Helen Goff
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isn't there a oil that is thin when hot and gets thicker as it cools????
if not then there should be[
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if not then there should be[
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Helen Goff
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that knocked my theory on the head then...hay hoo back to the drawing board
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This problem may be similar to the one I have had with a VW derived 4 cylinder engine used in a light aeroplane The VW engine is an original Porsche design, and many of the parts are interchangeable. Over a period of time the crankcase distorts misaligns the crankshaft and causes the engine to tighten up when hot. From the time this starts to occur you have about 500 hours to fix it before the starter motor can't turn the engine over quickly enoughto start it, although it's not accompanied by oil leaks. It might be because of the way that the engine is suspended, (cantilevered). The only solution seems to be replacing the crankcase halves which solves the problem for about 1000 hours or so, our last replacement cost us around £5000.
You may or may not find the above relevant, but I am very interested to know what mileage I can expect RMS problems to start happening on my 2000 2.7 Boxster with 30,000 miles, and how much it will cost to fix? Replacing the seal alone seems to me to be only an interim solution.
Any advice would be appreciated.
You may or may not find the above relevant, but I am very interested to know what mileage I can expect RMS problems to start happening on my 2000 2.7 Boxster with 30,000 miles, and how much it will cost to fix? Replacing the seal alone seems to me to be only an interim solution.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Helen Goff
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sounds to me like you are one of the lucky ones whose got a Boxster without this problem. my 2000 Boxster with 43K on the clock has had to have two RMS replacements cost is about £500ish but make a fuss and they may take pitty on you. as for when to expect it to happen. well there dosn't seem to be any rules. i've known nearly new cars have to have the RMS replaced then theres cars like yours that don't ever seem to suffer. so keep your fingers crossed and look out for tell tell spots of oil on your garage floor. but don't worry about it.
Helen Goff
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BTW my car was fine untill it was into it's second year. then the replacement needed changing about a year later[][]
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Black80XSA
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Nice idea Helen, got me thinking about the article in this months PP about Liqui-Moly additive to stop oil leak on 964 (page 92/93 - Aleaxander Drobik )
Not quite sure what Porsche would say about its use, but if you're out of warranty, and no goodwill then might be a short term (ie six month) solution, if only to defer the repair costs.
Taken from LM website - www.liqui-moly.de Under Additives, Oils, Cars
'' Oil Leak Stop ''
Puts an end to oil patches contaminating the environment both on the road and in the garage. Oil Leak Stop regenerates rubber and plastic engine seals and reduces oil consumption via the piston rings (due to constant visco-sity) and via valve guides (due to regenerated seals). Prevents blue smoke in the exhaust gases. Compensates for a drop in viscosity and reduces engine noise.
Operational area: Suitable for all petrol and Diesel engines and compatible with all commercially available engine oils. 300 ml is sufficient for 3 -- 4 litres of engine oil. Sealing first takes effect after about 600 -- 800 km.
Not quite sure what Porsche would say about its use, but if you're out of warranty, and no goodwill then might be a short term (ie six month) solution, if only to defer the repair costs.
Taken from LM website - www.liqui-moly.de Under Additives, Oils, Cars
'' Oil Leak Stop ''
Puts an end to oil patches contaminating the environment both on the road and in the garage. Oil Leak Stop regenerates rubber and plastic engine seals and reduces oil consumption via the piston rings (due to constant visco-sity) and via valve guides (due to regenerated seals). Prevents blue smoke in the exhaust gases. Compensates for a drop in viscosity and reduces engine noise.
Operational area: Suitable for all petrol and Diesel engines and compatible with all commercially available engine oils. 300 ml is sufficient for 3 -- 4 litres of engine oil. Sealing first takes effect after about 600 -- 800 km.
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Al
Can I take it you have followed through the link to the Porsche USA web site as shown in my first message on this subject? From my research they are well ahead of us with the issue and appear to have a solution from Porsche.
Subject to the response our team get back from Porsche following their meeting of last Tuesday, I am happy to think that the problem is as described in that forum. I would also hope that Porsche UK will treat PCGB members the same as they do in the States - i.e. test and where necessary replace the engine - there can be no other answer.
Can I take it you have followed through the link to the Porsche USA web site as shown in my first message on this subject? From my research they are well ahead of us with the issue and appear to have a solution from Porsche.
Subject to the response our team get back from Porsche following their meeting of last Tuesday, I am happy to think that the problem is as described in that forum. I would also hope that Porsche UK will treat PCGB members the same as they do in the States - i.e. test and where necessary replace the engine - there can be no other answer.
Black80XSA
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New engines might keep the Us customers happy, but carry no more guarantee than just a seal change. Ok if you have a duff casings then all the seals in the world will not solve it, but there is no better chance that the new engine will be any different.
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David
Not too sure I follow your last point.
The objective in this issue is to surely get an engine that will last for a reasonable life without the need to replace the RMS prematurely because of "duff casings".
If that is the case even Porsche (and I am assuming now) when replacing an engine will ensure that they do not swop one duffer for another[]
Not too sure I follow your last point.
The objective in this issue is to surely get an engine that will last for a reasonable life without the need to replace the RMS prematurely because of "duff casings".
If that is the case even Porsche (and I am assuming now) when replacing an engine will ensure that they do not swop one duffer for another[
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Black80XSA
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Nigel,
if you read enuff of the articles on Renntech or ppbb it appears that some of the people who have had replacement engines, still get RMS leaks. One guy has had three engines !
In hindsight, you probably do stand a better chance with a new engine, but it is not guaranteed. If it was, we wouldn't still be seeing failures.
if you read enuff of the articles on Renntech or ppbb it appears that some of the people who have had replacement engines, still get RMS leaks. One guy has had three engines !
In hindsight, you probably do stand a better chance with a new engine, but it is not guaranteed. If it was, we wouldn't still be seeing failures.
Black80XSA
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Afraid so Chris,
Despite numerous seal redesigns the problem still persists.
At least you have two years of not having to worry about paying the bill(s) if it(they) arise.
Despite numerous seal redesigns the problem still persists.
At least you have two years of not having to worry about paying the bill(s) if it(they) arise.
[FONT=Trebuchet MS"]No according to Larry that Black stuff that thickens when it cools is your custard.[&:]
Sorry couldn't resist that one.
All oils thin as they get hot even the sythetic ones Helen. The rating on the side of the container tells you the answer, it,s called viscosity. Make sure you pick the right one for your car and driving conditions.
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kenwardc
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Hi there
Yeah - Two years is a miserably short warranty period in this day and age and especially for a car supposedly the quality of our Porsche cars. Perhaps the extended warranty will be the answer, taken out, I am guessing, just before the Porsche warranty expires.
Regards
Chris
Yeah - Two years is a miserably short warranty period in this day and age and especially for a car supposedly the quality of our Porsche cars. Perhaps the extended warranty will be the answer, taken out, I am guessing, just before the Porsche warranty expires.
Regards
Chris
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David
Thanks for the update and no, I have not come across a failure following engine replacement on the sites that I view. Accepting what you say I find it mind bogglingly incredible that Porsche would replace a 'duff lump' with yet another. IMO if that is the case we need to seriously re think where we spend our hard earned. []
What I can say on a positive note is thank goodness for the The Sale of Goods Act 1979 and The Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Reg's 2002 - which provides a legal right choose repair, replacement etc if a fault appears within 6 years (5 in Scotland) and it is reasonable for goods to last that long. []
In the meantime (like many others) I will patiently await (with some anxiety) results from Tuesdays meeting with Porsche. [8|]
Thanks for the update and no, I have not come across a failure following engine replacement on the sites that I view. Accepting what you say I find it mind bogglingly incredible that Porsche would replace a 'duff lump' with yet another. IMO if that is the case we need to seriously re think where we spend our hard earned. [
]What I can say on a positive note is thank goodness for the The Sale of Goods Act 1979 and The Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Reg's 2002 - which provides a legal right choose repair, replacement etc if a fault appears within 6 years (5 in Scotland) and it is reasonable for goods to last that long. [
]In the meantime (like many others) I will patiently await (with some anxiety) results from Tuesdays meeting with Porsche. [8|]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS"]Apparently amongst a number of Carrera GT's being PDI'd down at Reading there is an 03 reg Boxster with its engine in bits. Wonder why?
They wonder if the V10 will fit?[
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