What do I get for membership?

[n8ony]

Oli

Was this necessary? Are you more qualified to talk about these issues on the forum than anyone else?

Why should members pay for a forum so that you can enjoy it. Put simply, pay up and be part of the club like the majority of us or go and play somewhere else !!!


fine if that is the view of the PCGB membership I'll happily go elsewhere . I wasn't aware you were spokesman for the club's membership. If that is the general consensus then the Club should let us know and I'll leave. Pretty soon you will be the only people left here .

The only self centered and selfish person I can see is you given your comments

its about time this forum put up or shut up. If its members only then say so

Oli

I have to say I feel your attitude stinks. I have inserted below the comments from a new member who attended his first regional meeting last week: -

I just wanted to say a massive thank you to all the members at the R15 Sunday Meet at the Ley Arms today, as Ive said previously its always a daunting task walking into a room full of people you haven't met before and making conversation but we were made to feel most welcome and Emma and I cant wait to join you all again throughout the year.[]

Special thanks to Andy for the introduction to the group and Alan for helping me park the 928 and being the first to say hi and unknowingly helping to settle my nerves. [][][]

Jase & Emma []

Does this sound like a man that thinks his membership fee was wasted? As I said in my post, you reap what you sow, and if you come along to the meetings, attend the events organized by club members that volunteer their time for no reward, you will get far more than your £50 membership out of it.

 

[peanut]

ORIGINAL: sc0tty



If you are a non member, then what gives you the right to complain here?

freedom of speech gives me the right to speak here.

If you or any other PCGB feel that freedom of speech is a priviledge that has to be paid for then I for one would leave now.

If the club has chosen to allow non members access to a world wide public forum they must expect people to voice personal opinions and speak their minds freely within the rules of the forum.

If that freedom to speak is dependant on paying a fee then you know what you can do with the forum.
Your comment is just the sort of selfish bigotry that is guaranteed to light my fuse.[]

 

[TTM]

Come on Nick, your attention is worth more than that.

 

[appletonn]

ORIGINAL: jason

Just a view.[]

I don't go on pistonheads much these days it has become plagued with people talking about the values of 996s and slagging off peoples cars on the classifieds[]

Wasn't actually meaning you Jason...[][][]

Just a***s in general......[]

 

[jdpef356]

What do I get for membership?

I think this should answer your question. I have already submitted this for Region 24 Cambs and Beds next months Porsche Post.

Benefits of MembershipAs members of the PCGB I think we have many benefits. Just to name a few - The monthly magazine - Porsche Centre discounts plus the service clinics. Discounted insurance and other offers from our Independent sponsors. Also on offer are all the various Registers you can join. We have National Events at Great Venues and Track Days. What about a Factory visits or do you need some Technical advice. Want to travel then Tours abroad and even International model events. For those that like the Internet we have a good web site and a no nonsense forum. Sure all of these add up to a great deal but the biggest benefit surely has to be your Region and its Members. In your Region you have the monthly meetings where to come and meet fellow enthusiastic Porsche Club members and display your car. In our Region we have members with cars from the very early air cooled up through the years to the front runners with water and on through to the range currently available at your Porsche Centre. Everyone is welcome. At our monthly meeting we have various guest speakers (not all Porsche related) and a variety of competitions. We also have a News at Ten update that starts at nine. This will bring you up to date with all National and Regional events. We meet at a lovely location in the heart of the country side where you can bring the family to dine by the river. We have our own large Club Room and ample parking. Your Regions committee aim is:- 'To provide a variety of quality events that we think will appeal to all our members and families throughout the year' Above are list of provisional events for Cambridge and Bedford Region 24 for the 2009 season. So why not make full use of what I think is the best deal on offer in the Porsche Club Great Britain - Your Region and its Members. At the start of this new season why not come and join us? We meet on the second Wednesday of every month. We look forward to meeting members old,new and somewhere in between at the Old Ferryboat, Hollywell, near St Ives. Arrive early to secure a prime spot in the dedicated parking area for your pride and joy.

 

[Hilux]

I love all this................superb, the end of a club era methinks. Forum admin/censorship is upped (Gawd knows why) public floggings administered.................

Quoted from my post in another thread...................

Yup, we`d all go to Tipec which would then raise its profile and forum count or PH where there are still real car enthusiasts and not just club members. Club only forums are dull, dull, dull with infighting and willy waving on a big scale. Look at Blatchat nowadays!

I`ve never seen so much angst and insults flying around so proved my point entirely. Pathetic!

Grow up one and all, ITS ENJOYING THE CARS THAT`S IMPORTANT AND WHY WE ARE HERE. We should consider ourselves enthusiasts first, contributers as necessary and members if its that important to you. You either close the club to non members and it WILL wither and die as the hairdryer and polish brigade discuss Maguires clay and how many stone chips they`ve got all day or leave well alone.

To encourage membership PCGB should negotiate with Porsche re consumeables and parts, survey members requirements and remanufacture stock and sell the bl**dy things on this forum (members only) instead of `apparent` discounts newcomers never hear about until mentioned that arent really there (are they) Once you`ve read the mag and bought the mug, hat and umbrella it appears thats it.

Alternatively it should link to parts suppliers with discounts for PCGB members only eg: Perhaps Bert Gear wouldnt be struggling and thinking of packing it in if more people knew about him other than on primarily a poorly attended e-mail based forum. You then end up being able to source all the hard to find bits in one place with the club benefitting from deals with the suppliers and enthusiasts visibly seeing a club thats worth joining that helps keep their running costs down. Thats what other (much much smaller) clubs do!!! Simple really.

Edited to add : Also it should offer good cost effective insurance (with track day cover etc) to members. Simple to arrange I would have thought. Obvious too. Other clubs do and then allow companies a link or advert etc so all benefit.

THATS why people become members (certainly in my experience anyway), tangible benefits that offset the fee and a parts and suppliers base thats easily referred to and not just entry into a world of glossy magazines and fields beside a freshly polished car complete with bra`s and wing mirror protectors zipped on [&o] [&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o] and watching brand new cars in a concours (FFS whats that all about!!!!) Others join the forum simply for the knowledge base (and why not).

 

[poprock]

PCGB is different things to different people, but one of its strengths is that it's not a classic car club, or a modern owners club. It manages to be both.

It's surprising to see how many classic owners have a chip on their shoulder about the "˜modern' side of Porsche ownership.

I've never seen even a whiff of attitude between the two camps at regional events. Does it crop up down south? Or is it just a forum thing?

 

[Hilux]

It's surprising to see how many classic owners have a chip on their shoulder about the "˜modern' side of Porsche ownership.

Never experienced that here, many discussions on here about moving into 911 world if you search. I believe you mean how its viewed is what counts ie: prestige or show or enthusiast? You get that division in any car club, the drivers and the polishers - cest la vie.

 

[Peter Empson]

ORIGINAL: Hilux

To encourage membership PCGB should negotiate with Porsche re consumeables and parts, survey members requirements and remanufacture stock and sell the bl**dy things on this forum (members only) instead of `apparent` discounts newcomers never hear about until mentioned that arent really there (are they) Once you`ve read the mag and bought the mug, hat and umbrella it appears thats it.

Paul, sorry I'm not really sure where you're coming from in the post quoted, if you think the club is just about the magazine and merchandise then I feel you're very mistaken.

I'm a bit pushed for time this morning, but would like to make the following points:

As far as I'm aware no parts need to be remanufactured for 944's, nothing is unobtainable to the best of my knowledge (with the exception of things like fabric). One thing to remember is that because this is an official club any after market parts could be a grey area, have they been approved by Porsche, are they safe? This is no different from any other large club.

Porsche (as has been posted before) do offer discounts. Offering consumables as cheaply as non official suppliers is never likely to happen. Porsche must have substantial overheads and massive stocks compared to someone trading from their own home or similar. I would imagine they have had costs associated with developing and approving parts for their application too, although what that cost would be by now is very debateable.

Cheaper insurance seems to be available, I have just had a good quote and it includes trackday cover. However as with all insurance, a broker may be competitive one day and not the next - it's surely impossible to expect anything else. What I do know if the person I spoke to was knowledgeable and an enthusiast. They will also work with the valuations provided by our register secretary (another benefit).

Bert has long been a supporter of the club and is a technical advisor for for us too(another free benefit). He regularly gets recommended here. His prices are obviously low and so probably can't offer any extra discount. It's a shame he's finding it slow at the moment (as are many businesses) but I hope for all our sakes he keeps going.

I don't think it's fair to pick on the concours people, I admit it does nothing for me either (although it is lovely to see a genuinely factory fresh looking car every now and again) but they've chosen to dedicate their time to enjoying their cars in this manner. They've got involved and want to share and compete. We choose to spend our time messing around, modifiying and tracking our cars. The beauty of a massive club like this is that it should be able to (and in my experience does) accomodate all of us.

 

[peanut]

wish folk would stop blathering on about huge discounted insurance and parts etc. What world do you live in ? A little research makes it obvious to anyone that the insurance discount offered with club membership is no discount at all. If you start with companies that offer comparable insurance cover at hugely inflated prices then 10% of nothing is still nothing!

I can get comparable cover at less than half the cost of any insurer advertised on the club magazine . The point is I own and run a 20 year old classic car (second car) with minimal value in open market terms in rural Somerset . I am not going to be interested in insuring my car at the same rate as a member with a brand new £60,000 + 911 in Greater London am I ?!

As for parts regretably Bert stocks very little of the everyday repair and servicing items needed these days to keep our aging 944's on the road. I have always recommended and used Berlyn but I have to say that finding anything today on his site is such a torturous performance that it is easier to ring Exeter or use ebay etc.

I'm very sorry to hear that Bert is not finding it financially worthwhile at the moment but in times of recession you need to either sink or swim and I think this would be a good time when things are quiet to revamp the website and indexing and list lots more parts with images . The parts don't need to be stocked these days. Maybe conduct a bit of market research on the forum as to what owners would like to see stocked . ? Maybe have a technical section with manuals and technical articles like Clarkes garage and Pelical etc which will bring people to the site .
sorry going off topic a bit here.

 

[pauly]

Are we there yet ? [].

 

[John Sims]

ORIGINAL: peanut

.....freedom of speech gives me the right to speak here.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

The members of Porsche Club GB allow you the opportunity to post here. When you finally accept you have no absolute right to post here (as a non member) you might stop annoying the Members.

You are achieving nothing with your crusade. You can try which ever way you like, you have no absolute right to post on this forum without paying for Membership.

Many have said, although they are not members they still enjoy this forum. Excellent. We enjoy their company and hope it may continue. Unfortunately, with your stupidity Peanut, you are putting every ones enjoyment of this forum at risk.

If you or any other PCGB feel that freedom of speech is a priviledge ....... I for one would leave now.

Cheery ho - Please shut the door on your way out.

 

[ocallen]

I would feel guilty using a club site on a regular basis if the site was provided and funded by the club only for its members and I had no intention of joining the club. I understand that many non members use the forum and contribute lots of good advice and we should be grateful for that. I feel thats it a very good site and PCGB is a first rate club doing an excellent job for its members.

I put in my club membership details when I joined this forum but I come up as a non member, why is that ?

 

[944 LIL]

Oli

You are a bad man [] Cripes there are some real strident views on both sides.

I have just joined - cos I want to go on the Cotswold trip with my son. That said my application still (2 weeks) hasn't been processed so I still can't register! I rang the office and was pleased to get my membership number - which ends 44 !!

I'm working on the principle its a punt - and in the scheme of things isn't that much.... if I don't think I'm getting value I won't renew....

We should do another London meet soon....

 

[peanut]

ORIGINAL: John Sims

ORIGINAL: peanut

.....freedom of speech gives me the right to speak here.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

The members of Porsche Club GB allow you the opportunity to post here. When you finally accept you have no absolute right to post here (as a non member) you might stop annoying the Members.

You are achieving nothing with your crusade. You can try which ever way you like, you have no absolute right to post on this forum without paying for Membership.

Many have said, although they are not members they still enjoy this forum. Excellent. We enjoy their company and hope it may continue. Unfortunately, with your stupidity Peanut, you are putting every ones enjoyment of this forum at risk.

If you or any other PCGB feel that freedom of speech is a priviledge ....... I for one would leave now.

Cheery ho - Please shut the door on your way out.

I never said I had a right to post on here John that is something that you have made up to augment your selfish attitude to this subject. I challenge you to find that comment you are accusing me of !

I said I had a right to freedom of speech in the UK if you wish to challenge that be my guest .

 

[John Sims]

ORIGINAL: peanut

I never said I had a right to post on here John ...... I challenge you to find that comment you are accusing me of !

See post #67 above. You are just being silly now.

 

[Mark_Bennett]

ORIGINAL: peanut

ORIGINAL: John Sims

ORIGINAL: peanut

.....freedom of speech gives me the right to speak here.

I never said I had a right to post on here John that is something that you have made up to augment your selfish attitude to this subject. I challenge you to find that comment you are accusing me of !

I said I had a right to freedom of speech in the UK if you wish to challenge that be my guest .

Actually, you say it in post 67 of this very thread HERE

I took it the same way as John.
Come on be fair - If you meant "in the UK", that is not what you said.

 

[944 LIL]

ORIGINAL: sc0tty

Give us a break peanut, lets just put this post to bed, it's not achieving anything other than you non members trying to wind up the paid up members and enthusiasts.

sc0tty - you're not really going to achieve the "put the post to bed" objective if you end your post with the Halfords type dig at the end. Not particularly edifying...

 

[TTM]

ORIGINAL: sc0tty
And for all you non members, as has been said time and time again, you are guests on this forum, so I would keep quiet if I were you.

Finally, something you non members would not have been interested in, I have spent all morning at the opening of the brand new official porsche sevice centre in Byfleet.With fantastic hospitality, superb complimentary food and drinks, including beer and wine, and a fantastic collection of people and cars, some real classics too, including a 924 CGT, 356s' original 73' carrera RS, carrera 3.2 club sport, 964, 993 RSs', 997 carrera cup race cars etc.

I don't think anyone present there today would have shared the narrow minded views of the non member freeloaders. Maybe you could arrange a non members meeting in the car park of your local halfords? and don't forget to bring your max power and NUTS magazines..

This is typically the kind of post I would enjoy reading a reply from Fen []

 

[zcacogp]

ORIGINAL: n8ony

Oli

Was this necessary? Are you more qualified to talk about these issues on the forum than anyone else?

Edited to remove misquote

I have to say I feel your attitude stinks. I have inserted below the comments from a new member who attended his first regional meeting last week: -

[quote removed to save space]

Tony,

You are welcome to your opinion of me, but I will thank you NOT to misquote what I say here, or anywhere else on this forum.

I sincerely hope that what you did was an honest mistake. Taking others' words and putting them in my mouth is not acceptable on any forum, ever, from anyone - member or non member.

I happen to be on holiday at the moment, and told myself that I would do no more than read this forum until I returned on Wednesday. However I am not willing to allow a very clear misconstruction of what I said to remain on public view until then.


Oli.