ProMAX Level 4
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Its around 21psi but creeps up to 21.5, I believe its third, not that car but on another 944t we did a 3rd and 4th gear run, graphs could be overlayed, I believe that run was 3rd, but Mark or Andrew could probably fill us in.
Tony
this car
Which is on a standard AFM, K26/8 and standard exhaust only makes around 320BHP but lots of torque at 18psi.
I wish we had found what it would do with a MAF and ball race turbo, but unfortunately the owner decided to sell before we found out - he regretted it almost every day since
Tony
Which is on a standard AFM, K26/8 and standard exhaust only makes around 320BHP but lots of torque at 18psi.
I wish we had found what it would do with a MAF and ball race turbo, but unfortunately the owner decided to sell before we found out - he regretted it almost every day since
Tony
stage 4 includes
ProMAX Level 3 Performance Kit - £7999.95
I believe the exact details are a closely guarded secret,
However my guess is Lindsey turbo, head, intake manifold, hard pipes, IC, SFR 4" exhaust adapted to fit RHD, Map sensor from another german manufacturer with custom piggyback, injectors - I hope uprated fuel pump, not sure which HG probably cometic, air filter and custom intake pipe for larger turbo.
Fitting and tuning.
- ProMAX Motorsport - home to some of the most powerful 944 Turbo's in the UK announce the 2006 evolution Level 4 Kit! 441.9 bhp and 391.2 lbft (401.9 bhp and 334 lbft when tested at the WRC Silverstone Dyno Dynamics Facility).
- Uprated Turbocharger, Intake, Stage 3 Cylinder Head and Customised exhaust system.
- 3.0 Bar MAP Sensor with specially adapted and integrated MAP system.
- Only available to order and exclusively fitted by ProMAX Motorsport in the UK at the Milton Keynes Performance & Service Centre.
- Guaranteed 400+ bhp (NOTE: subject to your car being in suitable condition to start with) Click here to view a larger picture.
ProMAX Level 3 Performance Kit - £7999.95
I believe the exact details are a closely guarded secret,
However my guess is Lindsey turbo, head, intake manifold, hard pipes, IC, SFR 4" exhaust adapted to fit RHD, Map sensor from another german manufacturer with custom piggyback, injectors - I hope uprated fuel pump, not sure which HG probably cometic, air filter and custom intake pipe for larger turbo.
Fitting and tuning.
What does that cost in US $$ ? Is that euro $10k or $16k?
I would say, they could move the torque curve to the left if they got rid of the short tube intake runners. I had that on my street car for a couple weeks and a dyno pull before going back to a modded stock manifold with larger t-body.
I would say, they could move the torque curve to the left if they got rid of the short tube intake runners. I had that on my street car for a couple weeks and a dyno pull before going back to a modded stock manifold with larger t-body.
Hilux
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Thats my view too.
Power is a function of torque, without torque there is no power. A flat linear (high as possible) torque `curve` is the better compromise for grunt throughout the range. For fast acceleration the engine characteristics are to place the max torque in a small area and generate max power in the higher rev band however this only really works above 5252rpm on 4 pot engines.
Essentially it's a Lindsey kit which I'm sure is ok, if not a little bit behind on some aspects. Sounds a bit pricey for what you get but that's what people say of the Vitesse kits too and there are fans of that product. I'm sure soon for that kind of money there will be other kits that are a lot more comprehensive for quite a bit more power or are a lot cheaper for the same sort of numbers.
If you have the skill to do it yourself it'll always work out cheaper than getting someone else to do it, but either way you pay your money & take your choice. I think most commenting on here clearly prefer to do it step by step & learn it for themselves. I don't think this product is aimed at people like that.
It seems to me that for your 8k you're not buying a specific list of parts, fitted, you're buying the guarantee. I guess they'd fit whatever parts it took to achieve that & it's a serving suggestion, not a menu. If you want more low end torque & are prepared to spend the money I'm sure they'd do that too & charge you accordingly, just as any other similar company would.
Anyone know how much it would cost to buy a 3.2 fitted & running (regardless of specific power)? Jon?
There are many ways to come up with 400rwhp. Displacement and proper turbo for improved low end or stock motor and ring its neck with a large turbo.
Regardless of which way you do it, it comes down to parts, labor and $$. The reason why I asked what comes with the kit is because I want to know what I'm getting for the money. I'm also curious to know if they are doing it right. By that, I mean, are they using the proper supporting parts to help the motor withstand the extra power.
A guarantee that it makes 400hp is great but I would rather a guarantee that it will make 400hp and survive. I wear rate doubles when you start boosting high.
I can find you a huge turbo that will force a ton of air through your retricted stock head/intake/t-body/stock cam etc.. and make 400rwhp. You would also have to run your engine at a rpm it was never intended to run at. Thats easy or would you rather I build you the proper motor and use a smaller turbo and run less boost and run the engine at a lower rpm?
For the record, I'm not downing the product. I'm just trying to educate myself. My questions were to find out what you get for the $$.
As far as a 3.2ltr price goes. Why stop there? You can build a 3.4lt turbo with stand alone ems and turbo for $20-25k(us). It could cost more or less it depends on 8v or 16v head/cams and exhaust and intake parts.
ps - that should put you in the 600rwhp club with low boost.
I think you've probably answered your own question there [
] Any mods to an 18YO car are going to be either really expensive or at the expense of component life. In this case we (the community) are reliant on the experiences of those that have already done it, and in both Paul & Mark's cases their experiences are extremely positive.I'm not upping it either, as far as I'm concerned it's more money than I'd be prepared to spend on my car regardless of the amount of benefit it would give, pure & simple.
If I were in a position where I wanted a car to take my breath away I would scrimp & save to buy a lambo, however I'm lazy so to feel breathless I just smoke a lot [
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sawood12
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I don't think the Vitesse product is particularly overpriced - it's not cheap, but £2k (thanks to the weak dollar) for a kit that gives to a decent turbo, MAF kit, programmable Piggy Back, semi-sequential fuel injection is a good price. To get a half decent turbo alone typically costs at least £1k. I think after the Vitesse kit the law of deminishing returns really kicks in:-
Vitesse Stage 3 kit £2k & 350bhp
Promax Stage 4 kit £8k & 400bhp
Jon Mitchel 3.2 ltr special £10k+ & over 400bhp
The beauty of the Vitesse kit is not necessarily the headline power and torque figures but the drivability of the kit and the fact it is virtually a plug & play solution that works with stock intake manifold, cam and throttle body, also the ease of tuning via the piggy back system. Also it is a kit that will grow with any future mods you might install. And judging by the number of people using it in the states perfectly reliably it appears not to overstress the mechanicals of the engine. Whichever way you look at it is appears to be a decent piece of kit.
Vitesse Stage 3 kit £2k & 350bhp
Promax Stage 4 kit £8k & 400bhp
Jon Mitchel 3.2 ltr special £10k+ & over 400bhp
The beauty of the Vitesse kit is not necessarily the headline power and torque figures but the drivability of the kit and the fact it is virtually a plug & play solution that works with stock intake manifold, cam and throttle body, also the ease of tuning via the piggy back system. Also it is a kit that will grow with any future mods you might install. And judging by the number of people using it in the states perfectly reliably it appears not to overstress the mechanicals of the engine. Whichever way you look at it is appears to be a decent piece of kit.
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