torque at 4500 rpm and then peak at 5,000 of say 450ftlbs and then none at 5,100 you would need an automatic gearbox to gain any benefit.
To accelarate quickly you need a torque curve that is closer to being flat across the engine range you want to work in - decided by the gearing and max revs you are going to run the engine to.
To feel like you are going quickly you can be flat off boost and then ramp up to higher levels giving you a kick in the back old school turbo stylee, unfortunately you will by now be playing catch up with those who started accelerating sooner. Admitedly on track you are less likely to drop down the revs but unless you are customizing your gearing for each circuit you still may suffer in some corners.
Tony
graphs should be here http://www.cannell.co.uk/944%20UK%20League.htm but they are not they show the previous year when it was much closer to standard (and leaking boost) Rick? just noticed the hit counter is on 944,xxx - nice
no graphs here either (as far as I can see) though there is a pic of Marks lovely car http://www.promaxmotorsport.com/ click on level 4 I also note there is no boost level indicated where it says they will verify the 400BHP.
Tony
Ps is the polished finished standard or extra?
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Maybe you needed to experience it on a winding B-road in the wet rather than the uber smooth roads around silverstone
I did experience it on the road - windy and wet quite often. I did 5,000 miles in it between August and May and only 2 track sessions, one of which was an evening where I started late and was black flagged for noise so finished early.
What I want is something that feels fast with no frame of reference - it's push in the back I'm after not overtaking punch or reeeling corners in quickly.
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ORIGINAL: AndrewS
Hi All,
It is important to understand where the peak torque occurs. I can use my own car as an example. Peak torque on my car appears about 1000 rpm lower down compared to Mark K's. Mark K's car makes maximum torque at about 5,000 rpm which is where you need it for the fastest acceleration - this is one of the reasons why his car accelerates so quickly. [
Regards,
Andrew
I am not sure I agree with this :- if you had no torque at 4500 rpm and then peak at 5,000 of say 450ftlbs and then none at 5,100 you would need an automatic gearbox to gain any benefit.
To accelarate quickly you need a torque curve that is closer to being flat across the engine range you want to work in - decided by the gearing and max revs you are going to run the engine to.
To feel like you are going quickly you can be flat off boost and then ramp up to higher levels giving you a kick in the back old school turbo stylee, unfortunately you will by now be playing catch up with those who started accelerating sooner. Admitedly on track you are less likely to drop down the revs but unless you are customizing your gearing for each circuit you still may suffer in some corners.
Tony
I wasn't comfortable with the assertion it's power rather than torque you need on track, but when I started to reply my head began to hurt.
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