Turbo GenII Driving Event at Silverstone
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Given only limited time in the car (a taster) I focussed on handling and did not get a chance to properly assess how the car might fare around town sort of thing (something which I can do with my OPC).
Conditions on Wed afternoon "" track damp at first, wet later. Plenty of space and over-taking allowed.
From my limited testing therefore: the Gen II IS appreciably better than Gen I as follows: (my current 997TT Gen I is Tiptronic)
Would I change from a Gen I? Sizeable depreciation might want to be offset with a more notable upgrade especially in light of 991 being not too far off. A 550hp version (rumour) may be what's required... In any case I would consider ceramics, sport chrono, PTV as must have. I also like the bucket seats which are tailored to your body "" with benefit of being quite a bit lighter I don't doubt.
To ride in the Panamera is an experience without which I would not believe such a mass could perform as well as it does. The air suspension helps to transform a car from comfort relaxing mode to a seriously performant armchair.
All-in-all a very helpful experience to understanding the performance of the new 911 Turbo.
Conditions on Wed afternoon "" track damp at first, wet later. Plenty of space and over-taking allowed.
From my limited testing therefore: the Gen II IS appreciably better than Gen I as follows: (my current 997TT Gen I is Tiptronic)
- PDK "" I drove the car under reasonable stress around the circuit in both auto and normal mode "" at no time did I feel the car being in the wrong gear, or suffer the hunting snag which can occur with Tiptronic. The car certainly wants to push on and changes gear frequently, in part this is a result of more gears available versus Tiptronic I suspect and the sympathy with a more free-revving engine. (Despite being very used to gear changes on Tiptronic I still find the PDK buttons clumsy and unintuitive "" I did not get lucky and drive the paddle system).
- PTV "" this works well (an obvious innovation) "" I could feel it operating on tight cornering at speed; in sport mode driver correction was still required if pressed. I also tried this option through the slalom and overall it works best in combination with ceramics (I am further convinced that ceramics are a must have option having driven this combination).
Would I change from a Gen I? Sizeable depreciation might want to be offset with a more notable upgrade especially in light of 991 being not too far off. A 550hp version (rumour) may be what's required... In any case I would consider ceramics, sport chrono, PTV as must have. I also like the bucket seats which are tailored to your body "" with benefit of being quite a bit lighter I don't doubt.
To ride in the Panamera is an experience without which I would not believe such a mass could perform as well as it does. The air suspension helps to transform a car from comfort relaxing mode to a seriously performant armchair.
All-in-all a very helpful experience to understanding the performance of the new 911 Turbo.
Anyone else that has driven the 997.2 Turbo with paddles find a delay in shifting when the new gear engages?
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/997-turbo-forum/545492-its-here-2010-tt-first-impressions.html
I didn't use the paddle shifts much but when I did they seemed pretty immediate to me [8|]
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/997-turbo-forum/545492-its-here-2010-tt-first-impressions.html
I didn't use the paddle shifts much but when I did they seemed pretty immediate to me [8|]
I didn't get to drive one with paddles only buttons but that wouldn't affect the change time! Interested in that thread he says you need to pull the paddle 1000rpm before the rpm you want to change at. I certainly didn't find that on the turbo (or on the C2S for that matter) but the reaction time of the PDK does vary with the particular mode (normal/sport/sport+) that is selected and how you are driving the car. It could be he was driving it in "normal" . Instantaneous, though, it isn't in any mode so, as with any gear change, a degree of planning and anticipation is a good idea
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In the same post he says there is "very noticeable turbo lag". In that case he was definitely driving a different car!
Since writing the above bit I revisited the thread and have seen his later response to questions and comments about the original post which does put a different slant on the original!
]In the same post he says there is "very noticeable turbo lag". In that case he was definitely driving a different car!
Since writing the above bit I revisited the thread and have seen his later response to questions and comments about the original post which does put a different slant on the original!
I've had limited experience of the new PDK Turbo, but used several of the other advanced dsg systems, most notably on the F430 Scuderia.
The software is very profficient and seems to be able to time the gearchange to suit the throttle opening and any over-ride systems (ie sport chrono, manettino, etc). So, under hard acceleration, changes will be fastest. At more modest throttle openings they will be slower but smoother. It's the same when most people drive a conventional manual, we don't rush all our changes.
If that is the case on the PDK Turbo, then I think that's what most users would want and expect.
The software is very profficient and seems to be able to time the gearchange to suit the throttle opening and any over-ride systems (ie sport chrono, manettino, etc). So, under hard acceleration, changes will be fastest. At more modest throttle openings they will be slower but smoother. It's the same when most people drive a conventional manual, we don't rush all our changes.
If that is the case on the PDK Turbo, then I think that's what most users would want and expect.
Monty2
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Hi Gary,
I'm at Silvo on thursday so try not to break it on the 26th, I'm hoping we hang onto this good weather window as don't really want to subject the turbo linkages to the salt/corrosion issue from last year.
Enjoy your day and we will compare notes later.
Paul
I'm at Silvo on thursday so try not to break it on the 26th, I'm hoping we hang onto this good weather window as don't really want to subject the turbo linkages to the salt/corrosion issue from last year.
Enjoy your day and we will compare notes later.
Paul
ORIGINAL: garyw
I'm testing next week [
Will check it out...
garyw
Today I drove my 3 day old GT 3 to Silverstone to test drive the new Turbo so was able to compare the new Gen 2 cars back to back. They are very different in look, character and feel.
My first impressions of the GT 3 are very favourable. It is a real sports car that makes a wonderful noise and demands respect. It has real character and I love the fact I now have another 2,000 revs to play with. I will miss the Torque my Turbo had but I am amazed about how good the ride is in the GT 3. A full report will have to wait until I have done some track days but I think the GT 3 is now a far more practical ownership proposition with lifting gear and a supple ride as well as the sporty features that have always been there.
We all got the opportunity to drive 4 different Turbos with various combinations of brakes and gearboxes. I have never done a launch controlled start before today and the first time you experience it is truly staggering even if you are used to a Turbo. I was impressed with the PDK box which seems to match the DFI engine really well and makes the car very easy to drive fast. For me the difference between the standard brakes and PCCBs was very marked in that the PCCBs have a much stronger initial bite. The noise is a little better than in the Gen 1 but is still positively muted compared to the GT 3 and the GT 3 feels much lighter when you brake from speed (which ofcourse it is). I have no doubt that the Turbo will be a fantastic road car and Porsche have moved the game on another couple of notches.
I thought Porsche did a great job in promoting the car and there wont be many days when I get to drive so many great cars. I am happy with the GT 3 but I could see myself back in a Turbo one day when I have got that track thing out of my system. If I did I would want PDK (paddles) with PCCBs and an aftermarket sports exhaust
Thank you Porsche
My first impressions of the GT 3 are very favourable. It is a real sports car that makes a wonderful noise and demands respect. It has real character and I love the fact I now have another 2,000 revs to play with. I will miss the Torque my Turbo had but I am amazed about how good the ride is in the GT 3. A full report will have to wait until I have done some track days but I think the GT 3 is now a far more practical ownership proposition with lifting gear and a supple ride as well as the sporty features that have always been there.
We all got the opportunity to drive 4 different Turbos with various combinations of brakes and gearboxes. I have never done a launch controlled start before today and the first time you experience it is truly staggering even if you are used to a Turbo. I was impressed with the PDK box which seems to match the DFI engine really well and makes the car very easy to drive fast. For me the difference between the standard brakes and PCCBs was very marked in that the PCCBs have a much stronger initial bite. The noise is a little better than in the Gen 1 but is still positively muted compared to the GT 3 and the GT 3 feels much lighter when you brake from speed (which ofcourse it is). I have no doubt that the Turbo will be a fantastic road car and Porsche have moved the game on another couple of notches.
I thought Porsche did a great job in promoting the car and there wont be many days when I get to drive so many great cars. I am happy with the GT 3 but I could see myself back in a Turbo one day when I have got that track thing out of my system. If I did I would want PDK (paddles) with PCCBs and an aftermarket sports exhaust
Thank you Porsche
garyw
Moderator
Great to catch up with quite a few from here [] always makes it a bit more socialable..
Hospitality today was excellent, light lunch and dry weather(although I don't think we need to thank the centre for the weather)
A Thank you to Silverstone circuit for providing the off road track getting to the centre [&:]
It was my first time driving at the centre and I thought it was a great place, some of the bends were wonderful and you could just get into a lovely flow...[8D]
I thought the new Turbo was a move on, the manual I got to drive left me with nothing, apparently it had the new stability device fitted- which obviously means I wasn't going quick enough to notice it [], thicker wheel was nice, ride as expected - just put it in 3rd and the torque took you round easily.. would I upgrade on that drive? No not at all...
However the PDK car was like a new toy, it felt quicker and more alive, had less lag and almost felt almost naturally aspirated due to it being in the correct gear most of the time... it was caught out at some points and the kick down was as bad as a Tiptronic!! I wasn't really encouraged to drive it in anything but auto which is a shame... the track the time is over all too soon[] I'm also pleased to report no spins on the kick plate..
Section 2 which is the launch control left me gobsmacked.. the thing is so damn quick off the line... It almost shocked me and made my car seem very slow!!
I did get chance to select a gear manually on the one time I had a flappy paddle returning from a launch and Yes there was a delay in sports plus mode where it was holding a higher gear for me...
Would I upgrade a new Turbo with PDK.. Certainly Yes []
somewhat disappointed I never got to have a play more with the paddles but I guess thats where the OPC comes in.... The flappy paddle steering wheel itself was lovely!!
All IMHO
Only other point of the day,was that BobF new GT3 looked and sounded amazing [8D]
garyw
] always makes it a bit more socialable..Hospitality today was excellent, light lunch and dry weather(although I don't think we need to thank the centre for the weather)
A Thank you to Silverstone circuit for providing the off road track getting to the centre [&:]
It was my first time driving at the centre and I thought it was a great place, some of the bends were wonderful and you could just get into a lovely flow...[8D]
I thought the new Turbo was a move on, the manual I got to drive left me with nothing, apparently it had the new stability device fitted- which obviously means I wasn't going quick enough to notice it [
], thicker wheel was nice, ride as expected - just put it in 3rd and the torque took you round easily.. would I upgrade on that drive? No not at all...However the PDK car was like a new toy, it felt quicker and more alive, had less lag and almost felt almost naturally aspirated due to it being in the correct gear most of the time... it was caught out at some points and the kick down was as bad as a Tiptronic!! I wasn't really encouraged to drive it in anything but auto which is a shame... the track the time is over all too soon[
] I'm also pleased to report no spins on the kick plate..Section 2 which is the launch control left me gobsmacked.. the thing is so damn quick off the line... It almost shocked me and made my car seem very slow!!
I did get chance to select a gear manually on the one time I had a flappy paddle returning from a launch and Yes there was a delay in sports plus mode where it was holding a higher gear for me...
Would I upgrade a new Turbo with PDK.. Certainly Yes [
]somewhat disappointed I never got to have a play more with the paddles but I guess thats where the OPC comes in.... The flappy paddle steering wheel itself was lovely!!
All IMHO
Only other point of the day,was that BobF new GT3 looked and sounded amazing [8D]
garyw
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