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The modifications continue - Manthey coilovers incoming...

I love my MR suspension (installed after v positive review from TDT); I am also loving my RPM installed lower final drive. V max is now only c.160mph enough for the end of Kemmel and acceleration in 1st and second to 70 mph has improved considerably!

Come on, you know you want to do just one more mod once the shocks are installed - hope you enjoy them as much as I have.
 
Ha ha, cheers Richard - I'm sure I will šŸ˜

I've never had a problem with the gearing of the manual gearbox and find it absolutely fine as it is. I believe shortening the gearing screws up the autoblip system - is that true? If so, then I definitely wouldn't want to mess with that. While I enjoy heel and toe sessions on the road, it's nice not to have to do it on track.
 
Dave, Autoblip works absolutely fine on the road and on circuits and hill climbs! RPM installed it and promised me that this would be the case. I too could not live without it as I all my competitors run pdks. I know Chris' did not work properly but don't know why (and he didn't really care).

It has def improved my 0-60 times and about 0.15s for my 0-64ft times (2.2 vs 2.35) and improved my PB at Loton by c0.5s (total time 57.95). This also despite binning the lightweight flywheel for OEM standard.

I am going to switch to my 20" tyres for next outing as I am limited to c71mph in 2nd and could do with 74 and so there may be just a little bit more.

Benefits higher up in gears are much less clear as there is big gear overlap, so maybe less relevant in a track day but great for sprints and road driving!

Mind you - it's not cheap.
 
Great info, thanks! I totally get why you'd make the change for what you do, I'm not sure it's worth it for my use where I'm not chasing absolute outright speed/time. But I'll bear it in mind for sure (y)
 
the final drives ruins the gearing imo. Best way at that money is just do the gear box right and swap all the cogs, Or buy a PDK car esp for hill climbs.

"all my competitors run pdks." for a reason :)
 
The day has finally come - I dropped off my car for its Manthey coilover upgrade first thing this morning :cool: I'm expecting to get it back a week on Friday (my OPC wanted plenty of time to get the work done and the car set up) and as I'm in no rush I'm fine with that. The kit gets installed first, then the OPC is borrowing the setup gear from a local Porsche racing specialist to dial in the Manthey specific settings and corner weighting etc. I'm hoping to get a copy of the details for reference, but I know Manthey can be funny about that kind of thing. I'll speak to the service guys I know nicely though and see what I can get ;)

It'll be a slow couple of weeks from here I think! :LOL:
 
all that money charged and "OPC is borrowing the setup gear " it's a joke this shit,

but never mind the car will be amazing if they know how to use this " borrowed setup gear " !!! it's 2 days work so 2 weeks is again daft. Fit the shocks geo it !
 
It is what it is. The workshop is really busy at the moment and I doubt it'll take the full 2 weeks, they just wanted to make sure they had plenty of time in case any extra parts are required, any hiccups occur, the technician is ill or needed on anything more urgent (only one is Manthey trained) etc. I'd rather they didn't rush it and got it right, YMMV of course. The price to me doesn't change however many days they have it and I don't need the car day to day so it doesn't matter.

As for borrowing the setup gear, as I understand it OPCs don't have what they need to do a full detailed and/or accurate setup - I think they need the gear that attaches directly to the hubs rather than the more normal wheel attachments?. This is why no-one chooses them for a geo over a specialist like Centre Gravity or String Theory ;)
 
Manthey approved must mean they have the gear !! the 4RS shocks are Ā£17k as an example, but they cannot set it up lol
 
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The Manthey set up equipment is circa Ā£20k and not all Centres can justify the investment, hence use of othersā€™ facilities. However ā€˜evenā€™ Parr bring the equipment to a trackday where they are supporting customers e.g on one of my Silverstone days last year
 
"not all Centres can justify the investment"

Don't sell it then. I don't want to buy cable testers but I have to, to test cables ! I thought it was only select OPC's getting MR approved anyway not every OPC. imo it's a joke they cannot set a car up, a MR kit for the 4RS is Ā£54k , GT2 was what Ā£85k. They can justify it really, it's not Ā£20k to the OPC is it, more like 10k the 1st job pays for it already.
 
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The Manthey set up equipment is circa Ā£20k and not all Centres can justify the investment, hence use of othersā€™ facilities. However ā€˜evenā€™ Parr bring the equipment to a trackday where they are supporting customers e.g on one of my Silverstone days last year
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This is correct, my OPC shares the gear across all the Centres in the group and they are charged if they want to use it. It's cheaper to get the gear from a local race team who they have close ties to, which is what they are doing in my case.

Sounds perfectly sensible to me.
 
Just as Ralph says the set up equipment is very expensive... and the main benefits are:

- that its easily transportable,
- you can set up a flat patch almost literally anywhere and then
- it allows the tech to do camber, toes, casters and corner-weights all together with live updates to the tablet without having to roll /lift the car on and off the patch etc.

Of course it's just a tool - so really you need someone that knows what they are doing to get the best of it. You don't actually need the setup kit... but it makes the OPCs job easier and of course it's what Manthey specify.
Manthey will be sending over their paint by numbers setup as they now do with Porsche Centres - so it will all be with a safe/mild range still.
As I've said before as you get used to the car and develop as a drive you may end up progress yourself with the setup.

You don't necessarily need the kit after that.... Lots of indy's now just charge you extra for the privilege of sitting on the kit. lol -

I'm waiting for a few things to confirm, but I might end up moving to the updated MR spring package for sticker tyres.
Most of the continental guys have moved to it now and it seems to make quite a difference for them.
 
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Yep, cheers T. I just want to get the base setup specs so I know where I'm going from. After that, I'll tweak as needed by any decent geo place.
 
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TBH it's not really that complicated - once you have it.... just concentrate on the driving.
I've got my ideal setup, cambers, casters, toe and ride heights.
These days I only change my damper settings one way or the other... low speed compression +1 or 2 - depending on the circuit and conditions. Other than that.... it's back to the soft bit behind the wheel.... and I keep finding time!.
 
Yep, I'm not planning on messing with anything for a while. I'm going to leave things as they come for the rest of the year and see how I get on...
 
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Just as Ralph says the set up equipment is very expensive... and the main benefits are:

- that its easily transportable,
- you can set up a flat patch almost literally anywhere and then
- it allows the tech to do camber, toes, casters and corner-weights all together with live updates to the tablet without having to roll /lift the car on and off the patch etc.

Of course it's just a tool - so really you need someone that knows what they are doing to get the best of it. You don't actually need the setup kit... but it makes the OPCs job easier and of course it's what Manthey specify.
Manthey will be sending over their paint by numbers setup as they now do with Porsche Centres - so it will all be with a safe/mild range still.
As I've said before as you get used to the car and develop as a drive you may end up progress yourself with the setup.

You don't necessarily need the kit after that.... Lots of indy's now just charge you extra for the privilege of sitting on the kit. lol -

I'm waiting for a few things to confirm, but I might end up moving to the updated MR spring package for sticker tyres.
Most of the continental guys have moved to it now and it seems to make quite a difference for them.
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when they make Ā£100k on one car sale what's Ā£10k for some kit which will last 20 years' ? plus they cannot change caster anyway. most race teams still use a bit of string :) All OPC have alinement rigs, no need for the hub set up stuff.

You telling me they borrow a race rig from a race team if a car comes in wearing inner tyres and need to change the toe. some thing sounds iffy in this story to me.
 
I know you're asking TDT, but my understanding is that basic geos can of course be done by the OPC's regular equipment.

I think the Manthey fitment fitment procedure/process requires the use of the hub setup stuff - their ball so their rules?
 
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when they make Ā£100k on one car sale what's Ā£10k for some kit which will last 20 years' ? plus they cannot change caster anyway. most race teams still use a bit of string :) All OPC have alinement rigs any way, no need for the hub set up stuff.

You telling me they borrow a race rig from a race team if a car comes in wearing inner tyres and need to change the toe. some thing sounds iffy in this story to me.
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I'm not saying I agree with it. But Manthey requires it as part of the game.

You're also right... if someone needs a change in settings after... what do they do.... well they can't do it because they only know paint by numbers... so then you end up back at an indy... and they may or may not have the kit... (which you don't really need if you know what you're doing) and if they do have it... they will charge you extra for the privilege.

GT4 caster is non-adjustable correct.... but I do have adjustable solid caster pucks from the clubsport.... as does the 4RS.

It's all part of the experience anyway. Lets enjoy
 
true but the hub setup stuff cannot check caster I think, it's worse kit than the OPC already have.
 
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