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The answer for RMS problems?

ORIGINAL: Helen Goff

seems to me these matters are related in as much as we are seeking the same answers from the same people i think we would do alot better to unite in this matter.

indeed.... we are all here trying to solve the cars problems we are having.... I am sure we can all work together on this !



personally I think we should ALL drive to Porsche GB and surround their HQ with our cars and dont let them out till they offer a solution to the problem.. [:-] [:D]
 
Nic, wasn't me gov. i infact responded that it was a problem i was not aware off.

from what you say it sounds like you were aware and have infact included it in your report to Porsche.


i think we as a club need to remember we are a club of Porsche owner/customers and we are not here for the benifit of porsche. if they don't like what we say then they have the choice to do something about it or loose us as customers. there are other cars out there who want our business and money.
 
i think we as a club need to remember we are a club of Porsche owner/customers and we are not here for the benifit of porsche. if they don't like what we say then they have the choice to do something about it or loose us as customers. there are other cars out there who want our business and money.

Absolutely agree!

I was very forceful and passionate in the meeting with them, just ask JCB!

Indeed he was! (JCB..)
 
ORIGINAL: Helen Goff

i think we as a club need to remember we are a club of Porsche owner/customers and we are not here for the benifit of porsche. if they don't like what we say then they have the choice to do something about it or loose us as customers. there are other cars out there who want our business and money.

Well said Helen
 
Can i sugest we put a hold on this thread for a few weeks. We are now at page 13, and at the cuurent rate there will be another 4 pages of toing and froing before we get a response from Porsche.

I appreciate some people are more affected by this than others, but rabbiting on with various information from other sources / forums / dealers will not enlighten Porsche anymore than they already are.

We are all pleased that the RMS problem has been presented and discussed with Porsche GB representatives. Lets wiat for the response.

If we don't like it we can rabbit again.[:D]

<flame suit on>
 
ORIGINAL: NicD

By the way you dont seem to be a Club member?

I think what Nic means is as it says "Non Member" by your name, you need to confirm your Membership Number and Forum Name to Sophia at Club HQ (email forum@porscheclubgb.com ) This should be a one-time fix, and will also allow you access to the member-only areas of the Forum.
 
ORIGINAL: Black80XSA

Can i sugest we put a hold on this thread for a few weeks. We are now at page 13, and at the cuurent rate there will be another 4 pages of toing and froing before we get a response from Porsche.

I appreciate some people are more affected by this than others, but rabbiting on with various information from other sources / forums / dealers will not enlighten Porsche anymore than they already are.

We are all pleased that the RMS problem has been presented and discussed with Porsche GB representatives. Lets wiat for the response.

If we don't like it we can rabbit again.[:D]

<flame suit on>

David
Cannot agree with your first the comment - we are all learning and at the same time some members may well be collating 'evidence' that may well help them in court.

I do think the suggestions / thoughts from members on what we should do at this stage with Porsche are premature. As I see it will be a long debate but we need to remember is it is our chosen marque and I for one would sooner work with Porsche, through the club, than be on the outside of a firmly closed door[;)]
 
Folks,
I have to be very careful in what I say so I can't add very much more to the subject of discussion at the moment.

However I can say that through my own proceedings to have my car's problems sorted by Porsche UK I am now
having it faught through two avenues. Hopefully one of them will come to fruit. The first is through my
own effort, the second is through the (greatly appreciated) efforts of pcgb.

I do think the discussion should go on. We are all learning things from it....including Porsche UK (do they read this stuff?).
But I also think that you would all benefit much more by using your keyboard to type up a letter to Porsche UK
to express your own dissatisfaction rather than rant about it here.

The work being done here and the work that "could" be done by yourselves, I am certain
would help our collective cause.
 
Guys,

just learnt today we have a meeting with Porsche Cars towards the end of the month on a different topic, but I have requested to add the engine problem discussion to the agenda. I will let you know if we do, but as always, I will be careful what I write on this public forum.

Just to re-enforce what was said above, the more everyone as individuals lobby Porsche directly and through their OPC, the more that the Club's efforts will be bolstered.
 
There's an interesting set of statements in the article "996 3.4 Carrera 2" of September 2004 "GT Purely Porsche" mag.
Page 114: What to look for

"When it come to the 996's water-cooled flat-six, you should pay particular attention to its condition. Oil
leaks are common when the seals are changed due to distorted casings....."


"Much has also been made of the 996's appetite for engines. A problem with the Lokasil process that
sees the highly porous silicon liner cast into the alloy block, has resulted in the liner material part
company with the local. The only remedy is a new engine, but Porsche are not exactly playing ball with
owners' claims for a replacement powerplant."
 
Here's a disturbing thread to read long but very worrying.....

http://www.911uk.com/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=12&TopicID=2280&PagePosition=1
 
IS THERE ONE? [:eek:] 13 pages 254 replies / comments so far, and I can't even sniff an answer yet!

I think the thread title needs some fine tuning [&o]
 
ORIGINAL: Nigel Cooper

Bob

As I see it the answer is the same as contained within

http://www.pca.org/tech/tech_qa_question.asp?id={B738E959-75EE-4A34-A8A4-F932CFBE81F2}

we just have to wait Porsche getting to that point[;)]

Nigel

I tried your link above and got the following answer within:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: Which says it all but in secret shhhhh code [;)]

Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e21'

ODBC driver does not support the requested properties.

/tech/tech_qa_question.asp, line 14
 
I finally got a final answer from Porsche UK regarding my multiple RMS problem
and my threat of legal action.

I won't go into my gearbox problem in any great detail except to say they will only offer me a 50% good-will offer
for a 996 that had done only 30,000 miles :-(
The basics are the car was not bought from the UK dealership, it's a C16 UK spec import. So they don't
feel that it is their responsibility. The car is out of warranty but they feel they are being "more than fair"
by offereing 50% (cost to me of £3000) when they don't legally have to offer anything (according to PUK).
(BTW: I wrote to PAG months ago but never got a reply. I even offered to drive it to Stuttgart to have
them fix it if required.)

In regards to my RMS problems, they said the only thing I can do now is take it up with the
OPC that did the RMS replacements as Porsche UK (Reading) cannot direct or force them
to replace.repair the RMS for me. They said that the OPC is a franchise business and while
PUK can offer to provide some good-will in certain circumstances they cannot force
a service center to carry the repairs out. My original 1st RMS was done under good-will where I had to
pay £237 towards costs. Since then all the others have been done under warranty. The guy
at Porsche Reading said that it is unfortunate and surprising that Porsche Mann Island in Liverpool
didn't follow the recceomended procedure using the mandrel but since they haven't the only
thing to do now is to down the gearbox and check/repair it again. But they are asking me to pay for this
since Porsche Mann Island won't do it gratis and Porsche UK won't foot the bill (depsite 3 other RMSs
being fitted under warranty). Furthermore, while they have asked Porsche Mann Island to
consider fixing this under warranty they cannot force them to do it. I asked that if and when
the RMS is checked again, they should find from the test result that my engine block is warped,
who will pay for the replacement engine. He said that it would go through the good-will process.
I asked if that meant me paying 50% like the gearbox. He said he cannot comment on what good-will,
if any, will be offered but yes it would probably be 50%. However since the car is out of warranty,
they don't legally have to offer anything. "If" they offer any good-will it will be offered out of the goodness
of their commitment to supporting Porsche customers.

As for the PCGB RMS Survey, I discussed this in detail with the chap at Reading (Mr Phil Hattam). He said
that this survey was not conducted by Porche UK or PAG so while the results "may be interesting to PCGB members" they
are not a true indication of any problem and there is no evidence from Porsche's data that the problem
is so prevelant. He said that if there was as many cars with this problem as the Survey so purveys then they
would have been called back so the Survey results should be seen to bare no meaning.

All up it is clear to me that in the UK, Porsche UK are a waste of time dealing with since according to them
the OPC is the interface we must deal with. And as for my car, well I think PAG produce
crap technology that we should not be investing in, they don't answer their letters and they don't back up their customers.
While my car drives like no other, the "Porsche experience" is extremely tainted by the "bad customer experience"
and it is one which I do not wish upon anyone. So the slogan "there is no substitute" is hearsay as I
will certainly substitute all of this, the car, the bad experience, the expense for a better deal in another marque....
Aston Martin AMV8 springs to mind [:)]

Finally, it is also evident to me that PCGB despite their greatest efforts with this survey are dealing with a rather
thick and obscure wall called Porsche UK who simply won't be broken down despite being threatened with legal action.
I would not be betting that it will get us anywhere. I sincerely hope I am wrong.

There you have it.
 
Berny

Thanks for the update.

I am very interested in the comment about our returned survey results not matching Porsche predictions. Does that mean the PCGB members not only drive 'Porkers' but tell them also? Or does it mean that being a PCGB member increases your risk of developing a RMS leak?

Before sounding off I will wait the outcome of the "Official Statement"

JCB..
 

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